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Craig Digsby
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CST is one hour behind EST. It would be 4-7.
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Lithp wrote:
me wrote:
"How did the characters manage to drop the camera just so it would frame a scene perfectly, especially when those legs started kicking?"


Oddly enough, I actually thought that they were pretty believable in this regard.


Actually, I think they are too. Even the few that were really stretches were more than possible, and as many times as it's been done, it's been effective (especially Entry #62 and then again in Entry #86 when Tim finishes off Alex). I just love that this has become an element of Troy Wagner's signature. Sorta like the round or spinning objects in many of the Coen Brothers' films (especially Barton Fink).

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Lithp wrote:
Oh, yes, I knew I was forgetting something.

"Do the characters have some kind of control over the teleportation?"


I don't know that they'd answer this one, but doesn't Entry #86 at least show that Alex likely has some control over it?

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Lithp
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Craig Digsby wrote:
CST is one hour behind EST. It would be 4-7.
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Even better.

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Actually, I think they are too. Even the few that were really stretches were more than possible, and as many times as it's been done, it's been effective (especially Entry #62 and then again in Entry #86 when Tim finishes off Alex). I just love that this has become an element of Troy Wagner's signature. Sorta like the round or spinning objects in many of the Coen Brothers' films (especially Barton Fink).


What helps is that it doesn't really perfectly frame the shot. For example, we don't actually see Tim finish Alex off from a "professional" angle, we just see their feet. Of course, in reality, it would probably wind up pointing in totally the wrong direction, but it still feels like an accidental shot.

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I don't know that they'd answer this one, but doesn't Entry #86 at least show that Alex likely has some control over it?


But Tim seems to be teleported to safety at times. Which makes me think that they all have some degree of control over it. But they've also said that their concept for Hoody's death was basically that they were teleported to somewhere where he would end up being killed.

Though that begs the question of why The Operator wouldn't just kill him itself. Call that another question to add to the list.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Oh, yes, I knew I was forgetting something.

"Do the characters have some kind of control over the teleportation?"


I don't know that they'd answer this one, but doesn't Entry #86 at least show that Alex likely has some control over it?


Alex only had control of it because the Operator had control over him at that point. The way Alex was talking to Tim while showing him Brian's corpse.... that wasn't Alex talking there.

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There are really 3 potential types of teleportation:

- The geography of reality is shifting, as in, Tim goes through those hospital doors and ends up in his house, because he's in some other dimension where that actually leads to there. This example is the best because the different message on the mirror and Jay being there and then not being there suggest some other dimension of some sort. Also, Jay shifting through the forest, or Brian's abandoned house.

- The Operator telporting people forcefully. Technically every instance of telelportation can be explained this way. It's likely this at least kind of exist regardless, looking at 44, and parts of 65 where the Operator is literally dragging Tim on the ground.

- Characters stalked by the Operator teleporting by themselves due to exposure. The Operator himself teleports frequently, but examples such as Alex showing Tim where Brian was, or even Tim with Jay in 19 suggest this with others too. Hoody in 83 is ambiguous in this regard.

Also, teleportation itself is a vague concept in the series. At first, we saw the Operator seemingly be in one place too fast considering his previous location, but some theorized he was just very very fast, or there were evn many of him. Stuff like Tim and Jay in 19, or the Operator and Alex in 44 are more explicit, but could be explained by the distortion obscuring what actually happened.

Entries like 23 and 24 make it more obvious, but the characters do seem to forget about this later on. Teleportation is alluded to a bit in Season 3. Hoody just "Disappears" in 66, completely dumbfounding Tim. They assume a more mundane answer like that he hid in the woods, but 83 suggest something different to me. 65 obviously was very explicit, but that seemed more like the Operator teleporting Tim than the characters doing it.

The characters themselves teleporting is a big important thing in 83 and 86, which are integral to the ending, and Jay's shock that he's shifted around Rosswood in 82 build up to this. This plot structure matches Season 1; towards the end, shit just starts to hit the fan, and the characters start teleporting, something only alluded to earlier in the season by sudden appearances/disappearances.

I don't know why I wrote this most people probably already knew this, oh well *post*
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So reporting on here interesting tidbits that I see because why the Hell not?

>The thing that's going to air on the Marble Hornets series is likely going to be their next horror series, even though it's original & not a sequel.

>They toyed with the option of having Jay survive.

>Few of their scripts were set in stone.

>They have apparently now decided that they're not going to reveal how they did The Operator.

>Q: What happened to Seth, Amy, & Sarah? A: Alex was a bad man. So their fates were evidently not meant to be ambiguous.

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Lithp wrote:
>They have apparently now decided that they're not going to reveal how they did The Operator.

>Q: What happened to Seth, Amy, & Sarah? A: Alex was a bad man. So their fates were evidently not meant to be ambiguous.


Terribly anticlimatic on both fronts.

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>Skully was a plot point that never got embellished. A missed opportunity. Sad

well there's that

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TheOperator wrote:
Lithp wrote:
>They have apparently now decided that they're not going to reveal how they did The Operator.

>Q: What happened to Seth, Amy, & Sarah? A: Alex was a bad man. So their fates were evidently not meant to be ambiguous.


Terribly anticlimatic on both fronts.


The 1st I'm mad about because I remember them saying otherwise previously.

The 2nd I SOMEWHAT understand their reasoning for, "We needed a plot reason for the person to be on camera." The problem is that this didn't really stop them any other time.

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Why are they planning and posting their next series to the Marble Hornets channel? If it is an original, unrelated series, it'd be logical to give it its own channel, unless they're posting it there to give it easy, quick exposure.
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Lithp
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Answered your own question (they said in the AMA that it's the easiest way to keep their fans up-to-date with it). Other stuff:

They may watch the other series more often now that they're done with theirs, if that interests anyone.

The Operator attaches to multiple people at a time & its affects are more pronounced on some people than others. This is implied to be how enttry 37 is possible, because that's mentioned in the question that Troy is responding to.

"Someone" was going to take over for Jay ever since this ending was planned back in S2. Tim was decided upon later.

Totheark is just "very good at spying on people."

They got sick of the abandoned hospital too.

"The Entry #83/#84 combo was exactly how we had wanted to do it pretty much since his first appearance. We liked the juxtaposition of showing a lighthearted moment right after the audience Entry #83 We wanted it to have a bittersweet feeling."

"Whatever happens offscreen is up to interpretation, but I think it can be inferred that Tim was a little more...in control of his condition [than Brian]. To an extent anyway."

"See #2 but I like to imagine that maybe he snuck into a public library or something. Or maybe he stole some film student's id and snuck into their editing lab that way? Mine still works and I graduated in December." How Hoody edited despite being a hobo, apparently.

"No two people are alike, therefore no two reactions are exactly alike. Although please remember that the concept of a "proxy" came from elsewhere and is not a term we have ever used." This appears to be a catch-all to all Operator Shenanigans.

"We all wore that costume as some point. We wanted the body shape to never have a definite look to it, so people wouldn't be able to easily pinpoint who it was."

Trololol.

Oh, hey, Troy answered the Slender questions that I posted:

"I don't think I'm able to specifically say what we gave them and they didn't use. They ended up not putting in probably 80% of what we gave them, which was a bit frustrating but was absolutely their call.

All I can really say about Blue Isle is that they're, in my opinion, misguided with what they consider makes a good game. Their business practices can also be pretty shady, from what I have heard."

Amy moved across country after S1. They had trouble with everyone in the cast except for themselves & Brian, & had to do a fair bit of rewriting because of it.

If Troy could change anything, he would tighten up the pacing of S2, which he feels was too meandering.

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Luno
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Lithp wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Lithp wrote:
>They have apparently now decided that they're not going to reveal how they did The Operator.

>Q: What happened to Seth, Amy, & Sarah? A: Alex was a bad man. So their fates were evidently not meant to be ambiguous.


Terribly anticlimatic on both fronts.


The 1st I'm mad about because I remember them saying otherwise previously.


I don't know if this helps at all, but
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
In a panel at a con last year, Troy accidentally revealed that Joseph has played the Operator in at least one entry. They were talking about getting injured while filming, and Troy mentioned that when they were in the maintenance tunnel at the hospital, Joseph hit his head in a light while chasing Troy for a scene. I can't remember which entry it is (probably one of the 50s) but the only character that chases Jay in the maintenance tunnel is the Operator. So make of that what you will.

Sorry, no links to back me up right now as I'm on my mobile. I'll have an internet connection again on Sunday, so I'll try and find the video then.


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"We all wore that costume as some point. We wanted the body shape to never have a definite look to it, so people wouldn't be able to easily pinpoint who it was."

"so people wouldn't be able to easily pinpoint who it was."

Words fail me. I mean I've gone on about how obvious Brian was before but the fact that Troy was actually completely oblivious to everybody knowing it was the only candidate with a matching body type who had more than a few seconds of facetime, with years to speculate on it... seriously?

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Lithp
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I have to be honest, Troy doesn't seem terribly genre savvy. Not JAY bad, but still pretty bad.

Moar shit:

Both Troy & Tim insist that there are answers in the imagery, they just aren't always obvious. They say they do have a definitive interpretation.

They did want to have the shots of forest walking to establish "a sense of place," but they admit that they used too much, & this is what they want to cut out of S2. Say they hadn't developed a sense of balance yet.


" Tim and Brian met in college.
Alex and Brian were in the same video classes.
Jay and Alex met in a similar way. They weren't really friends, more acquaintances.
Without saying too much, Hoody saw himself as the catalyst to end things."

Joseph sayeth:

"I actually made an account [on Unfiction] once to specifically disprove some bullshit someone was posting (I think someone was impersonating us and people believed it) and it was beyond stupid how hard it was to convince the forums that I was really me. Even after posting a confirmation tweet/facebook update, people were still skeptical. I haven't been back since.

The MH movie will be in the same universe as the web series but will not be directly tied to it so specific answers about the webseries are not going to be there.

Hoody wanted everything to end as well. His methods and pathos would be hard to pin down as there is no telling what his state of mind would be at that point. We never see him outside of that "Hoody" persona except in flashbacks so it is possible that that is just who he is now."

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Well, now that that's over, my overall impression is that there were some interesting things said, but almost none of them had to do with Marble Hornets.

I updated my list by crossing out questions that were more-or-less answered, but even giving them the benefit of the doubt, less than half of those points were even touched. Of those that were, the answers were often underwhelming or even half-finished.

No, this is not a case in point about how "answers will ultimately be unsatisfying." If Hoody hadn't been hyped to all Hell, for instance, "he's crazy" would be more acceptable. It worked with Alex, for the most part.

That said, yes, those answers are going to be unsatisfying if there's so much build up just to find out that "he was crazy all along" or "The Operator's effects vary because reasons." I stand by previous assertions that I've made, such that longer series need deeper plots & that they need to work on narrative focus.

This may be something they are aware of, considering they said that their pacing was off. Then again, they also said that they "answered questions, but weren't super specific," so maybe not. I'm still not convinced that I should spend a ton of time trying to find these hidden answers, or that I would come out with anything more than arbitrary speculation.

The rather large amounts of aborted plot arcs definitely aren't good. I'm more split on the fact that they did a lot of last minute rewriting. I'm not against that as long as it leads to better results, but it's kind of hard to tell if that saved the series from disasters like actors up & disappearing, or if it's the reason that a lot of this seems so last minute.

End result, we got a few more answers, so I'm mildly impressed, but still considerably wary & not about to go singing praises from the rooftops, or anything.

With that said, it's cool that they even stopped by & I'm sure it wasn't easy to try to answer all of those questions. Even trying to Ctrl+F for their answers got pretty cumbersome after a while. It was fun.

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