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A word of caution
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Ad_Arcana_Tutanda
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A word of caution

First and foremost, I want to apologize for dropping off the face of the earth regarding this whole situation.

I've corresponded with a few of you outside of uF but I should have participated more recently and shared what I know. I haven't exactly stayed away because I wanted to, trust me. At the risk of sounding cliche, I feel that I have dug way too deep into this, and it has bitten me back pretty hard with IRL consequences. The specifics of that I can't go into just now. Frankly, I'm not comfortable discussing them on uF or via any online platform.

For those of you who don't know, I stumbled upon JJ in 2009 by complete accident, doing my job for the US military intelligence community while deployed overseas. I corresponded with many of you here regarding the analysis of what we all then assumed (very justifiably) to be an ARG. Besides the incident with the DPRK official's cell phone and the occasional flirtation with more unsavory characters in the caucasus, I never became uncomfortable with anything we encountered back then. Fast forward to 2010 and 2011 when the Facebook pages started to morph more into more activist organizations, my opinions began to change. The more I looked into the agenda and eventually the backgrounds of some of these people both IG and OOG, the more things started to look� well, bad. Not silly haha bad, but serious bad, like their messaging was orchestrated with malign intent and definitely not coming from the US.

I stumbled upon JJ by accident as I said. My role in INSCOM back then was analyzing PMCs (private military corporations), specifically how different countries utilize them in order to further agendas in parts of the world incongruous with their nations' official strategic agendas. This potentially gives what is called "plausible deniability" for covert actions. My colleagues and I determined pretty quickly that JJ was a game though but some of us stuck around to play on our off duty hours.

There's a lot I get about the "game" side of JJ. There's also an equal amount that I DON'T understand in the slightest. How things just suddenly dropped off without any causation. How every now and again without notice something JJ related will show up. Not stuff we may have missed, but new stuff without much else to substantiate it. I'll be the first to admit that I am biased during analysis even though it's my job. Occam's Razor is any analytically minded person's best friend. But unless you truly know the nature of what you're dealing with it can also be your enemy. This is exactly why I feel that I am still at such a loss as to what this whole situation really entails. What has been bugging me for all this time is what in the world is the desired endstate? This has been going on for half a decade, with some serious lulls in activity here on uF. But nonetheless, there is activity whether people pay attention to it or not. The Chileans are still fanatic about their Junsui. And more and more the sites have taken on a subversive voice championing revolutionary or anti-establishment politics. But why?

I really don't want to get too deep into this as I feel it is not in the interest of myself or anybody else here; however, remember when there was the whole controversy which got a lot of people here on uF upset about merging IG/OOG? Well the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than that. I went down a ways, and it has had lasting ramifications even five years later. I have strong reasons to believe that some of the participants back in 2009 (including major, long time contributors) here on uF were phony accounts being used to sew conflict while somebody watched. As stated, I don't know what the PM's endgame was, but I'm sure now that I don't want to be a part of it.

One of the things I wanted to make abundantly clear in this post to every single one of you:

Alfa-Tsentr is indeed an ACTUAL PMC recognized today by my colleagues in the US intelligence community, one that operates within Russia and works to further Russian state ambitions.

The phone numbers associated with them are REAL. So like with the North Korean official back in 2009, calling them is probably the least smart thing you could do. At the very least, you risk wrapping a mile of bureaucratic red tape around yourself, as well as earning lifetime observation of your digital footprint. In reply to a posting that was made here not long ago, it is not uncommon practice for military/government groups to utilize servers (or offices) here in the USA for the purpose of appearing legitimate. In fact that is exactly what the Soviets did throughout the entire Cold War with their intelligence officers here in the US. Today the ideology is different but the methods are much the same. Hell, many today don't even bother to create a cover which is why you see RT (the Kremlin's English language propaganda outlet) able to just set up offices in Manhattan. Interesting how that exampled news organization employs tactics very similar to JJ.

I can't go too in depth because, again, I have my reasons. But something else people here need to know about Alfa-Tsentr is that they have been a heavy handed partner/asset in the Russian annexation of Crimea and subsequent "separatist" seccessions in Ukraine. In light of recent events and the continuous information war waged by the Kremlin regarding them, you might start to get what really worries me here. I don't want to be a guinea pig for their experiments. To be sure, the so called PM and many of the main participants on this forum were sockpuppets. I am absolutely sure of this and so I take back any previous endorsement I ever gave of JJ. The people I thought I was in contact with all ended up being faker than three-dollar bills.

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:41 pm

Vercingetorix_Gergovia
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Joined: 17 Jun 2014
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Location: Gergovie, France

Re: A word of caution

Ad_Arcana_Tutanda wrote:

The phone numbers associated with them are REAL. So like with the North Korean official back in 2009, calling them is probably the least smart thing you could do. At the very least, you risk wrapping a mile of bureaucratic red tape around yourself, as well as earning lifetime observation of your digital footprint.

I admit to calling a couple of these numbers using VOIP some weeks ago. Sounded like native Russian speakers (female and male) but then I do not know the language besides from many hours of Soviet cinema. They both answered the phone with name of this "PMC" Alfa Center.

I spoke English to one but either she did not understand me or did not like to speak it with me. I ask her if she knows English or French or if anyone else thee did. She said to call back but I never intended this. I only meant to confirm the number as authentic.

Ad_Arcana_Tutanda, can you tell us anything more about Alfa Center involvement in the current situation of Eastern Ukraine?

Are they part of the "Little Green Men"?

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:18 am

kadomony
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Joined: 29 Aug 2009
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If we, as a group, ever came forward about our knowledge of some aspects of this, would we be believed? Or would the IG aspects totally blow our credibility? Not saying it's a good idea AT ALL but hypothetically speaking.

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:56 am

Vercingetorix_Gergovia
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Joined: 17 Jun 2014
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Location: Gergovie, France

kadomony wrote:

What do you mean by "come forward"? Shocked

There are so many preposterous theories floating around in the media right now after the Malaysian flight crash that I am not sure what to believe myself.

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:27 pm

kadomony
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Joined: 29 Aug 2009
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Vercingetorix_Gergovia wrote:

What do you mean by "come forward"? Shocked

well let's say for instance there is a group seeking to legitimately overthrow the russian government. they create an ARG to not only divert suspicion of real activity, but also to garner unwitting support for their cause, as well as create a ton of false leads to anyone trying to investigate the source.

is it coincidence these accounts are starting up again as the ukraine/russia and israel/palestine conflicts flare up, or are there real actions happening behind the scenes? is it both?

we know "players" in the Junsui world have ties to various activist groups that have, in real life, been active in these conflicts. where the confusion lies is, again, where is the line between IG and OOG? and if we don't know, how do we avoid crossing it (if we haven't already)?

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:11 pm

Soda Popinski
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Joined: 24 Jun 2014
Posts: 10

Definitely coming from the west. Your governments or oil companies. Nobody has so much interest in removing Putin. Confused

Have you seen this???

https://www.facebook.com/anonpics666

Anonymous wrote:

Greetings Anonymous Legion Worldwide!

We are Las SGG, fellow Anon activists from Chile and Venezuela.

In less than 48 hours we will launch an unprecedented operation, both in terms of its technological use and potential viral growth.

In #OpFacebookPR we will disrupt the Facebook PR pages of the USA's top 500 corporations in spectacular fashion.

The tool we will use is an easily installed extension for Google Chrome browser.

The psychedelic degradation of the web page is dynamic and changes every time it is used. All a user must do is comment on one of the target pages and it triggers.

It is true that the extension must be active for the spectacle to be seen, however it is a very powerful way to attract large volumes of REAL comments to these PR pages.

(Imagine the disruption when 100,000+ comments appear on the page of Bank of America in one day!)

Think of it as a mass hallucination that we all choose to see, rather than the cynical lies and safely controlled narratives these corporations want us to consume.

This is just a first demonstration of what it possible when we create a "visible darknet". Where we will go after this largely depends upon what the Hive Mind dreams.

This is about taking back the Internet from the corporations, about giving choice and freedom of expression to everybody again (not to just a few billionaires).

Question everything but believe in yourselves. We hope you will join us as equals.

Watch @WikiLeaksSGG or https://www.facebook.com/LasSGG for an update soon!

Somos Anonymous. Somos Legi�n.

No perdonamos.
No olvidamos.
�Esp�ranos!

At the end definitely Junsui symbology (03:25).

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:14 pm

kadomony
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Joined: 29 Aug 2009
Posts: 224

Quote:

We are Las SGG, fellow Anon activists from Chile and Venezuela.

https://www.facebook.com/LasSGG

We know these places have huge support for Junsui. Before the first part of the ARG started dying off; when Vera, Raimonda, and others started posting Anonymous-related things, almost all contact was with Chileans and they really garnered a lot of support there. I think this could be another "arm" of the operation.

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:37 am

kadomony
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Joined: 29 Aug 2009
Posts: 224

Just found a couple links via comments on this page:
http://forums.toucharcade.com/showthread.php?s=1102afab98863dc95147d3e501f88f97&t=237885

http://circasvoices.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-gwaschemasche-hoax-cult-of.html

http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/black-widows-chechen-republic-general-terminology

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1023320/pg1

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:00 pm

adolgonosov
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Joined: 06 Sep 2009
Posts: 197
Location: SF Bay Area

kadomony wrote:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1023320/pg1

Wow, this is a magnificent find kadomony:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1023320/pg1#pid18191774

Look at who that post is by. That's our Kalila.

ALoveSupreme wrote:

This would be shocking were it not for the events of these past few months.

Having read through this thread and the WikiLeaks article, I can personally confirm the existence of Alfa-Tsentr (aka 'ChOP Tsentr-Alfa').

Alfa-Tsentr was one of the first 'Russian Blackwater' type companies in Russia, founded by retired "Alfa-Group" spetsnaz. Although they have yet to enter the global market and work on behalf of other governments, they have been here in Dubai protecting Russian and Emirati private interests since around 2007.

My personal sources corroborate reports that Alfa-Tsentr spetsnaz played a security and advisory role in the annexation of Crimea�

www.chop-alfa.ru...

Also, I have good reason to believe that they took a part in the numerous seizures of public buildings by supposedly home grown 'self-defense' militias in southeastern Ukraine.

I already told about the pro-Russian fighter 'Ilovaisky' interviewed by the BBC who went by name of 'Yuri Tretiak' in Dubai. Well there are more of them...

Remember the Kuban Cossack, Alexander ('Babay') Mozhaev first interviewed by Simon Ostrovsky?

http://youtu.be/emW7dtnCHko

Before he had a beard, Alexander was the head of 'VIP security' and personal body guard to Gafur Rakhimov at the Burj Al Arab hotel. When I left the hotel in 2010, he was a full-time salaried employee of Alfa-Tsentr.

Also the Cossack's collaborator, Alexander Boroday -- the self-appointed prime minister of the Donetsk People's Republic who just held court over the Malaysian plane debacle -- he formerly worked out of Alfa-Tsentr's Moscow office as a political analyst and public relations consultant.

With all the disinformation about, it is very difficult to tell exactly who is pulling the strings. But I believe that Alfa-Tsentr (as well as Razman Kadyrov's paramilitary force) provide a convenient proxy for the Kremlin so they can keep denying their actions in Ukraine. However, I never thought their spy technology reach was so advanced as that of the States.

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:20 am

Sevren
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Joined: 01 Sep 2009
Posts: 139
Location: Spain

Ad_Arcana_Tutanda has always proved to be an inteligent man, fundamental at solving many of the riddles we found. I respect his judgement and understand his motives, yet I'm sure we will miss his collaboration.

In my humble oppion, I am almost sure (always that healthy 1% of doubt) that this is just an ARG, but an ARG that happens to have created such a good background and network infraestructure that it's been taken over during the last years by anti-system people, people who didn't really join the ARG back then.

Me, personally, I'm taking every bit of information as real because it helps me focus and follow realistic paths, but that's all. In the end I believe it's all an ilusion created with a yet-to-discover purpose.

My bet? I'm quite lost in the purpose of the ARG. I work in human resources, I have developed and used different techniques and situations to evaluate specific behaviours. We all know the tale of the hacker that get's hired by the NSA after raiding their files. I don't think this is a recruitmen process, but maybe a labeling process. Meaning, everyone with "skills" for this kind of thing will be labeled and followed through these networks, maybe for future needs.

With all that said, I'm still "in the game" if anyone needs me.

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:40 am

Soda Popinski
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Joined: 24 Jun 2014
Posts: 10

I seriously doubt Ad_Arcana_Tutanda let them use his name for the communications to players on the app. They are just trying to divide people again by making mistrust. It is all very transparent.

This whole scheme seems obviously American in origin--scare everybody about big bad Russia just as USA and the EU are a giving green light for Ukraine to fire ballistic missiles Confused

I did not install the ALFA-CIPHER extension even though Google Chrome seems to have cleared it on their store. But I still had to reinstall my Windows yesterday after my laptop started behaving weirdly. It was periodically displaying a black screen (like screen saver) which had audio of a female voice. This was NOT on my browser but just while I had my Microsoft Office open. My nephew claims it must have been from one of the sites we have looked at. An anti virus scan found no known virus but I reinstalled just to be safe. This is what I would truly consider a provocation without meaning.

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:43 am

necromancer
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Joined: 08 Jan 2008
Posts: 13

Soda Popinski wrote:

I seriously doubt Ad_Arcana_Tutanda let them use his name for the communications to players on the app. They are just trying to divide people again by making mistrust. It is all very transparent.

I really like this aspect of it all...from the get-go the masters were targeting people in the ARG community, people from here, and calling them out by name as if they were part of the game. It causes a vibe where you don't really know if the person you're speaking to is a player in the game or part of the game itself. I've never seen any other one do that, and it's really remarkable.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:53 pm

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