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knifebladepresents
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That was....pretty awful.


Dunno, it kept me anxious throughout. The whole concept and execution was creepy and well-played...although Vinny's acting wasn't the best. He might be a little out-of-touch of his character, since he hasn't played him for awhile.

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 		Was that Jeff's voice saying "Yo" at the end there?

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That was....pretty awful.


Dunno, it kept me anxious throughout. The whole concept and execution was creepy and well-played...although Vinny's acting wasn't the best. He might be a little out-of-touch of his character, since he hasn't played him for awhile.


really? I don't think so. I know what they were trying to do with the video. And the ending would have been excellent if there was any feeling of tension or impending doom. But I really felt like I was just watching a video of Vinny eating crap in a room for 11 or so minutes. But there was so buildup, if they really wanted to do a tense countdown I would have suggested doing a livestream with a timer and cutting the stream the moment the door opened. Like the November 11th stream by TribeTwelve. We weren't given any real reason to fear the timer. I don't think the problem lies with Vinny's acting or his connection with the character. I think the problem lies solely in the writing. C'mon, there was a window he could have broken for christ sake. EMH is my favourite Slenderseries but it's really going off the reservation.

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Was that Jeff's voice saying "Yo" at the end there?


That was Vinny saying "here we go."

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really? I don't think so. I know what they were trying to do with the video. And the ending would have been excellent if there was any feeling of tension or impending doom. But I really felt like I was just watching a video of Vinny eating crap in a room for 11 or so minutes. But there was so buildup, if they really wanted to do a tense countdown I would have suggested doing a livestream with a timer and cutting the stream the moment the door opened. Like the November 11th stream by TribeTwelve. We weren't given any real reason to fear the timer. I don't think the problem lies with Vinny's acting or his connection with the character. I think the problem lies solely in the writing. C'mon, there was a window he could have broken for christ sake. EMH is my favourite Slenderseries but it's really going off the reservation.


Okay, I did think about the window too. Even if it was a two-story jump, he probably could've made it. Then again, HABIT would probably do the teleport-thing like in the Property. In fact, throughout the entire series he could've broken ANY window. Either the EMH crew didn't think about this (they usually think of the details), or there's an actual reason. Or maybe HABIT's protected the windows. Still, I agree that it should've been touched upon.

As for the suspense, the timer idea worked perfectly for me. I instantly knew it had to be one of HABIT's awful, nasty ways of prolonging Vinny's death. All you could do is watch Vinny wait and prepare.

Honestly, it depends on how you interpret the timer. For some, it's a death countdown to the unknown, for others, it's just a timer. Who knows, HABIT might've been baking cookies Razz

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really? I don't think so. I know what they were trying to do with the video. And the ending would have been excellent if there was any feeling of tension or impending doom. But I really felt like I was just watching a video of Vinny eating crap in a room for 11 or so minutes. But there was so buildup, if they really wanted to do a tense countdown I would have suggested doing a livestream with a timer and cutting the stream the moment the door opened. Like the November 11th stream by TribeTwelve. We weren't given any real reason to fear the timer. I don't think the problem lies with Vinny's acting or his connection with the character. I think the problem lies solely in the writing. C'mon, there was a window he could have broken for christ sake. EMH is my favourite Slenderseries but it's really going off the reservation.


Can't agree with you that this was "awful," though
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I think the Sopranos-style cliffhanger, even if it's not The End of the series, should be pretty much avoided (worked there, not here). The cut to black was lame and deflated the entire episode for me. He could have been watching the timer, thinking, ruminating, giving his monologue, and then heard the door open but not turned toward it until the camera cut out after he said "Here we go"
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I do have to agree with you here, Cyan507--a livestream or other real-time event (even if the time telescoped so that "real time" in our eleven minutes would have equaled about eighteen or twenty-two IG minutes would have amped up the urgency. Vinny also
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found the gun way too early--this shoulda been a puzzle with time quickly running out, and Vinny should have found the gun and loaded the clip with minutes to spare--there still woulda been time for the apologetic good-bye
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Nothing wrong with Vinnie's acting here. I personally think he's the weakest actor of the three, but he's still pretty good, and he plays an average guy thrown into a not-so-average situation pretty well.

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really? I don't think so. I know what they were trying to do with the video. And the ending would have been excellent if there was any feeling of tension or impending doom. But I really felt like I was just watching a video of Vinny eating crap in a room for 11 or so minutes. But there was so buildup, if they really wanted to do a tense countdown I would have suggested doing a livestream with a timer and cutting the stream the moment the door opened. Like the November 11th stream by TribeTwelve. We weren't given any real reason to fear the timer. I don't think the problem lies with Vinny's acting or his connection with the character. I think the problem lies solely in the writing. C'mon, there was a window he could have broken for christ sake. EMH is my favourite Slenderseries but it's really going off the reservation.


Okay, I did think about the window too. Even if it was a two-story jump, he probably could've made it. Then again, HABIT would probably do the teleport-thing like in the Property. In fact, throughout the entire series he could've broken ANY window. Either the EMH crew didn't think about this (they usually think of the details), or there's an actual reason. Or maybe HABIT's protected the windows. Still, I agree that it should've been touched upon.

As for the suspense, the timer idea worked perfectly for me. I instantly knew it had to be one of HABIT's awful, nasty ways of prolonging Vinny's death. All you could do is watch Vinny wait and prepare.

Honestly, it depends on how you interpret the timer. For some, it's a death countdown to the unknown, for others, it's just a timer. Who knows, HABIT might've been baking cookies Razz


I thought about the window too, and you make a good point--but Vinnie could have at least mentally thought out loud, "Window... but there's been fuckin' teleporting, I can't trust that shit."

I wonder how many maple bacon cookies HABIT could cook up in twenty-four hours.

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Nothing wrong with Vinnie's acting here. I personally think he's the weakest actor of the three, but he's still pretty good, and he plays an average guy thrown into a not-so-average situation pretty well.


I'd agree. No offense to the man (it's a little weird because he might be reading these posts), but his character always came across as "the normal guy" to me. He worked much better when he was in a group of people that weren't dead/possessed.

Still, I loved the ending and buildup. For a moment, I thought the writing (especially when he referred to "friends") could've been a message from Firebrand, mainly because they have similar handwriting styles. Then I realized they just had a crossover...

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 		Okay. Let's talk handwriting.

Have we seen that handwriting before?

Or at least that signature face thing? I know Habs like to mess around, but this just doesn't seem his style. Is it the Rake? The Thousand Mile Stare?

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Yeah but Sirens and Twigs are both so good I can't hate them.

I'll be honest when that came out though I was disappointed that they had nothing to offer for EMH.


I'm not saying I hate Sirens (while I do find it poor) but it was disappointing. I've been really patient with TT and EMH but the most recent EMH videos haven't been giving me huge inceptive to keep tuned which is sad. On the other hand TT has been keeping a relatively high standard so I can understand why Adam is taking his time, he needs to maintain that standard and/or surpass it. I'm talking about TT so much because the latest videos are so heavily involved with EMH it isn't exactly out of place.

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I think the THAC guys might be able to maintain a somewhat more consistent schedule for their new series if only because they seem to be serious about going semi-professional with this - plus having got MH under their belts, they can sit down and plan out the new series taking into account all the experience they've had with delays and scheduling so they can incorporate an appropriate buffer.


I'd love to discuss this point further but it doesn't belong in this thread. My two cents is that even with the planning, the schedule will still be a mess.


"twigs" is wicked good, though.

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 		I just posted this over on TV Tropes, but I don't think that was HABIT at the end. It was a totally innocent person who had been lured there. Maybe Michael Andersen. And now Vinny is going to commit murder. That gun was way too easy to find.

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 		if that was indeed Michael, then that could mean that the end of MLAnderson0 is coming up soon. I guess now is as good a time as any to check it out.

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 		I'm going to get burnt at the stake for this.

Well the window was too easy to pick out and making a big deal out of that was a cop-out on my part. One thing I want to know is why Vinny was in Jeff's room, or even if there was a a reason and not just in Jeff's house and said, fuck it, let's do a video.

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As for the suspense, the timer idea worked perfectly for me. I instantly knew it had to be one of HABIT's awful, nasty ways of prolonging Vinny's death. All you could do is watch Vinny wait and prepare.


Each to their own i guess, but given how Breaking the Lease ended along with the fact that HABIT has been the only villain that's been featured in any of EMH's recent videos, I'm not sure there was any qualms of whose trick it was. It didn't feel like HABIT's nasty plot to prolong Vinny's death, rather it felt like the creator's plot to prolong the story's end. This business with crossing over could really be putting the final nail in the coffin for this show. I want the show to end not because it's bad, but because I think it made it's message and I think OOG Jeff, Evan and Vinny should move onto other projects. Jeff's a decent writer and I urge you all to check out Code Junkie by him.

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Nothing wrong with Vinnie's acting here. I personally think he's the weakest actor of the three, but he's still pretty good, and he plays an average guy thrown into a not-so-average situation pretty well.


I think Vinny's a pretty decent actor, videos like Intermission and Next give me reason to believe he can pull through some good scenes. I think Jeff is by far the weakest actor. I've yet to see one video were he shows any emotion and doesn't lethargically trudge through every line. It's just Vin's character hasn't been given good scenes to reveal his spine and develop. Most of the videos nowadays are just Vinny being pushed around by HABIT and talking to himself figuring shit out like every other video in the verse. Other than Evan (who's likely the best actor in the verse) Vinny hasn't really been put against strong enough actors to share scenes with. I want to see Vinny standing up for himself, not like in Breaking the Lease but really taking a stand, screaming down at HABIT and letting him know where he stands. We know HABIT needs Vinny and he may know it too. It'd be good to see a little bad in good ol' Vin. Though if they did another crossover I'd love to see a scene between Noah Maxwell and Vinny under pressure as Adam's acting is quite good but doesn't outshine Vinny. Like I said before the crossovers don't help as MLA doesn't really have any real convincing actors and having an actor from both series share a scene where one clearly sounds like the don't want to act hurts both series. I can kind of see why Marble Hornets ended when they did.

I'm not attacking EMH as it's still my favourite series and fuck it's story is so deep but the latest videos haven't interested me too much. That's not to say they won't pick it up and they probably will Smile But out if respect for the series, I just think it needs to end.

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 		I'm going to get burnt at the stake for this.

Well the window was too easy to pick out and making a big deal out of that was a cop-out on my part. One thing I want to know is why Vinny was in Jeff's room, or even if there was a a reason and not just in Jeff's house and said, fuck it, let's do a video.

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As for the suspense, the timer idea worked perfectly for me. I instantly knew it had to be one of HABIT's awful, nasty ways of prolonging Vinny's death. All you could do is watch Vinny wait and prepare.


Each to their own i guess, but given how Breaking the Lease ended along with the fact that HABIT has been the only villain that's been featured in any of EMH's recent videos, I'm not sure there was any qualms of whose trick it was. It didn't feel like HABIT's nasty plot to prolong Vinny's death, rather it felt like the creator's plot to prolong the story's end. This business with crossing over could really be putting the final nail in the coffin for this show. I want the show to end not because it's bad, but because I think it made it's message and I think OOG Jeff, Evan and Vinny should move onto other projects. Jeff's a decent writer and I urge you all to check out Code Junkie by him.

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Nothing wrong with Vinnie's acting here. I personally think he's the weakest actor of the three, but he's still pretty good, and he plays an average guy thrown into a not-so-average situation pretty well.


I think Vinny's a pretty decent actor, videos like Intermission and Next give me reason to believe he can pull through some good scenes. I think Jeff is by far the weakest actor. I've yet to see one video were he shows any emotion and doesn't lethargically trudge through every line. It's just Vin's character hasn't been given good scenes to reveal his spine and develop. Most of the videos nowadays are just Vinny being pushed around by HABIT and talking to himself figuring shit out like every other video in the verse. Other than Evan (who's likely the best actor in the verse) Vinny hasn't really been put against strong enough actors to share scenes with. I want to see Vinny standing up for himself, not like in Breaking the Lease but really taking a stand, screaming down at HABIT and letting him know where he stands. We know HABIT needs Vinny and he may know it too. It'd be good to see a little bad in good ol' Vin. Though if they did another crossover I'd love to see a scene between Noah Maxwell and Vinny under pressure as Adam's acting is quite good but doesn't outshine Vinny. Like I said before the crossovers don't help as MLA doesn't really have any real convincing actors and having an actor from both series share a scene where one clearly sounds like the don't want to act hurts both series. I can kind of see why Marble Hornets ended when they did.

I'm not attacking EMH as it's still my favourite series and fuck it's story is so deep but the latest videos haven't interested me too much. That's not to say they won't pick it up and they probably will Smile But out if respect for the series, I just think it needs to end.

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"twigs" is wicked good, though.


I like HIVs, try saying that out of context Razz

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I think Vinny's a pretty decent actor, videos like Intermission and Next give me reason to believe he can pull through some good scenes. I think Jeff is by far the weakest actor. I've yet to see one video were he shows any emotion and doesn't lethargically trudge through every line. It's just Vin's character hasn't been given good scenes to reveal his spine and develop. Most of the videos nowadays are just Vinny being pushed around by HABIT and talking to himself figuring shit out like every other video in the verse. Other than Evan (who's likely the best actor in the verse) Vinny hasn't really been put against strong enough actors to share scenes with. I want to see Vinny standing up for himself, not like in Breaking the Lease but really taking a stand, screaming down at HABIT and letting him know where he stands. We know HABIT needs Vinny and he may know it too. It'd be good to see a little bad in good ol' Vin. Though if they did another crossover I'd love to see a scene between Noah Maxwell and Vinny under pressure as Adam's acting is quite good but doesn't outshine Vinny. Like I said before the crossovers don't help as MLA doesn't really have any real convincing actors and having an actor from both series share a scene where one clearly sounds like the don't want to act hurts both series. I can kind of see why Marble Hornets ended when they did.


See, I think Jeff is a fine actor. Evan's fantastic. After hearing "twigs" (which I did the first time today), I'm ready to bump up my estimation of Vinny's acting. Adam's not a bad actor.

As for the "seeing why MH ending when it did" because of an actor who "clearly sounds like he doesn't want to act" Smile ... Did you mean Troy (who seemed to be emailing in almost everything from Entry #65 on) or Joseph (who is quite adept at mugging and physical comedy but can't really say lines) here? (My guess is Troy, who in some later entries seemed to be just feeding Tim Sutton lines so he could showcase his talent.)

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 		Suspense techniques only work when you don't know what is coming, or when you know that something terrible is coming, but as the video went on, I was increasingly surer that this was going to be a cut to black cliffhanger. This is what Marble Hornets started falling into, which I didn't like. If they can't back the threat up, it just becomes a long monologue, only this one also has chip-eating.

Regarding the window, I actually didn't notice it, but now that people are pointing it out, I don't think it's a small plot hole & I don't buy the teleporting excuse. What's even the point of having the door locked if they're just going to conveniently solve all escape attempts with magic?

I just don't know what to say about this one. I think it has to be either:

*A video that missed its mark, in which case there may or may not be more of the same.
*A video that's going to be followed up with a companion that gives the rest of the story, addressing things like that window.
*Abandoned in favor of another crossover or, Gods forbid, meant to facilitate another crossover.
*The end, hopefully not, since they still have so much to resolve.
*The beginning of the end, that is to say that the trio's resources for continuing the series are drying up & they're forced to either stall for time, force a conclusion, or dramatically change the format.

Again, while there's a way to pull this off, I'm forced to admit that I'm not optimistic about the trajectory of the series. There is only 1 of those possibilities that I'd say is "ideal," though I might be okay if EMH does something like move to a primarily blog format.

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