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[Gold Knight]

I did some digging through the oldest thread here and found that they did indeed discover marblehornets.com back then, including the forum. A few pages later, they concluded that it was out of game and possibly a gamejack. Also, I found this amusing tidbit:

[Cyan507]

[TheJoker]

So a fun little tidbit from someone on Reddit. 44 is the hexadecmial equivalent of the ASCII value of D. As in D Scott.

[Cyan507]

[DHawk314]

All the evidence for Brian that was ever available was actually already available back then. The evidence being totheark in Brian's house, which if anything was dampened by Masky's appearance there later, and Brian just being mentioned more often than the others. No one had any reason to suspect Tim. After Masky came everyone thought it was Tim for a while, but Brian was always the top Hoody candidate once we found out it wasn't Alex or Jessica. Now, 51 reinforced this, but the Seth alternative always had 22 as an equivalent to that.

[wassupbro]

Are we still arguing over who totheark was.

Is it that hard to understand that its had multiple users in the past.

Hoody clearly used it at the end, but Tim was definitely involved in totheark before. If you think Brian made addition, i dont even know what to say to you



On a more related note, tomorrow night marks 1 week since emails. I wonder if there will be weekly updates or something.

I say if we don't get anything new, we should focus on the numbers and the water gif, because we might have missed something.

[DHawk314]

1) Literally nobody was arguing about that.
2) That's not obvious at all. Why Addition? The one in Brian's abandoned home? The one that could easily be Brian? What, because Masky was in Brian's house two entries later it must be Masky? Because I don't know if you knew this, but Masky and Hoody are seen together like a bunch of times and were clearly in cahoots. Hoody could have just sprung him out in Entry #18.

I'm not convinced that, given the image we were given on Masky in season 3 as some series of blackout mental illness episodes caught on Jay's camera, that he was capable of totheark videos. I mean he seems like this imposing, at least somewhat coherently motivated force in the first two seasons, but by the time we get Tim's whole backstory Hoody has already been presented to us as some kind of puppet master.

Of course that's just one interpretating of things, and even with that interpretation Masky could have made totheark videos. But to say it's just oh so obvious to everyone that it's multiple people is pretty damn presumptuous.

[wassupbro]

Off Topic Post I Guess

[TheJoker]

[Cyan507]

[lonsumtravlr]

Re: Off Topic Post I Guess

[lonsumtravlr]

[DHawk314]

@wassupbro

1) 18 isn't two days after Attention it's a month later.

2) The videos have Tim in them but that doesn't mean they're his videos, it just means we saw Masky already but Hoody didn't want to reveal himself. Or maybe it was Masky, but to answer your question, yes it still speculation because it was always left ambiguous. Even before Hoody appeared there was no solid agreement about if it was Masky or if Masky was just affiliated with the real person, and agreement on this was never found. It's just not that obvious the way you're acting like it is.

3) Entry #20 says Brian's house. Alex explains at the end of Entry #22 that he came to that home "To run away" but that "Everything's just gotten worse," etc etc point being, it's Brian's house. He disappeared (51 I guess) and Alex moved in. That's why when Jay first goes there he says he got an anonymous tip about where Brian might be located (Personally I see this as a really long Chekhov's gun about Hoody, etc etc, you get the idea.) My point is, whether Masky was totheark or not does anyone really think it's a coincidence that Masky and totheark were based in Brian's house and that Hoody was Brian? Because I just find that unlikely.

@joker

"This point" was Oct 2009, so Tim appeared twice; Entry #9 and his Interview. They're not super in depth. If anything, Tim's acting normal and knowing nothing in Entry #15 indicates the opposite of him being totheark; his oblique comment about not knowing where his friend Brian has gone on the other hand...

@lonsumtravlr and cyanbro (and I guess wassupbro again)

The house with the porch is Alex's original house, but it's true that in 11 he's in Brian's house. But yeah, good point about Tim's shirt.

Anyways, I never said anything about the Seth theory in general, all I said was that even though 51 supported Brian's candidacy is barely mattered because 22 was an equivalent video for Seth. People supported Brian because he was mentioned more and it was his abandoned house.

All I was originally saying was that by 16 all that stuff was already true about Brian, and Masky had yet to appear, so it makes perfect sense that someone from Oct 2009 would pick Brian.

[lonsumtravlr]

Also, if Tim had been the one solely and intentionally behind the totheark videos, why would he overlay his face onto the end of "Messages" after having made so many cryptic videos with codes? It doesn't make sense. (OOG, it's not a stretch to assume that even though they [claim they] didn't have the whole story fleshed out in Season 1, they didn't intend for there to be only one figure beside TO and possibly Alex antagonizing Jay, and so someone else was making the entries.)

DHawk, I guess the question is why Alex was staying in Brian's house, then? Where'd this come from in the chronology the original tapes?

[DHawk314]

I mean in that same 22 speech Alex says Brian (and everyone else) was gone. So my theory was that Brian went missing, Alex moved in (as he says, to run away) and then in 22 he says he has to go back home and burn the taped (Entry #71).

After Entry #51 my inclination was to say that after that Brian and Tim went missing for a period after that, hence Alex saying they're "gone", and that 11 is in that gap. Then Alex left after 71 and learned Tim was still alive from Jay's videos.

I don't know what the creators actually intended for totheark/Tim back then, but you make some good points anyways. I always go back to the idea that by the time Tim's backstory was fleshed out the creators themselves were working with the whole first two seasons, and it just seems to me that the totheark role was split in half. The planning, behind the scenes, really more tothearkish role, responsible for Masky's directly imposing influence in season 1 was given to Hoody, while Masky was more of a mindless physical force being manipulated, which allows Tim to retroactively re-enter the story as a victim and ultimately a protagonist.

Or alternatively Masky's an alt personality who teamed up with Hoody later on. Honestly my only strong opinion is that it was clearly left ambiguous (and you can quote me on that.)