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[JumboTron]

I'm dispensing with the spoilers... If I'm correct, I don't think anyone cares about them!

Arresting Richard Hart! Yeah, like he did it! He didn't even know where Laura was. He called her at about 11:45pm to arrange to meet - about 15 minutes before she was killed.

Just to start, are my Twitter times screwed up? Just as an example what time is listed for LauraK's last twitter message ("The problem with North London police is they've only ever dealt with North London crime #useless")? Because I have 12:12 PM - 7 Mar 2015. However, that message surely would have been sent after she left the police station (after 9pm) ?

Anyway, this whole thing reeks of a PR stunt by Room/90 - the makers of SaturnEye - in order to make people aware of the product. Capitalising on their colleague's gruesome murder, while in the process advertising their product.

If I may point your attention to the pastebin conversations that I posted previously, the meeting room conversation gives some interesting insight.

They initially road-tested a similar application in Azerbaijan (albeit 2 years ago) because they needed the money. The press got wind of this information recently and have decided to write an article about it. The issue that the team are facing is a financial one. If their backers ("the Bullingdon set") pull out they have no money. That's the whole point of the meeting: to decide what their response will be when the article comes out. Re-brand it SaturnEye and explain that it's a tool for analysis, not for observation.

Also, when Laura comes back into the meeting room after sorting out Sabrina's chalet issues, she hears the tail-end of a discussion (lines 7577 to 7602 of the pastebin conversations):
DEENA: …the goodwill off the back of something like that would be better press than we could ever hope for.
GRAHAM: That's not bad.
LUCAN: Is that ethical?
VIK: Missing person would be ideal.


One step further than a missing person is a dead person. Perhaps when Laura told Lucan and Vik about the stolen iPad - and then threatened them with a sexual harrassment suit if she gets fired - they decided that Laura would be better dead to them than alive. Certainly Francis wouldn't have any objections. He had been blackmailed by Laura into agreeing whatever way the meeting went.

Perhaps SaturnEye isn't showing us everything - or only showing us what "they" want us to see. We've already got the wrong person arrested. Who's next? Lee? Cat?


Welcome tipcorn! It's possible that Richard Hart (the teacher) got Laura pregnant when she was a schoolgirl. Clearly, he went to prison for it. Additionally, he was friends with Laura's real father - Trevor Manning. Hence, the tension between Laura and Trevor (Laura: "Does he still hate my guts?", in the skype with her mum.)

If she is 24, as lynda mentioned earlier, it wouldn't fit in with (what would have been) the Eddie's child's 15th birthday.

Why is the 7th March important?

Lynda - who's Billy Bliss? I had a look on gumtree for the advert. I couldn't find it. I doubt it would be of any use either to be honest.

Going back to the latest official clues (apologies - my dalliances at the weekend were legion - playing catch up):

Apr 23 - the image of David shooting video of a sleeping Laura in the lift: I think we've already ascertained that David is a member of the #drunkensparrow group - playing a "who can get as close to Laura as possible and film her game." No malice intended - they're just playing a game.

Apr 24 - the confrontation between Vik and Lee in the pub. Laura gets Lee sacked for his twitter comments about Laura. He was rightly pi$$ed off - she's stolen his commission - and they've had a brief (drunken) relationship in the past methinks. However, I can't see him being the killer.

Apr 25 - on the tube train. I don't know what to make of it... not sure what we're supposed to be looking at?? (I can't help but think this is mistake by the games master. Perhaps they meant to show the footage from midnight, when Laura told that guy to stop filming on the train.)

Apr 26 - exterior shot of Laura's flat, and Joe walking towards her door. Another member of the #drunkensparrow group playing their game.

Any suggestions?

[tipcorn]

The twitter times are all off for me too.
They appear as correct when I click "embed tweet" the 12:12pm changes to 8:12pm.

Confused the hell out of me for the first few days.

Your idea that Saturneye isn't showing us everything could be backed up by Ola's latest video saying similar stuff.

Billy Bliss is the videographer at owens party. Pal of Mel, Owen, Shady etc. billyblissfilms on twitter.

I completely missed the bit about Trevor and Laura in the skype call. If Trevor is mates with Dick Heart, his only known associates outside of Laura's family seem to be ex-cons. Odd.

Re-listening to the skype call, Laura says Trevor might not hate her guts, just despise and begrudge.
Begrudge is an odd choice for sending his mate to prison, Laura's job would require her to be precise with language. It'd fit with my insane idea a few posts back, lumbering him and his wife with a kid. There must be a more solid reason he would begrudge her.
Anyone able to hear what Laura's mum says in response? the skype static messes me up.

EDIT - It was pointed out to me we do have laura's d.o.b at the start of the memorial video. she was 24. Lynda was right, I just don't even trust my own memory without sources.

[JumboTron]

From the pastebin link in my earlier email:

MUM: He's good.
LAURA: Still hate my guts?
MUM: He doesn't hate you Laura.
LAURA: Yes, just despise, begrudge.
MUM: It's not easy for him either you know.
LAURA: Yeah. Look, I better go, Mum.


They're asking us to send our theories to them, at infoSPLATsaturneye.org

I've got nothing concrete. But then again that's what a theory is, isn't it?

Looking at who had a direct motive for killing Laura I can only find the following:
Jake - for dumping him (and general mistreatment)
Cat (Naomi's ex) - because she's jealous about Naomi's new girlfriend
Lee - for losing his commission (and maybe/probably getting him fired)


To me none of these motives seem to be sufficient to kill a person over. Also, the google document that people have been working has ruled out Jake, Cat, and Lee.

Reviewing Laura's final trip to the pub - when she tells Lucan and Vik that the laptop had been stolen - at 22:53 Laura and Lucan join Vik in the beer garden to have a cigarette. Vik is on the phone at the time and turns his body away from the pair so that he can continue his phone conversation. That might indicate that he didn't want Laura or Lucan to know who he was talking to and what he was talking about.

The problem is also with Jess. After the restaurant where did she go? She texted to say that she was going back to the train station. And then, at 23:01, Jess calls Laura:
LAURA: You still on the train?
JESS: I didn't get it.
LAURA: You at the station?
JESS: No.
LAURA: Jess? Are you OK?
JESS EMOTIONAL: No. I'm sorry, Laura. I'm so stupid.
LAURA: Jess? Where are you?
JESS: The arcade. By the London Eye.
LAURA: Back there?
JESS: I lied to you, Laura. I'm so sorry!
LAURA: Are you alone? Jess? Hello? Are you still there? Jess?
JESS CRYING: This wasn't my idea. I'm so sorry I didn't stay with you.
LAURA: Are you with someone?
JESS: No one. No one. I ran off.
JESS:I didn't want to go with them.

Surely, if SaturnEye is such a useful tool it could be used to analyse each of the suspects' last 24 hours as well in order to find the murderer? For example, could it not analyse Richard Hart's activity on the 7th March?

(I sorta get the feeling that the answer to this will be ludicrous!)

[Tephi]

Just saw this today and is so so much info... thx JumboTron for the paste bins, they really made my life easier today hahahahahaha, I'm still trying to catch up to date, but meanwhile my suspects are Lee and Clara.... and of course there's something very suspicious with Room 90 and Saturneye...

[tipcorn]

[JumboTron]

Logistically it's hard for me to think that Vik killed Laura. He was still in the pub when she left. And I imagine he was quite pi$$ed after an afternoon of boozing.

So, to look at it from an analytical perspective:

Who knew that Laura would be at the Southbank Arcade? Well, the answer is anyone who read her tweet at 11:16PM - so no help there.

Who knew Jess well enough to lure her to go with "them" and who was in London at the same time as her? Unless her friends made a surprise appearance the only people that I can think of would be Claire and Richard Hart.

From her conversation with Laura outside the pub Jess says "This wasn't my idea", "I ran off", "I didn't want to go with them."

I noticed this when reviewing the final minutes. If my highlight works correctly I've suggested that the killer is sat/slumped at the bar. Also note that Claire Hart attempts to call Laura at the same time:

http://www.thelasthoursoflaurak.com?c=23h51m38s&n=7414#LastHoursofLK

Maybe Claire Hart is the killer? Specifically picking that date because they knew Jess would be in London.

When Laura goes outside the arcade something spooks her because she rushes through a crowd of people. We already know that she's scared of Richard. Perhaps that was the plan - force Laura into Claire's path.

[lyndaclark]

I suspect the discrepancies in the Twitter times is due to the makers scheduling the tweets to make them realistic, and Twitter recording both the time they were actually entered and the scheduled time.

I've been away over the weekend so need to do some catching up, particularly regarding Richard's arrest, but I got the gist from the google sheet.

Going to take another look at Joe walking towards the flat (April 26th clue). That one's bugging me and I'm not sure why. Also going to review the hashtag and see which characters (if any) have got involved.

Claire does seem like a likely culprit now, but if it is her, it's a bit weird, as they've suddenly thrust her in our faces so it would be slightly obvious.

PS #RichardHartisaninnocentman has to be up there as one of the worst hashtags ever.

[lyndaclark]

[JumboTron]

Yeah... everything seems open ended. Nothing definitive - just guesswork. Frustrating!

Anyone work out the password for http://insidethenetwork.tumblr.com/ ??

[Pandaren]

[JumboTron]

That sounds quite.... annoying. I thought that we were meant to work out the password?

If that's the case then there is nothing from the CCTV footage or from the social media sites that points definitively to a single suspect.

(David Odantzis forgot the password for the site and asked albi_network for it via his Twitter account on March 5th.)

[lyndaclark]

I think it must be possible to get it, although it is likely that it's difficult to crack. I really thought I'd got it when Joe was yelling 'Landlubber' at Laura in the flat viewing. I thought for sure he was taunting her with the password, what with the 'drunksparrow' connection & everything. He wasn't.

[tipcorn]

I've not seen anything from the official account to say we shouldn't try to solve the network password.

The creators are keeping an eye on us, they look at our social media accounts posts that aren't tagged as being part of the game (they occasionally fav tweets of participants, even if they aren't following us.) They warn people about unsafe stuff.

It might be a waste of time to try and crack it, but they haven't warned us against it.

EDIT:
I've been wondering if there is a way to bypass the blog.
We can assume they are uploading videos on the 7th of March.
In the case of PeterD and Henry D this doesn't appear to be via their instagram accounts.
If they were going to work as embedded videos on a blog and if they were uploaded to youtube, I'd assume they were at most "unlisted"? Not sure how vimeo or other video sites work.

Is there a way we could use google-fu to find these videos?

[JumboTron]

How come no one responded to David Odantzis when he asked for the password on Twitter?

[tipcorn]

I just assumed albi DM's him?
I was thinking the ""No DM" rule was only during the op. No reasons to back it up though.