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macrogreyhatter
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 		Enigma updated with more, specifically this set of numbers:

442, 072, 063, 123, 174, 042, 284, 431, 221, 144, 095, 1, 474, 242, 501, 365, 373, 481, 055, 194, 454, 104

Having a bit of trouble figuring out what they could go to, but I guess this is the next part of the puzzle.

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 		Google share stuff
Can everyone see it, please? :-)
Hey there,

I've been reading that some of you are sharing information via Google documents or something, which is awesome, but I think it would be more awesome if we all could share. Smile I've sent a private message via unforum to WriterNancy, but unforum's pm system gets wonky sometimes, and I've gotten no response. Would one of you be willing to either share the url, or reproduce everything here?

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 		https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2YqXw7HcwuCfjE2TlhETjBDQXlUbkIyOFlTblFfSjVIN0JLbC1qVEI0bjV4Qkl1LTZyOEE&usp=sharing

Also, if anyone's up for using irc to talk more about this in real time... I've been on for a couple of days. Unfiction's server is irc.chat-solutions.org, room is #unfiction.

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 		Bolded and Italicized?
I've been looking at Callum's cryptex - and appreciating all the good work everyone is doing - but I can't see where any of the letters are bolded and italicized. The Scrabble thing makes sense, I'm not disputing that, I just wonder if I'm missing part of the document or something.

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 		On page 2 of the document, where he posts the text that curls around on itself from the wikipedia article for cryptex, some of the letters are bolded and italic.

Kind of hard to see, but for example.. look closely at the 'a' and 'b' in Dan Brown.
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macrogreyhatter wrote:
Enigma updated with more, specifically this set of numbers:

442, 072, 063, 123, 174, 042, 284, 431, 221, 144, 095, 1, 474, 242, 501, 365, 373, 481, 055, 194, 454, 104

Having a bit of trouble figuring out what they could go to, but I guess this is the next part of the puzzle.

Why is that 1 all by itself? Hmmm don't have any ideas about this one yet.
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Nep2ne wrote:
macrogreyhatter wrote:
Enigma updated with more, specifically this set of numbers:

442, 072, 063, 123, 174, 042, 284, 431, 221, 144, 095, 1, 474, 242, 501, 365, 373, 481, 055, 194, 454, 104

Having a bit of trouble figuring out what they could go to, but I guess this is the next part of the puzzle.

Why is that 1 all by itself? Hmmm don't have any ideas about this one yet.


Not quite sure either. Trying to brainstorm some ideas. I don't *think* it's base-9. There's 64 numbers, and 22 sets. Or 21 sets of 3 and one lone '1'. I suppose that one is supposed to be significant somehow... But I'm lost.

I'm pretty sure if you add up all the numbers you get 5335, and 5 + 3 = 8. So 88? But I think that's a coincidence. XD

EDIT: Did anyone email the first part of the puzzle to Andrew Ormsby? (the poem part)

EDIT x2: Welp, I got some help from AnthraX101 and Catherwood on the IRC channel.

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Cath suggested a book cipher. So I used it on the original poem. This is what I got as an answer:

"whoever is in a hurry shows"

I don't really know if he's just being snarky about it or what. :< (Although at least we know the lines are in the right order because of this cipher? LoL)


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 		I sent the poem to Ormsby, which prompted Callum to post the following...

Callum Felderi: "Some have solved the cryptographic element and just forwarding the solution to the boss. Well done. You can do cryptography...
What is the boss looking for though is an understanding - why should you be considered as a consultant - can you do more than just translate code?
Be specific - not just what it translates as- the boss is not best pleased with getting simple answers ... and I'm getting it in the neck - my fault I suppose for not explaining it all out to you..."

Eek. There's something I'm missing, I guess... Smile
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macrogreyhatter wrote:
Nep2ne wrote:
macrogreyhatter wrote:
Enigma updated with more, specifically this set of numbers:

442, 072, 063, 123, 174, 042, 284, 431, 221, 144, 095, 1, 474, 242, 501, 365, 373, 481, 055, 194, 454, 104

Having a bit of trouble figuring out what they could go to, but I guess this is the next part of the puzzle.

Why is that 1 all by itself? Hmmm don't have any ideas about this one yet.


Not quite sure either. Trying to brainstorm some ideas. I don't *think* it's base-9. There's 64 numbers, and 22 sets. Or 21 sets of 3 and one lone '1'. I suppose that one is supposed to be significant somehow... But I'm lost.

I'm pretty sure if you add up all the numbers you get 5335, and 5 + 3 = 8. So 88? But I think that's a coincidence. XD

EDIT: Did anyone email the first part of the puzzle to Andrew Ormsby? (the poem part)

EDIT x2: Welp, I got some help from AnthraX101 and Catherwood on the IRC channel.

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Cath suggested a book cipher. So I used it on the original poem. This is what I got as an answer:

"whoever is in a hurry shows"

I don't really know if he's just being snarky about it or what. :< (Although at least we know the lines are in the right order because of this cipher? LoL)
Can you explain how you got there? I'm trying on both the Dragon poem and the latest Enigma poem, and I don't see how you've arrived at this.

EDIT - Nevermind - got it. Smile
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macrogreyhatter wrote:
Nep2ne wrote:
macrogreyhatter wrote:
Enigma updated with more, specifically this set of numbers:

442, 072, 063, 123, 174, 042, 284, 431, 221, 144, 095, 1, 474, 242, 501, 365, 373, 481, 055, 194, 454, 104

Having a bit of trouble figuring out what they could go to, but I guess this is the next part of the puzzle.

Why is that 1 all by itself? Hmmm don't have any ideas about this one yet.


Not quite sure either. Trying to brainstorm some ideas. I don't *think* it's base-9. There's 64 numbers, and 22 sets. Or 21 sets of 3 and one lone '1'. I suppose that one is supposed to be significant somehow... But I'm lost.

I'm pretty sure if you add up all the numbers you get 5335, and 5 + 3 = 8. So 88? But I think that's a coincidence. XD

EDIT: Did anyone email the first part of the puzzle to Andrew Ormsby? (the poem part)

EDIT x2: Welp, I got some help from AnthraX101 and Catherwood on the IRC channel.

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Cath suggested a book cipher. So I used it on the original poem. This is what I got as an answer:

"whoever is in a hurry shows"

I don't really know if he's just being snarky about it or what. :< (Although at least we know the lines are in the right order because of this cipher? LoL)


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The quote "Whoever is in a hurry shows that the thing he is about is too big for him. Haste and hurry are very different things." is attributed to Lord Philip Dormer Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield. It's from his book Letters to His Son. The fact that he was born on September 22 (1694) is probably not a coincidence, given the "fifteen star-filled days" mentioned in the previous poem. Of note, Stanhope successfully established the Georgian calendar starting January 1st for the British empire.

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 		Just pulling at loose threads now...
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The author of the quote, Lord Stanhope, is credited with the introduction of the Gregorian Calendar in Britain. From Wikipedia: "In 1751, seconded by George Parker, 2nd Earl of Macclesfield, president of the Royal Society, and the mathematician James Bradley, Chesterfield greatly distinguished himself in the debates on establishing a definitive calendar for Britain and the Commonwealth. With the Calendar (New Style) Act 1750, he successfully established the Gregorian calendar and a calendar year that begins on the 1st of January for the British realm; informally, the calendar act also is known as "Chesterfield′s Act"." Notably, his seconder, James Bradley, discovered the concept of the aberration of light while observing Gamma Draconis (aka Etamin), the brightest star in the Draco constellation.


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 		I didn't get a favorable answer from Ormsby either.

Quote:
Do not ask questions. State opinions. Think deeper.


Before I sent my answer to him, I asked Callum about it and he responded:

Quote:
You work fast...

Up to you to contact him - you have his email - though, bear in mind - THIS is facebook - he is the boss of a multi-national company - I suggest working out exactly what it means before contacting him - do you know ALL the information to hand - first 4 lines anyhow...

[[OOG - PLEASE SHARE THIS!]]


So I guess there's something we're all missing.

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I'm sure I wasn't the only person who noticed that Nep2ne's photo of his working out of Callum's cryptex reveals a big "X" in the middle. Callum's original Facebook photo was a version of the X8 Scrabble tile, and as Nep2ne pointed out, the number sequence reduces to 8. And, we all know that the MK sculpture on 88's page is named "Octo". I'm thinking we need to play with the Scrabble angle more. Do any of you have a Scrabble board lying around? For example, how many points would "awakened" net, and in what permutations? Could the letter R in the star position in the middle of the X be significant?

Also, the poem mentions a split person, and the whole Torchwood "Adam" thing has me thinking along the likes of "sleeper" personalities. Lucy had talked about taking new names within the organization, but I'm thinking that they acquired more than just agent code names. I think they were imprinted with agent personalities. I think "Sandwell's" does more than just mess with memories; I think it alters personalities or enables personality programming. That Torchwood episode had characters behaving in polar opposite ways, like reverse universe versions of themselves. All of which ties in to the whole reflection thing in this game. We know that Callum was also Dove/Columba, but Dove was "wiped" by 88 according to the page WriterNancy found. Callum is still around, but his Dove identity is gone - or is it? What if Dove/Columba is his real self, and Callum is the agent personality, and Columba is still knocking around inside the agent's head trying to get out? What if the same thing was going on with Lucy/Lucinda?

Edited to Add: The page WriterNancy found also talks about "Project Ultra MK", so I looked it up and found
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra


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 		Conversation with E. Nigma re: Lord Stanhope's quote
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Me: Are you saying that the thing I am about is too big for me? Haste and hurry are very different things. At least that's what Lord Stanhope told his son. And his birthday's coming up soon, too...
3 hours ago

E.N.: Ah, you are reading - good. Now, look more into the four lines as to the depth you did this 'retort' and you'll start to see how 88 works. Nothing like a 'postscript' to get people thinking differently eh?


EDIT: has anyone figured out this part yet? I think these are the four lines Enigma is referring to.

Some claim they've fixed all the pieces...
Some say its already done -
We could say that its just getting started
We could say it's only just begun...
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 		Julian Calendar
This may or may not be relevant, but the Julian Calendar was the calendar most commonly used before the current Gregorian, and any day's given Julian date is an option on the site Callum referred to earlier: http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?country=23

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