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jimmc3rd
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 		Not sure the significance, whether an error or intentional, but on the Ashby admin page, the copyright is preceded by Â.

None of the other pages have this.
Probably nothing, but I figured I'd note it here.

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Mister wrote:
I think it's interesting to note that the Red Pages Podcast episode, or rather "Extrasode," that Irregular found all that stuff in, is not available on their website. If you try to download it or play it, see here: http://redpagespodcast.com/listen/chatting-with-jim-crawford, then it will give you an error message "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt," so the only way to listen to it is to get the podcast for free on iTunes. File corruption = decay? Maybe that was Jim trying to point us to that specific episode of the podcast.


Must have been a temporary hickup, the episode plays fine for me now.

The episode seems to be hosted on archive.org so I doubt they can do anything with it.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:44 am
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jimmc3rd wrote:
Not sure the significance, whether an error or intentional, but on the Ashby admin page, the copyright is preceded by Â.

None of the other pages have this.
Probably nothing, but I figured I'd note it here.


From the learn about ~Time Travel~ link on the time-travel club

Quote:
In the 2002 remake of The Time Machine, it is explained via a vision why Hartdegen could not save his sweetheart Emma â€" doing so would have resulted in his never developing the time machine he used to try and save her.


Maybe related?

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Irregular Programming wrote:
Mister wrote:
I think it's interesting to note that the Red Pages Podcast episode, or rather "Extrasode," that Irregular found all that stuff in, is not available on their website. If you try to download it or play it, see here: http://redpagespodcast.com/listen/chatting-with-jim-crawford, then it will give you an error message "Video can't be played because the file is corrupt," so the only way to listen to it is to get the podcast for free on iTunes. File corruption = decay? Maybe that was Jim trying to point us to that specific episode of the podcast.


Must have been a temporary hickup, the episode plays fine for me now.

The episode seems to be hosted on archive.org so I doubt they can do anything with it.


That's really wierd... I can play any of the other episodes on their site, no problem. But when I try to download "Extrasode 3" specifically, it gives me an error message. Screencaps here: http://snag.gy/mTm5J.jpg and here: http://snag.gy/GT4zx.jpg. Probably nothing, maybe something with my computer, but it's really weird that it only does that for that one specific episode of the podcast... Confused

EDIT: On a side note, it feels really good to be posting and participating in the discussion again, after lurking for a good while. I'm also glad to see that it seems like we're moving along at a steady rate now, and although we still seem to have possible red herrings coming out of our ears, we're also still making progress. Very Happy

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 		So, probably not a clue or anything, but kind of a cute easter egg: Ashen Stools is episode 22, and the runtime is 22:22. Doesn't go all the way to 22:22.222 though...the micro seconds come out to .511. Don't think I'm cracking anything open here but Episode 22 running 22 minutes and 22 seconds made me smile Very Happy

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jimmc3rd
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Irregular Programming wrote:
jimmc3rd wrote:
Not sure the significance, whether an error or intentional, but on the Ashby admin page, the copyright is preceded by Â.

None of the other pages have this.
Probably nothing, but I figured I'd note it here.


From the learn about ~Time Travel~ link on the time-travel club

Quote:
In the 2002 remake of The Time Machine, it is explained via a vision why Hartdegen could not save his sweetheart Emma â€" doing so would have resulted in his never developing the time machine he used to try and save her.


Maybe related?


Must have been an error, since it's no longer there now.

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 		I just spent 15 minutes looking at the source for the RPS episode wondering why it said LAME3.99.3 all over, only to find out that it's probably the mp3 encoder, just in case someone else finds it and starts investigating.

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Irregular Programming wrote:
I just spent 15 minutes looking at the source for the RPS episode wondering why it said LAME3.99.3 all over, only to find out that it's probably the mp3 encoder, just in case someone else finds it and starts investigating.



Ok, I did some more digging.

Since Mister got errors I started thinking and it turns out that the file is most likely indeed corrupt.

On the first line I found this.
Code:
   eng www.gustavklimptuplink.com; TCOM   Z   01100100 01101001 01110011 01110000 01100001 01110100 01100011 01101000 00100000 00110001TDRL       2015-06-25PCST         APIC X8@   image/png   ‰PNG


The binary reads "dispatch 1"

the gustavklimptuplink url is invalid, there is a Gustav Klimpt on google but I couldn't find any Gustav Klimp

There seems to be a PNG in there but I can't find a way to get it out.

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TryingLobster
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Irregular Programming wrote:
Irregular Programming wrote:
I just spent 15 minutes looking at the source for the RPS episode wondering why it said LAME3.99.3 all over, only to find out that it's probably the mp3 encoder, just in case someone else finds it and starts investigating.



Ok, I did some more digging.

Since Mister got errors I started thinking and it turns out that the file is most likely indeed corrupt.

On the first line I found this.
Code:
   eng www.gustavklimptuplink.com; TCOM   Z   01100100 01101001 01110011 01110000 01100001 01110100 01100011 01101000 00100000 00110001TDRL       2015-06-25PCST         APIC X8@   image/png   ‰PNG


The binary reads "dispatch 1"

the gustavklimptuplink url is invalid, there is a Gustav Klimpt on google but I couldn't find any Gustav Klimp

There seems to be a PNG in there but I can't find a way to get it out.


You're seeing the ID3 tags on the podcast. The image encoded in the mp3 is a famous painting by Gustav Klimt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Adele_Bloch-Bauer_I) but it has some... corruption? Modification? Here's the image: http://postimg.org/image/cc8o9gw0x/

The binary is in two Comment tags in the mp3. Nothing else looks off in the ID3 tags.

I'll try to subtract the original painting from the modified version and see if I can make the changes stand out more.

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rmartins
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TryingLobster wrote:
I'll try to subtract the original painting from the modified version and see if I can make the changes stand out more.


I think this might be the original he used: http://www.creativescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/fifth-most-expensive-painting-Gustav-Klimt.jpg

Did a google search with the exact dimensions (708x708) and that came up. Of course, he could've just resized another image, but... they sure look identical -- other than the fact that the original is a JPG.

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rmartins
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 		Also, am I the only one getting a 40.6 MB file when trying to download that extrasode? The page says "9.53 MB". If that's intentional, then there might be stuff hidden in there, somehow.

Edit: Ok, this is probably nothing, the audio is ~43 min. long so that's a reasonable size. Also, I just noticed that Episode 60 also shows 9.53 MB when it's actually 35.1 MB, so I guess this is some kind of bug on the podcast website.

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TryingLobster
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rmartins wrote:
TryingLobster wrote:
I'll try to subtract the original painting from the modified version and see if I can make the changes stand out more.


I think this might be the original he used: http://www.creativescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/fifth-most-expensive-painting-Gustav-Klimt.jpg

Did a google search with the exact dimensions (708x708) and that came up. Of course, he could've just resized another image, but... they sure look identical -- other than the fact that the original is a JPG.


I actually think it's just 50% of the unresized wikipedia image. I uploaded a decent diff here: http://postimg.org/image/5f8caxpcl/ . The diff seems to show that only her skin is modified; I'm not seeing anything written in the background anywhere.

Also I think the download size is just wrong; Extrasode 3 is definitely around 40 MB, not 9.53 MB. Also episode 55 is also listed as 9.53 MB but actually clocks in around 100 MB. I wasn't able to extract anything interesting from the ID3 tags of episode 55, and the bitrate times the length seems to roughly match the size of the file, so I doubt anything's hidden in the metadata there.

EDIT: All their podcasts appear to be listed as 9.53 MB. Seems like just a site bug to me.

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TryingLobster
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bozu wrote:
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God dammit Jim.

Morse code
Code:
eri7senihsum


This is the reversed string, it's a little more than what we had before also I don't know what the seven is about.


What we expected here is erimssenihsum (mushiness mire), but the "ms" was replaced with a 7.

7 in morse is --....
m in morse is --
s in morse is ...

So I am going to guess that this is a transcription error. I haven't listened to the audio, so it's possible that the source really does say --..., which means we would need to figure out whether that was on purpose or not.


You are correct. I looked at the spectrogram to transcribe the morse and it is "erim ssenihsum". Also the first word is "owls": the first 's' starts immediately as soon as the noise ends. Also also there is a space between the words like "mushiness" and "mire"; it's hard to hear but easier to see on the spectrogram. I'll try to verify the rest of the morse later this weekend...

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 		Hey TryingLobster, nice job, and thanks for correcting me. About the PNG diff, how did you do it? Just curious!

Since PNG is lossless, isn't it weird that you got these small differences (dark blue) all over the picture? If you open a PNG file, draw some lines, then save it again, then diff, shouldn't you have a perfect match except for the lines you drew?

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TryingLobster
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rmartins wrote:
Hey TryingLobster, nice job, and thanks for correcting me. About the PNG diff, how did you do it? Just curious!


I used a python script called eyeD3 (get it? ID3? Hur hur). I use Linux in my professional life and I like using it for puzzle solving because I have access to all sorts of scripts and tools to analyze obscure file formats.

rmartins wrote:
Since PNG is lossless, isn't it weird that you got these small differences (dark blue) all over the picture? If you open a PNG file, draw some lines, then save it again, then diff, shouldn't you have a perfect match except for the lines you drew?


Good point! I think it's because my original is a JPEG and I probably don't have the real unmodified original. Whoever produced this image may have used a different JPEG than the wikipedia image, or they may have normalized or color corrected the image before modifying it.

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