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kieto
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So I rechecked my email from Lucy, this is what she says -

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I'm not really one for technical - that is more Callum, but if you could get others to organise some sort of place for peopel to discuss AD
ND A SET TIME


Looks like we've got to be the one to organize it. I can set up a Slack chat, like I suggested, but we've all gotta be on at the same time, whoever's interested. I'm on GMT+12:00, for reference.

I made a Slack chat - it's a modern IRC chat. The URL is https://oscuridadkipepeosun.slack.com/ - you might need to make a Slack account though. (Sorry about the complexity of the name, wanted to make it a bit long and weird so no one can monitor it too well, since Callum mentions he's still being monitored.)
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ZeroDayRaistlin
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I think slack is invite-only. They'd have to give you an email so you can invite them.

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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Slack

ZeroDayRaistlin wrote:
I think slack is invite-only. They'd have to give you an email so you can invite them.

Confirmed. You can make your own Slack, or you can look for existing Slacks to which your email address has been invited. You can't just join.
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Quote:

Lucy | | Edit Contact
Saturday, Nov 7 12:41 AM | Show Details | View source

Re: Re: deorc
You're very welcome. Callum asked me to post it to people so I did. Its themes are doubly relevant though, not just for his games but for our story as well.
L


Above in reference to the poem "Darkness" by Lord Byron so might be important for everyone to be familiar with. (Apart from being a really good poem - I thought, especially since I don't usually like reading anything by Byron - the poem itself also has a rather interesting historical context.)

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Oh. I wasn't aware of that...

But yes, if people don't mind giving me their emails in a pm, I can add you guys.
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On the bright side, it will be very secure.

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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Edward Nigma

New post:

E.Nigma wrote:
Some sang to me, some made a rhyme
Some pleaded with me with a ballade from time
Thus those that I like, who liked me in pre--turn
Get the puzzle a bit early, getting the worm?

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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Edward Nigma

Shad0 wrote:
New post:

E.Nigma wrote:
Some sang to me, some made a rhyme
Some pleaded with me with a ballade from time
Thus those that I like, who liked me in pre--turn
Get the puzzle a bit early, getting the worm?


Sorry y'all, I got the puzzle early, but wasn't able to do anything with it due to a paid writing gig that fell into my lap. Crying or Very sad

Edward has posted it for everyone now:

Quote:
http://www.docdroid.net/XbYpN27/puzzle2.pdf.html

The puzzle is here... You have to find at least 9... as well as the answer...!


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Some are solvable here

http://www.unfiction.com/resource/rot-it/

Seems to be paraphrasing Poe?

EDIT to stash some stuff

https://www.facebook.com/questionmarking
http://www.docdroid.net/XbYpN27/puzzle2.pdf.html
"at least nine" "all the tittles" --- title must include an "i" or "j' ??
father to an old sphinx- Oedipus Rex
depth; sought to comprehend the wide breadth-- How Do I love Thee, Elizabeth Barrett Browning
peace or bring you war -- Leo Tolstoy
forty winks-- The Tortoise and the Hare, Aesop
each separate trickster member --- The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, Tom Wolfe??


Raven linked
1 thinks of writing desks ---"Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"
2 how to keep London from war?--- "The Mabinogion" Bran (name means raven) the Blessed's head is buried where the Tower of London now stands to ward off invasion.
3 Dickens--- "Grip the Raven" inspired both Dickens and Poe
4 thrice--- "The Triple Goddess" Morrigan, took the shape of a raven over battlefields.
5 what were the reasons for his caw-- "Bean Sidhes" (Banshees) could take the shape of ravens as they cried above a roof, an omen of death in the household below.
6 painted was the plumage --- "Tribal Lore" "In the olden days, the raven and the peacock were close friends. One day, the two birds decided to amuse themselves by painting each other's feathers. The raven set willingly to work and so surpassed itself that the peacock became as it is today. Unwillingly to share its glory even with its friend, the mean-spirited peacock painted the raven plain black."

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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Edward Nigma

The complete assembled poem (I think), shared with the permission of Edgar Callum Poe Mr. Green :

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Once upon a Wednesday wartime, while I riddled, with a light rhyme,
Over many wide and various volumes of worldly lore,
While I pondered, painfully plotting, suddenly there came a trotting,
As of something loudly squatting, squatting by my study door.
"'Tis some puzzle', I uttered, "squatting by my study door."
"Only this, yet something more..."

Ah, distinctly I remember, it was in the brave November;
As each separate trickster member spoke their life upon my floor.
Eagerly I studied in depth; sought to comprehend the wide breadth,
From my books and the webs of width--what were the reasons for his caw--
Axed from rare and unknown myths whom some admire and others abhor--
Are they hidden forevermore?


Has a nordic, old, forgotten runic tale from pages rotten,
Revealed some--stirred some thoughts and memories from my past, from before?
And that tale, making new links, om'nous father to an old sphinx,
Founded in past forty winks--o how my master did implore!
Not he, a visitor who just thinks of writing desks and nothing more;
"just a bird" leant 'gainst my door?

Gripping chair arm, Dickens falling; from my desk books now lay sprawling,
Asking thrice to one or many: "Bring you peace or bring you war?"
"I am sorry, I was reading, Or rather I should say misleading,
So faintly you came interceding, bringing em'rald lands of yore,
That I scarce was sure I heard you'--here I opened wide the door;--
Darkness there yet something more...


Feathers rustled under lamplight, older oil burns from a north site,
Sleek and painted was the plumage of the bird outside my door.
Smoke was rising through the air vents, encircling my new guest's garments,
Darkening though history's invents, creating tales of olden lore.
Thus I looked and wondered deeply, how to keep London fromwar?
All of this and so much more...

Back into the study turning, all my mind within me burning,
Again I sought the deeper learning, yet darkness was around my door.
Needing light, I sought the starlight, with the night now present, so bright
Seemed the moon shining down that night, shining through my study door.
Let my mind be still a moment: this mystery you should now explore:
Where were stars, moon and sun afore?

Postscript:

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Note that the deciphered bold letters are all O (for Odd lines) or E (for Even lines).

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kieto
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So, what's the puzzle here?

I believe the pertinent question is the last - 'where were moon, stars, and sun before?'

the previous lines make reference to quite a number of fairy tales, and folk tales.

'each separate trickster member spoke their life' - lots of myths have trickster gods, 'whom some admire and others abhor'. Loki (there is a reference to Nordic myth), Anansi (from African myth), Sun Wukong (Chinese).

In the same line of thinking - 'em'rald lands of yore' could refer to two things: the Wizard of Oz (who is a trickster and a charlatan), or A Study in Emerald (by Neil Gaiman) - which matches up with the overall theme of darkness, though I believe it's more the former than the latter.

The Great Sphinx is known as the 'Father of Terror'.

And that wheel.... the wheel of fortune? or some other? And the lines next to it - have they been solved in the uncoding of the poem? Or is there something more to it?

I have my suspicions for the answer to that riddle, but I am leaving north in four days, for two weeks, and I'm sure you'll have solved it by then. If not, I'll come back and help out.
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Re: Callum Felderi
Re: Edward Nigma

kieto wrote:
I believe the pertinent question is the last - 'where were moon, stars, and sun before?'

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A great many tales speak of the trickster Raven stealing the sun, moon, and stars. Some say they came from the Old Man, some from a rich man, some from a powerful chief, some from the chief's daughter. My favorite version speaks of Grey Eagle as the original guardian.

(Marked as a spoiler because Callum has confirmed that this is at least partly correct, though as usual he would appreciate more detail.)

kieto wrote:
the previous lines make reference to quite a number of fairy tales, and folk tales.

My guess is that we need to identify nine of the references -- "fully" Mr. Green -- and from them extract the final answer. I've got some guesses, all of which involve ravens in some way:

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The "nordic, old, forgotten runic tale ... from my past, from before" made me look for a Nordic legend involving riddles. I found The Riddles of King Heithrek, in which Odin disguises himself to pose riddles to the King (who answers them all). Odin's own ravens, Hugin and Munin, probably inspired him to ask the King "On high fells what lives?" (the answer being a raven), and also the riddle seeking a substance "Harder than horn, blacker than the raven," to which the answer is obsidian, which in Old Norse was called "raven-flint."

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The mention of "writing desks" seems to reference the Mad Hatter's famous riddle from Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland: "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"

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I can't shake the feeling that "How to keep London from war?" has something to do with the legend of the ravens of the Tower of London.

I have some other thoughts, but at present they seem even more attenuated. I'll post 'em if people are interested.

kieto wrote:
And that wheel.... the wheel of fortune? or some other? And the lines next to it - have they been solved in the uncoding of the poem? Or is there something more to it?

Something more, I'd suspect. The wheel has exactly 36 segments, three identical groups of 12. That just happens to be the number of lines in the final poem, divided into the three double stanzas.

Have a good trip!
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Prize Package
It's here!

My package arrived, whereupon I lost power and internet for 1 & 1/2 days in a storm. I took photos of everything as I opened it. It's "CloudCuckooLand" by Simon Armitage. The butterfly woman card with the queen message was between pages 78 & 79. The "Eclipse" play with the Lucy Lime character is at the end of the book. There's also a grouping called "The Whole of the Sky", and each poem within that group has the name of a constellation. Some of them are checked, but the checks are too faint to come out in a photo, so I'll list them in another post, because I really need to get to bed. See y'all in a few hours!
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Re: Prize Package
It's here!

Pictishwitch wrote:
It's "CloudCuckooLand" by Simon Armitage.

Whoa! Not just a copy... an autographed copy! Rock On Congratulations again!

Pictishwitch wrote:
The butterfly woman card with the queen message was between pages 78 & 79.

I think the butterfly is Speyeria, probably Speyeria hesperis. (Funny, I would've expected some felderi species. Mr. Green ) Since both "Callum" and "Columba" mean Dove, I assume that's the significance of the poem on page 79.

So who's Lucy Webster?
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Raven consolidation
Just for my own head

So, I've been looking what y'all have found regarding Edward's puzzle - good work folks - and I thought I'd list the ravens so far, with my own additions:
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Dicken's raven, who inspired Poe
Native American trickster raven - started out white, then became black, which might be important
Odin's ravens (2)
Raven flint
Lewis Carroll's raven
Tower of London ravens (6)
Apollo's raven, who became black when scorched by his master in anger
Noah's raven, who didn't come back once the floodwaters receded - might be important given our Dove
The raven forms of the Irish goddesses Badb and Morrigan - I think that's what the "em'rald lands of yore" was referring to
The Welsh god Bran, whose name means raven
Owain's ravens in "The Dream of Rhonabwy", which is what the "forty winks" might have been referring to. One interpretation of that story holds that Arthur became one of those ravens, which is why it is supposedly unlucky to kill one
Corvus, the constellations, which is either a raven or a crow

As for what it all means, I will ponder (heh) further later this evening.

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