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[SPEC] The Artifact was NOT an remote detonator for Halo
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chaotic_mind
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 		[SPEC] The Artifact was NOT an remote detonator for Halo
Whew...almost made a little spoil in the title of the post.

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I almost used the word Halos! How terrible! They would know that there's more than one Halo! Wink


But, that aside, on to the speculation.

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I know many people seem to be thinking that the Ilovebees artifact is some sort of remote detonator. For me, this just doesn't fit.

The Forerunner made it very difficult to fire off Halo, despite the assistance. The key necessary to fire off the Halo was kept seperate from the Control Room. Notice that 343 GS doesn't beam you right next to the Index. Instead you have to make your way through the Library.

All this protection seems to fly in the face of the Apocalypso Artifact. Here you have something to remotely detonate a Halo, requiring a control sequence that can be easily guessed. No protection.

Halo 2 seems to make it clear that the Forerunner consider the Halos the very last recourse in their efforts against the Flood. The first Arbiter level seems to suggest that the Forerunnerr tried tactical options before the Halos were implimented.

[WILD SPEC]Other tacitcal options, like say, the Apocalypso Artifact?

I think the Artifact may be designed to clear a relatively (compared to the Halo radius) small area of life. I get the sense that the Forerunner started the countdown, put the artifact in the small area they intended to clear. The slipspace signal served to warn any Forerunner left in the are to clear out if they could.

The countdown kept going, until, boom, the planet or installation was sterilized.[/WILD SPEC]

I just don't get the sense that the Artifact was a remote detonator. It was just too easy too turn on and shut off compared to the experience people had with the Halos.


Still, this is just based on a sense of things, but I don't think the artifact is a remote detonator for the Halos
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or the Ark(c).


Also, if the Covenant came looking for the Artifact shouldn't they've ended up at Chawla in Boston rather than
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New Mombassa in Africa?


I think the artifact may tie in the events of Halo 2, but it isn't the prime mover or first cause as some have suggested.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:48 pm
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Kyriff
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 		Ok, bear with me considering I beat the game last night, and it was getting late, so my brain was starting to turn off, so I don't remember things exactly... but

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I believe that the monitor said that since the sequence was stopped in the middle, that was the reason that all the halos have been armed, and can be detonated with a remote detinator(sp?). So, to be able to use this ultimate weapon, you have to go through all the steps you described, on top of the fact that you would have to stop the sequence, and then find the artifact, seems like a lot of work to try and use it.

[spec] It might have been a fail safe device, if someone were to try and activate a ring, and then someone else were to de-activate it... thus all you need is the detinator to finish the job [/spec]


I don't know if we ever figured out how the artifact was activated... I came in late to the game, so if you did, let me know? Smile

But under the assumption that we are not sure how to start the artifact, it could be something like: dot, triangle, triangle, line, dot, dot, line, triangle, dot, line... well you get the point... again, just speculation by me...

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Maybe I just really want to believe that the artifact from ILB is the ark in the game....


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 		^Exactly. Because the McKaskill recording was fake, we have no idea if the artifact was activated simply with Triangles, Lines, and Dots.

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 		Re: activating the artifact
ahecht wrote:
^Exactly. Because the McKaskill recording was fake, we have no idea if the artifact was activated simply with Triangles, Lines, and Dots.

Yes, the McKaskill recording was fake, but I believe Melissa created it in order to pass on true information about the artifact, which she had gleaned from the Pious Flea. That's what she told us in her farewell message:

Melissa wrote:
When I tracked the Princess, I found traces of the Flea—valuable information about how the artifact could be revealed… but I had no way to get that information to Durga.

For her, I was mirrored. I had to find a way to tell her what I knew about the artifact.

And here I practiced a deception on you. I am sorry for that: but war demands the efficient use of assets.

I fabricated two interviews with Herzog, betting that you would find and relay them, and hoping in turn that they would appear to Durga as trustworthy pieces of information coming through a standard channel.

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 		or the tire-shaped, shape-inscribed and slipstream disturbing Artifact of ILB is just a Mcguffin, as some other have said.
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 		I cannot say I know or even believe either which way on this topic for the following reasons:

When reffereing to
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The Arc in Halo2, 343 guilty spark
Said it is a place that one must go to in order to
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Initiate firing sequence of the halos, once an emergency abort was ordered and the rings gone into stand by.

Key point is that it is a place to go. And if being isolated he couldn't know what was going on around the galaxy save with his imediat captors... He can't know where it is if it is indeed the artifact. The artifact was small, and floating in space.
Yes, durga mentioned command processes linked all the way back to HALO.
Yes, the artifact is linked to the rings, and furthermore seems to function as a signal beacon of sorts.
BUT. Is it a definative PLACE that one can go to?
Or perhaps when he said to go there, he meant go and find it. Or go to it.

But as i have thought about the potential candidate more, I have more doubts and more hopes. It is a signal beacon linked to the halos.
So was it's initial activation like flipping a switch with no connections?
Why then, was the second activation or deactivation much larger in relation to the signal and EM pulse.

Mabey the artifact was builing up via it's count-down to letting off a massive activation signal.
However... we still forget and neglect one crucial statement made by durga:
"Something triggered it as we approached Earth"
Perhaps
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the arc is what triggered the artifact, suppose the artifact is a signal bouye(sp) for the arc. One possible variation of this speculation is that the artifact doubled as a Maguffin, it's activation and deactivation was not controlled by the cast, but by the arc. Or it is possible that they're attempt to deactivate the arc using falsified information (as per melissa's explination that those files the deactivation prosedure was based on were indeed fake) triggered an early transmission (countdown to transmision) and shutdown.


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Either way I like to believe that the Covanent fleet that arrived at earth was unprepared and un aware of humanity because they were simply following the signal made by a FR artifact, and did not expect the humans to be stupid enough to bring it to their homeworld.
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 		Just a thought, but has anyone tried asking the PM's? I mean, they wrote the story so they would probably be able to tell us one way or another.
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 		Im leaning towards the Mcguffin Sad as much as I want it to be really important...

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Do we know (yes we do! but I dont..) the time frame of the activations/deactivations? I would imagine the signal sent out from Delta Halo, putting all other Halos on Stand-by would have been recieved by the Ark AND the Forerunner device. I am pretty sure the activation/deactivation was story-wise long before the events on Delta Halo, but it would make sense if the huge EMP pulse was the artifact "responding" to the Delta Halo message.

Also, something that bothered me, at the end of the ILB story we have each character making amends and then the Covenant arrive. Durga mentions that there is a Covenant Capital ship, Sereph fighters etc. I would understand alarms going off if covenant forces arrived to attack earth, but in Halo 2 its such a SMALL fleet of covie ships, and they arrive and land in Africa. It doesnt seem to add up right. They can see the ships, from America. Durga sent familes and people to shelters etc, but there is no danger to the rest of the world at the time.

It seems like ILB ends with what looks to be a full-scale invasion of earth. Which is what we all thought Halo 2 was going to be. The "G-D damn apocolypse" from the trailers. If it wasnt for the statement by Durga saying that Spartan 117 was getting a medal for finding Halo, I would say ILB ends right where Halo 2 ends. Of course this idea doesnt hold much water either, since we hear about Reach falling during the course of ILB etc. Still.. its frustrating Smile


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Wow.. wait a minute. I had a thought on the way home today.

At the beginning of ILB Week 12 Subject 1, Durga is talking to Jersey about him joining the military etc. Then all the characters are together reminising (sp) about the whole saga, Durga fills everyone in on what actually happened etc etc etc. The sticking point for me was that she mentioned Spartan John 117. He was "soon" getting a medal for discovering a "strange artifact" thats related to the one in Chawla base.

Obviously, this is taking place a day or two before the start of Halo 2 "the game". Since the first mission in Halo 2 has master chief et al getting their medals and stuff.

Then there is a audio break, and then we have Jersey talking to Durga about how its weird that everyone is gone, and Kamal is home and everybody is off doing their own things. I assumed this was taking place immediately after the big reunion, but its possible this could be taking place a week or two later (maybe even 4-5 days?). This would be AMPLE time for the events of Halo 2 to take place, and thus the end of ILB is really taking place in the same timeframe as the end of Halo 2.

The other wavs also seem to mostly take place after the reunion part of the first wav. But before the end of Jersey's wav. I think then, it is possible that the majority of the planet was unaware of the first covenant attack (yeah this part is sketchy!), or at least the ILB characters. Durga was telling Jersey NOT to enlist, or at least wait a few weeks, so perhaps she knew something had happened, or was about to happen. Thus the attack at the end of all the files is not the Prophet of Regret attacking, but the full-fledged invasion we glimpse at the end of Halo 2.

Of course this is ALL super [SPEC] and most likely the story line of Halo 2 got changed somewhere along the line and maybe things dont line up like they used to.. but still.. its a possibility!!


Anyone else? Smile

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 		Bear in mind the city attacked at the beggining of Halo 2 is not New Mombosa, and isn't neccesarily in Africa. It's just a nameless city somewhere on earth.

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 		Um, as you cruise down the interstate in your Scorpion, there's blatantly a sign above you saying "Welcome to New Mombasa"... you go through both Old and New Mombasas in that level.
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 		Yeah, ^ what he said. When you
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Go across that big bridge, there is a huge sign that says "Welcome to New Mombasa".
Though strangely there is not any HUD clues as to where you are at. We learn that its the only place they landed, but why doesnt cortana tell us where we are? Odd...

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 		Ok in halo one the oracle said the forerunners built this construct; construct being the halo/halos. When he sees master chief he calls him the reclamer. Reclamer being someone that has (COME BACK) to reclamer what was already there's. In halo 2 the oracle calls that one chick "the young reclamer". He calls the humans the reclamers… in I love bees the covenant found earth by locking on to an artifact that lead them to earth. In an interview with some guy… idk his name I don't care he help make halo well the game. He said that the forerunners were/are aliens or an alien like thing… thing… o yeah and for those of you that don't know durga is cortana… ok now to sum it all down… the forerunners were humans or… spartens (not exactly humans now XD) ok the covenant found earth by locking onto the artifact… that's the ark. The reason the forerunners built the ark on earth was because that's there home. Now cortana I think cortana is the key to opening… or turning on the ark… that's why she was in MC he was the safest place for her. When she was left on the halo in halo 2. gravemind filled her in on some stuff… that I still haven't understood… cortana need to get back to MC so she somehow gets back to earth but on the way she gets corrupted. Cortanan says "I am your shield, I am your SWORD." stating that she is his weapon… She also says "this is the way the world will end" when you see the thing shoot up into the earth… further proving that it's the ark. Well that's all I got for know I also think this game might have more Spartans because if the covenant have taken over then they have no point but to use what they got and… they got Spartan 1.0 or 2.1 or something like that… idk listen to the I love bees thing…

Know non of this is official its all just stuff that I thought of… so don't go telling people o that's the halo 3 plot or something like that… I could be but idk… well let me know what you think XD

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 		I think the artifact might be the item that was used as a prototype to the halo constructs. The artifact was used in an experiment to figure out how they could overcome the flood. As for why the covenant went to Africa instead of the United States is because the pious flea sent a signal that stated it was next to the artifact but didnt state where it was because it had just came back from the past and was confused as to where it was. but the signal was just enough for the covenant to tell what direction the signal came from but not enough to tell the exact position the artifact was in. When the covenant arrived at earth they landed all over the planet like they did at reach and immediately deployed scarabs to begin digging all over the place to find an artifact. They found an artifact in new mombassa that gave them the location of delta halo.

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