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[OOG] General Troy Has A Camera discussion
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Luno
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There are a couple of things Alyssa said that I can well believe are true. The part about the boys never getting around to splitting ownership of the company sounds plausible - it's the kind of boring paperwork that a lot of people might put off, especially when you're busy, and in any case you are best friends with the owner and couldn't ever imagine them abusing their power or screwing you over...

The part about Tim requiring Troy to write the explanation of what he did sounds likely - in fact it's something I actually suspected when the post went up. A couple of months ago Tim posted some anti-THAC stuff on his Tumblr and got some anon hate from fans. He also called Troy's initial placatory statement from when he and Joseph first left "balls". I could see him wanting Troy to set the record straight and tell the truth to the fans, maybe as a first step towards forgiveness. However, the idea that he might have "emotionally abused" Troy into doing it doesn't sound like Tim somehow.

But yeah, Alyssa should have known better than to wade in like that. It did, of course, only make things worse. I read her blog sometimes, and she is going through some terrible stuff in her own life right now aside from all the THAC stress and money issues, so I can see how her judgement might have been a bit skewed at the time, but it's still no excuse. Even if it was entertaining.

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NorseSwagger
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Never thought I'd see THAC implode like this..not to sound rude, but I'm glad it's happened post-MH so that series didn't end up like CL44 in its climax

I wish them all well, and success in whatever they're doing in the future

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Cyan507
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NorseSwagger wrote:
Never thought I'd see THAC implode like this..not to sound rude, but I'm glad it's happened post-MH so that series didn't end up like CL44 in its climax


that would have been upsetting.

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Lithp
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I think you have me confused with someone who is actually around.

My sentiment on Alyssa is pretty much the same for the other 4: Parts of her posts seem like they're true, I can understand why she is doing what she is doing, but she is biased and not seeing the faults on her side (which includes Troy).

Mind you, I don't think they're equally at fault. The fact that Troy (and to a lesser extent Noah) didn't want to share responsibility means they also get more of the blame.

Edit: Since I don't think I've seen it posted here, Joseph tweeted a thing. It's partly to do with the THAC situation, but mostly just everything he's been going through in daily life. I really had no idea that these guys were dealing with so much.

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So, has Noah said anything about being fired? The last thing I've seen of him was the message the Joseph told him to eat shit over.
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Beidah wrote:
So, has Noah said anything about being fired? The last thing I've seen of him was the message the Joseph told him to eat shit over.


I wouldn't bet on it. Noah seems to count on his ceaselessly creepy constant happiness chipper personality to appeal to folks. Letting his guard drop to openly speak about something inherently negative seems decidedly un-Noah. Nothing to be gained from it. He's already catching enough shit for basically being THAC's Yoko.

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I checked his twitter. It's nauseating. Nothing about getting fired, though.
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Cyan507
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I think you have me confused with someone who is actually around.


Nope, I've been around the UF forums for almost the same amount of time as you. Being around in recent times doesn't quite qualify.

If people are interested in hearing Noah's thoughts on leaving THAC all I would say is keep an eye on his convention schedule, and if anyone sees him at one question him IRL. Really we should just leave the man alone, given we have no reason to follow him unless some people are interested in his personal work. But e-mails and tweets are easy to ignore, asking someone face to face isn't. He's likely to spout the same old honey-glazed drivel he always has, but just like Tim and Joseph's departure, give it enough time I think he'll open up...as will Troy, because if there's one thing we've learned from this is that it keeps going and Troy and Jay are both unreliable narrators.

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Lithp
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I was making a joke because I thought you were making a joke.

In addition to Noah's ever-present mask of cheerfulness, I suspect he might have been told to stay out of it.

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awakeasaurusrex
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Cyan507 wrote:
She did make some good points about it being Troy's company, though while it not being fair, was a fact.

It's a fact, but Troy himself has also said that playing the "I'm the sole owner" card was a mistake on his part and it was always supposed to be a co-owned thing but they didn't get around to doing it. Alyssa's point - that the sole ownership situation was fully intentional and it wasn't meant to be a majority-rules affair - only stands if you assume that Troy was actively misrepresenting the situation to make himself look bad, and why would he do that?

Waldron96 wrote:
Hate to say this, but THAC is becoming like the Beatles with Alyssa getting involved in this now. Troy Wagner is John Lennon, Joseph DeLage is Paul McCartney, Tim Sutton is George Harrison and Noah Scammon is Ringo Starr. And Alyssa, Troy's wife, is Yoko Ono, John's wife. Christ, all of this is tough to watch go down.

I'm with JustJim here: if anyone is Yoko Ono in this situation (or rather, the Yoko Ono of the "Yoko killed the Beatles" fan theory as opposed to Yoko as she is in reality, where I suspect things aren't as clear-cut as Beatles fans like to think) it's Noah. Latecomer who arrives in a situation and throws off the interpersonal chemistry between people who used to be friends, with things coming to a head when one of said friends sides with the newcomer over his old buddies... the glove fits, so you can't acquit.

JustJim wrote:
I wouldn't bet on it. Noah seems to count on his ceaselessly creepy constant happiness chipper personality to appeal to folks. Letting his guard drop to openly speak about something inherently negative seems decidedly un-Noah. Nothing to be gained from it. He's already catching enough shit for basically being THAC's Yoko.

Yeah, about that.

Go back and reread Noah's post. It just doesn't fit this situation, right?

Now go back and reread it and imagine that he'd written it in the wake of, say, Joseph and Tim deciding to leave THAC on a perfectly amicable basis and everyone having a big love-in before going their separate ways with a tear in their eye and a glow in their heart.

It fits much better, doesn't it?

I've been thinking a lot about why Noah's post seems kind of "off", and I think this is what it comes down to: he's so determined to put a sunny, positive spin on everything that it hits the point where he doesn't even acknowledge that there was a problem. It's like he point-blank refuses to even acknowledge any negative events or consider that he might have anything to apologise for.

I've said this elsewhere, but I'd actually respect Noah more if he had said "Well, this stuff happened, and clearly my involvement became a sticking point, but I'm not going to apologise because I don't believe I was responsible for any of this". I mean, that'd be an inflammatory statement, but it'd at least acknowledge that the stuff Troy outlined happened and it'd be kind of consistent with Troy's story at that. (After all, it wasn't Noah who overruled the others on whether Noah should stay, it wasn't Noah who dipped into the bank account, and it wasn't Noah who restructured people's pay in a way that gave Troy the biggest wage by 15%.)

Between that and the way he keeps turning around the subject to him, whether it's bigging up people because they were nice to him rather than because of any positive quality of theirs independent of their behaviour towards him or hyping his future projects, "eat shit" feels kind of wholly justified even without taking into account whatever shit that went down Joseph is too professional to tell us about.

It's like once upon a time someone gave Noah some advice about giving a positive message when doing this sort of public-facing PR stuff, and he took that lesson to heart, only he took it to heart too well and didn't put enough thought into the thinking behind that message but just adopted it as a hard-and-fast immutable rule rather than a rule of thumb that you need to adapt to the situation at hand, so he ends up being CONSTANTLY MONOTONOUSLY POSITIVE all the time to the point where he can't address any negative subjects at all. It's weird and it makes him seem massively insincere, and I can see why that rubs people the wrong way.

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It's a fact, but Troy himself has also said that playing the "I'm the sole owner" card was a mistake on his part and it was always supposed to be a co-owned thing but they didn't get around to doing it. Alyssa's point - that the sole ownership situation was fully intentional and it wasn't meant to be a majority-rules affair - only stands if you assume that Troy was actively misrepresenting the situation to make himself look bad, and why would he do that?


Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. As time goes by it just seemed like a convenient coincidence that Troy's sole ownership never changed.

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Well I've finally just read all this and all I have to say is, Jesus Fuck. It wasn't looking hopeful and I was always slightly hoping Noah would do something cool and make me like him a bit more/pick up on CL44. I was hoping Joseph and/or Tim had just had a creative burn out, or distance thing as I knew Troy had moved, rather than a falling out with Troy. But it turns out my suspicions were correct and that Troy and to a less extent Noah forced Tim and Joseph away. Hopefully Tim and Joseph start making their own content or collaborate together sometime(s) to make something wonderful. I hope now that Noah has essentially been fired Troy still has the ability to make shorts on his own or at least get collaborators to work on individual shorts or something. But I wish Troy, Tim and Joseph all the best on what they move onto next and hope that they can at least sort out their differences as people and still be friends.

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Hazman wrote:
Well I've finally just read all this and all I have to say is, Jesus Fuck. It wasn't looking hopeful and I was always slightly hoping Noah would do something cool and make me like him a bit more/pick up on CL44. I was hoping Joseph and/or Tim had just had a creative burn out, or distance thing as I knew Troy had moved, rather than a falling out with Troy. But it turns out my suspicions were correct and that Troy and to a less extent Noah forced Tim and Joseph away. Hopefully Tim and Joseph start making their own content or collaborate together sometime(s) to make something wonderful. I hope now that Noah has essentially been fired Troy still has the ability to make shorts on his own or at least get collaborators to work on individual shorts or something. But I wish Troy, Tim and Joseph all the best on what they move onto next and hope that they can at least sort out their differences as people and still be friends.


If you read everything you'd know Joseph made a post saying he has no remote plans to create any content.

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Cyan507 wrote:
The official CL44 fandom saga summarised into photos. I'm going to get banned for sure.

Fandom upon seeing first CL44 teasers.


Fandom upon first Broadcasts being uploaded


MH OGs with the CL44 newboys


90% of CL44 fanbase after first dozen Broadcasts are up


Fandom in last 2-3 months


Remaining fandom


Fandom in 2-3 months time.


CL44 by Autumn 2016


Paul Patrick Poodle and Bomblurs fans.


THAC December 2016




I should use my crystal ball more often.

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Hazman
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Cyan507 wrote:

If you read everything you'd know Joseph made a post saying he has no remote plans to create any content.


Admittedly there was a lot to read and I didn't read it all. :/ I skimmed through a lot of stuff after I'd read the first forum thread that Troy made about it on the THAC forums. Sad

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