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I think the series' biggest sin is that, besides the lack of updates, is that there never seems to be a single point where the characters of any series (Except for TT where it works the opposite way, no matter how much help Noah gets, his stupidity and stubborness is most of the time his biggest enemy) get an advantage over whatever they are facing.

We've seen HABIT being in control of everything for how long now? (3+ years since he appeared unless you want to count back since the beggining of EMH) It is extremely boring to see characters' efforts go nowhere because HABIT just says "lol nope" and pulls some supernatural shit just to be on top again.

Give me something that makes me root for them and hope that they win next time i see them instead of just seeing Noah being an idiot or Vinny still trapped in Apartmentland

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The slenderverse is a zombie that refuses to admit it has died.


It has, and honestly, i'm pretty sure that Night Mind's Explained series will end up having more views than the series he covers altogether because people are just not into the Slendy hype train anymore. People will probably just google "Can somebody explain the whole [insert series here] deal to me?"


The irony of it is that, technically, HABIT is the EMH crew's advantage. As of the last two videos, it seems as though Vinnie honestly believes HABIT is his ally in a fight against Slenderman. That, or he'll go along with it until he sees a way out. Honestly, it's not really about the crew at this point. It's HABIT vs. Slendy, and EverymanHYBRID is someone's weapon.

If you ask me, though, HABIT is the one who needs to die.
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With Vinny able to see the hidden videos for the first time since the series began for unknown reasons, and lines implying a more active 2017 and return of the ARG element? That ain't filler, man!

(Spoiler: he can see them now because it's a Christmas miracle)

EDIT: I don't suppose Rabbits 82 and 41 will be eventual recipients of ARG stuff, since they were namedropped last year in a plot element that hasn't been utilized yet? Either way, it seems no one's come forward yet -but it's been four years since any players received mail, so it must mean an upcoming thing.


Not sure what you mean by "lines" lmao but EMH puts out an update video every Christmas to try to convince the fans the series isn't dead. I'll admit, the fact that the hidden videos are now visible to Vinny is cool, and I'm excited to see if they will also be visible to Evan the next time he and HABIT switch out. But despite Vinny's discovery, nothing in terms of story has moved forward, which is what should happen in every video. Doing anything else is literally the definition of filler story wise. We're past the point of realism in this series, the final act has been dragged out for at least 3 years, it's time to finish it. Either the EMH boys get bored or move away from NJ and drop the project, or we get some half assed one off video scrambling to tie up all the loose ends. I'm being a total dick here, but this was very favourite online series of all time, but man they dropped the ball


We completely disagree here: you think they have dropped the ball, while I believe that dropping the ball would be to make haste and film/edit/release a video just to end it. We have to remember that this is THEIR project for them, to share with us, not our project. If they aren't content with setting an end just to set an end, then they should not.

We also have to remember that things that are cheap to make and good, they take time. If it was cheap and fast, it would most likely not be good. That approach is fine with me.

I am taking the approach to have patience, there are other things in life that not only I have on my plate, but I'm sure they do as well, and when the time comes where they are proud of their content, and finish their project. I will be there to watch it and appreciate that they didn't rush things.


Not sure why you use "we" you don't speak for the unforum. We shouldn't give out as fans since we're not making the series and like you said it isn't made for us (even though it kinda is)
but you have to admit that teasing a significant upload and more frequent upload schedule and not following through is poor on their part. As an artist NEVER set goals publicly that you can't achieve.

I don't know if there's much more point in me posting here, Lithp is basically saying everything I'm thinking before I say it.

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This is so fucking true. Although he doesn't upload frequently, Adam always tries his best to make every TT video significant. And I'm aware of his situation, but he finds ways to still be creative, like he either uploads to his Nimbus page with goofy stuff he does or he uploads to his facebook, but he is always working and always trying to get better. If you have a skill and you don't practice it regularly you become less sharp at it. And with EMH it really shows, you can tell they don't write, edit or act between each shoot. Like Vinny used to be such a fluid actor but now he comes across as so wooden, which makes he clear he doesn't warm up or prepare for acting.


I used "we" not speaking as unforum, not sure why you got that from what I said. I used "we" as in you and I because based on what you post, you and i, or we, completely disagree.

I then use we as in whomever the post concerns.

Sometimes as a writer or poster, you want to make sure your and know that you aren't gone and still are working on things and are till dedicated to completing your project. If the fans take that as things are going to be finishing up soon or being really frequent, then that's on them.

Things may have been planned to be more frequent and out of excitement, they may have let us know, but that doesn't mean speed bumps weren't hit.

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Ataxis wrote:
If you ask me, though, HABIT is the one who needs to die.


I don't think he is ever going to die. Either the iterations will stop permanently or someone/something will take the actors of the "play" outside of it, leaving only HABIT in it to have fun by himself. Its like a game where the only way you can win is by not playing it in the first place.

But to be honest, the more i think about it, the more i reach the conclusion that TT and EMH (And many other series in the universe) are just fucking terrible as a series but they have some redeeming qualities to them.

EMH has had "The HABIT show" which made it entertaining for a while, but it has already run out its course, now it is just a snuff film (And allways has been if you think about it, consdering that the EMH crew has had NO control over ANYTHING since the beggining of the series) featuring Vinny.

TT has some amazing special effects and The Collective/Firebrand videos are the best part of the series, but we don't get that many of them, the rest of the time is just Noah either being stupid and refusing to accept help from people who clearly want to help him or watching him ignore the obvious hint or task he is told to do in order to move the plot forward

I also fucking hate all the supplementary material you need to watch/read (Especially in EMH) to make sense of what is going on, i know it is an ARG but holy shit, it doesn't need to be all over the place

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I used "we" not speaking as unforum, not sure why you got that from what I said. I used "we" as in you and I because based on what you post, you and i, or we, completely disagree.

I then use we as in whomever the post concerns.

Sometimes as a writer or poster, you want to make sure your and know that you aren't gone and still are working on things and are till dedicated to completing your project. If the fans take that as things are going to be finishing up soon or being really frequent, then that's on them.

Things may have been planned to be more frequent and out of excitement, they may have let us know, but that doesn't mean speed bumps weren't hit.


k.

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I don't think he is ever going to die. Either the iterations will stop permanently or someone/something will take the actors of the "play" outside of it, leaving only HABIT in it to have fun by himself. Its like a game where the only way you can win is by not playing it in the first place.

But to be honest, the more i think about it, the more i reach the conclusion that TT and EMH (And many other series in the universe) are just fucking terrible as a series but they have some redeeming qualities to them.

EMH has had "The HABIT show" which made it entertaining for a while, but it has already run out its course, now it is just a snuff film (And allways has been if you think about it, consdering that the EMH crew has had NO control over ANYTHING since the beggining of the series) featuring Vinny.

TT has some amazing special effects and The Collective/Firebrand videos are the best part of the series, but we don't get that many of them, the rest of the time is just Noah either being stupid and refusing to accept help from people who clearly want to help him or watching him ignore the obvious hint or task he is told to do in order to move the plot forward

I also fucking hate all the supplementary material you need to watch/read (Especially in EMH) to make sense of what is going on, i know it is an ARG but holy shit, it doesn't need to be all over the place


Like Ristar said a common trend I see in a lot of Slenderseries is the creator's refusal to put their protagonist(s) in any control of their situation. I'm not saying they're able to kill slendy and skip into the sunset, but have at least some bearing of what's going on. Like in EMH, MLA, Tulpa and a few others, there's this constant dive into despair that the characters experience were everyone around them dies, their house burns down, they get vague notes saying "your fault" etc. And in some cases I honestly feel like suicide is the best option for the characters. But then you have bullshit like in EMH where they can't even escape in death. So if they can't possibly hurt their enemy and they can't run away from their enemy then what's the point of the series going ahead? Like on paper it may look artistically sound, but for audience it's just pointless and redundant. EMH is supposedly in it's final act, so there's no reason Vinny shouldn't have the tools to, at the very least, escape HABIT's grasp. If all he can do is post boring af update videos while HABIT torments him then I'll unsubscribe right now.

EMH used to be my favourite series, and I up until recently I'd have told you it was the best, given it's story mechanics and use of the platform. Most fans of the verse will tell you MH is the best because they were the first to do it. If you to ask me right now which slenderseries is the best I'd say Marble Hornets because it knew when to fucking END.
I'm so glad EMH doesn't have a Patreon.

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 		Honestly, EMH has a very simple problem, and we all know more-or-less what it is. It's still a good story, and it holds together, but only when it's moving.

It hasn't moved in a long time.
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Like Ristar said a common trend I see in a lot of Slenderseries is the creator's refusal to put their protagonist(s) in any control of their situation. I'm not saying they're able to kill slendy and skip into the sunset, but have at least some bearing of what's going on. Like in EMH, MLA, Tulpa and a few others, there's this constant dive into despair that the characters experience were everyone around them dies, their house burns down, they get vague notes saying "your fault" etc. And in some cases I honestly feel like suicide is the best option for the characters. But then you have bullshit like in EMH where they can't even escape in death. So if they can't possibly hurt their enemy and they can't run away from their enemy then what's the point of the series going ahead?


To be fair, MH had that problem too for a while, where the good guys are trying to find Alex but they do so knowing that he is armed and the Operator might be nearby. I found that stupid but i asumed that they were counting on being able to take Alex out, it was also frustrating to see Hoody not capitalizing on whatever opportunity he had to kill Alex, but still, it felt like everyone had a chance of winning in the end.

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Ristar wrote:
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Like Ristar said a common trend I see in a lot of Slenderseries is the creator's refusal to put their protagonist(s) in any control of their situation. I'm not saying they're able to kill slendy and skip into the sunset, but have at least some bearing of what's going on. Like in EMH, MLA, Tulpa and a few others, there's this constant dive into despair that the characters experience were everyone around them dies, their house burns down, they get vague notes saying "your fault" etc. And in some cases I honestly feel like suicide is the best option for the characters. But then you have bullshit like in EMH where they can't even escape in death. So if they can't possibly hurt their enemy and they can't run away from their enemy then what's the point of the series going ahead?


To be fair, MH had that problem too for a while, where the good guys are trying to find Alex but they do so knowing that he is armed and the Operator might be nearby. I found that stupid but i asumed that they were counting on being able to take Alex out, it was also frustrating to see Hoody not capitalizing on whatever opportunity he had to kill Alex, but still, it felt like everyone had a chance of winning in the end.


yeah dude. At least it felt like some one of them had a way out of this. EMH is just pushing this idea that "things are just going to keep getting worse and you can't change it no matter what so there's just no point even trying." And it's so repetitive to listen to. From an audience standpoint I don't empathise with the protagonist's sense of despair, I just feel like the writers stopped caring a long time ago.

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Honestly, EMH has a very simple problem, and we all know more-or-less what it is. It's still a good story, and it holds together, but only when it's moving.

It hasn't moved in a long time.


And what I fear most is people just joining who have and haven't watched all the older entries, do they even think the series is even worth watching?

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Sometimes as a writer or poster, you want to make sure your and know that you aren't gone and still are working on things and are till dedicated to completing your project. If the fans take that as things are going to be finishing up soon or being really frequent, then that's on them.


C'mon, this is just bordering on denial of reality. Vinny didn't say "I'm still alive & working on stuff," he showed a bunch of videos & said they should be ready to start going up once we did some arbitrary & unspecified thing.

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Honestly, EMH has a very simple problem, and we all know more-or-less what it is. It's still a good story, and it holds together, but only when it's moving.


It's kind of tough to say how this part of the series will look in retrospect, but I can't see it fitting all that well.

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Like Ristar said a common trend I see in a lot of Slenderseries is the creator's refusal to put their protagonist(s) in any control of their situation. I'm not saying they're able to kill slendy and skip into the sunset, but have at least some bearing of what's going on.


Yeah, I think a lot of what killed the Slenderverse is a refusal to move away from certain cliches, including that the protagonist can never be in control of anything. The series that don't fall into that are more interesting, because there's some actual uncertainty. Though to be fair, I don't think EverymanHYBRID used to be like this, they were making some solid progress before HABIT finally tipped his hand, it's just that's lasted forever now.

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EMH used to be my favourite series, and I up until recently I'd have told you it was the best, given it's story mechanics and use of the platform. Most fans of the verse will tell you MH is the best because they were the first to do it. If you to ask me right now which slenderseries is the best I'd say Marble Hornets because it knew when to fucking END.


I gotta say, I'm not really that fond of the way Marble Hornets ended, or a lot of its 3rd act in general, but it did at least mostly give a sense of closure.

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 		[wrote a whole big dumb wall of text because I thought it would mean something, but honestly nvm]

Anyways, I liked the new video! Minor story progression with some decent in-game explanation for the wait, and a prodding of the narrative intrigue raised in the previous episode. Can't wait for the next one! (but I totally can)
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and a prodding of the narrative intrigue raised in the previous episode


Go on.

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Go on.


Just the whole "Vinny shot himself; how on EARTH--?" thread. This new upload gave us a look into how Vinny felt about that, which was a big question mark I had regarding it the second it happened in the previous video. I still think the series has done a consistently good job at answering small questions (what happened after Blue Room?) and presenting new ones (does this confirm the iteration theory? and as usual, where is this headed?).
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Go on.


Just the whole "Vinny shot himself; how on EARTH--?" thread. This new upload gave us a look into how Vinny felt about that, which was a big question mark I had regarding it the second it happened in the previous video. I still think the series has done a consistently good job at answering small questions (what happened after Blue Room?) and presenting new ones (does this confirm the iteration theory? and as usual, where is this headed?).


It doesn't even matter if Vinny shot himself or not, thanks to the Iteration theory (Which was been proven true years ago, its nothing new) he won't die, or at least HABIT and Slenderman won't let them kill themselves unless they feel like letting them.

The game has barely moved an inch for a whole year, even the fact that Vinny can see the hidden videos now is irrelevant since we already know what they mean and they just confirm stuff like the iteration theory and the fact that HABIT has been around since the beggining

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 		Yeah, that would do it for me. Thanks unFiction. You were cool.
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 		How has the iteration theory been "proven" in any way? We know Corenthal is hiding out in a "sanctuary" that's a presumed pocket dimension, but not if it's in some "candleverse of universal avatars." We know characters seem to come back after fatal events unharmed, but there doesn't seem to be any pattern to it, they don't come back in the same state every time.

The only thing that really has a case for it is the "sub theory," & even that has problems. Why has Steph not "reiterated"? Since when is Alex part of this, considering he's not referenced at all in the Corenthal papers?

Also, a lot of those events aren't markedly different from other Slender-series where protagonists experience temporal displacement, so what makes people think this is anything but Slenderman or HABIT or whatever reviving the ones he's not done with, but letting the others die?

Finally, The Property is cited as evidence of a recursive timeline, but recently Vinny implied a more earthly explanation, that somehow or or another it's just "all one house." This throws into question whether or not any of the events are even what they seem, including the deaths. If they're all just actors without realizing this, who's to say this isn't going to go Full Big O on us & say, "They don't exist, they never did"?[/url]

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How has the iteration theory been "proven" in any way? We know Corenthal is hiding out in a "sanctuary" that's a presumed pocket dimension, but not if it's in some "candleverse of universal avatars." We know characters seem to come back after fatal events unharmed, but there doesn't seem to be any pattern to it, they don't come back in the same state every time.

The only thing that really has a case for it is the "sub theory," & even that has problems. Why has Steph not "reiterated"? Since when is Alex part of this, considering he's not referenced at all in the Corenthal papers?

Also, a lot of those events aren't markedly different from other Slender-series where protagonists experience temporal displacement, so what makes people think this is anything but Slenderman or HABIT or whatever reviving the ones he's not done with, but letting the others die?

Finally, The Property is cited as evidence of a recursive timeline, but recently Vinny implied a more earthly explanation, that somehow or or another it's just "all one house." This throws into question whether or not any of the events are even what they seem, including the deaths. If they're all just actors without realizing this, who's to say this isn't going to go Full Big O on us & say, "They don't exist, they never did"?[/url]


I believe it is indeed a play and they are indeed actors, if they happen to die when they are not supposed to, they are brought back to fulfill their role.

Characters like Steph and Jeff have already done what they were supposed to do, so they are not brought back into the play anymore.

Alex's death to me is the equivalent of an extra doing something he is not supposed to during the play, and since he is not important to the overall plot, he gets inmediately taken out as soon as he screws up

Corenthal i can't really tell to be honest, i think he either did something on this iteration that let him escape the play (The Pocket Dimension) or he is just delaying the inevitable (Sort of how the last hidden video references Corenthal dying after putting a bullet into HABIT). Either way, he is doing something he is not supposed to and he says that he and his family are "holding the front", meaning that they are indeed trying to kill him and his family.

There are many times where Slenderman seems to keep people alive or bring them back (I'm not sure if Slenderman is actually the one bringing them back or its just the universe that works that way) until they do what they are supposed to, after that they finally die.

That's pretty much where i'm coming from when i say the Iteration Theory is true, every character in EMH has a role to fulfill, and when they are done, they get gutted, and if they die without doing what they are supposed to, they are brought back. After the play is over, they are all brought back to life so they can do it all over again

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