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dmax
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 		GREYWETHERS page: saint_beregonne
Click on the manhole, and you get to the tunnel.

It leads you to ten pages:
page[0]="www.wishtv.com/";
page[1]="www.iwishyouwish.com/";
page[2]="www.wishfm.net/";
page[3]="www.wishus.org/";
page[4]="www.wishsf.com/";
page[5]="www.wshh.com/";
page[6]="members.aol.com/ATOYA/wishing.html";
page[7]="www.fivecentwish.com/";
page[8]="www.wishbowl.com/";
page[9]="www.bartleby.com/101/353.html";
page[10]="www.wishmachine.com/";

Fun!

One of the upper windows gets you "myths"
http://www.greywethers.net/window2.html
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 		Re: GREYWETHERS.COM page: saint_beregonne
dmax wrote:

One of the upper windows gets you "myths"
http://www.greywethers.net/window2.html


I posted some info about it here.

Please feel free to move it to which ever thread you feel it should be. I posted my info after you posted this Very Happy So I don't know where it should be.
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 		I tried this...but maybe there's a variant spelling. Off to bed:)

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The Cumaean Sibyl was beautiful girl named Deiphobe


From: http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/desdemo2.htm

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The first Christian to list the Sibyls was L.C.F. Lactantius (c. 260-340 CE). In his book on holy, religious institutions (Book I, Chapter 6), he lists the Sibyls as follows:

Persian (or Chaldean, who answered Alexander the Great)

Libyan (Her name was Lamia, meaning Snake or Medusa)

Delphic Sibyl (Mount Parnassus in Greece)

Cimmerian (Near Lake Avernus; i.e., Cumae)*

Erythraean (From Babylon; she predicted the Trojan War)

Samian (Isle of Samos, near Hera's Temple)

Cumaean (Sibyls named: Deiphobe, Amalthea, Herophile, Demophile, Taraxandra)

Hellespontian (born at Troy during the lifetimes of Solon and Cyrus the Great)

Phrygian (Priestess of Cybele who prophesied at Ankara, Turkey)

Albanean or Tiburtine (Latin town of Tiburs)

*Since the designation Cimmerian refers to priestesses who lived underground near Lake Avernus, it probably duplicates #7, or refers twice to the Cumaean Sibyls. An oracular shrine dedicated to Apollo, as at Delphi, stood on the Acropolis of Cumae. An underground Roman road ran from the southeastern part of Cumae, through Mount Grillo to the shores of Lake Avernus.



~cem

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cemgate2002 wrote:
I tried this...but maybe there's a variant spelling. Off to bed:)

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The Cumaean Sibyl was beautiful girl named Deiphobe


~cem


Here's some more Very Happy

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The most celebrated of the Sibyls is that of Cumae in Italy, whom some have called by the different names of Amalthaea, Demophile, Herophile, Daphne, Marto, Phemonoe, and Deiphobe.

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 		Interestingly enough, Saint Beregonne doesn't appear to be a saint (or at least I couldn't turn him up on Google), but the name of a street in a story by Jean Ray:

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Now, La ruelle tenebreuse-- I'm willing to grant that a ruelleis probably more at "alley" than "street", but it loses the swing of the earlier title. Still, Van Calenbergh has done a fine job with the text as a whole, so "Tenebrous Alley" it is. Those of you who are curious about Lowell Bair's translation of "The Shadowy Street" can find it also in Hartwell's FOUNDATIONS OF FEAR (and its paperback breakdown volume SHADOWS OF FEAR), & in Marvin Kaye's DON'T OPEN THIS BOOK ("The Mainz Psalter" is in his WITCHES & WARLOCKS anthology).
I guess the synopsis from my old Ghoulsarticle is still good:

'...the story a product of two manuscripts, in German & in French, found by the narrator in a shipment of scrap paper on a ship in the Rotterdam dock. Both letters deal with the same event from two perspectives; that of an alternate-universe in the city of Hamburg, reached via a street known as Saint Beregonne's Lane, which is only visible to a select few persons, & leads to a spectral world of curiously duplicated houses, populated at night by a horrible race of ghost-vampires which filter through to Hamburg at nighttime to create a reign of grisly murder & kidnapping that saturates the story until its final conflagratory climax...'


taken from:
http://www.violetbooks.com/REVIEWS/rbadac-jeanray.html

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 		(edit): double post due to timeout, sorry

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 		Actually, some of the names refer to more than one Sibyl. Sibyl is a surname and each is remembered for different predictions.

Our Sibyl brought 9 books to a king of Rome asking $300 for them with all predictions for the empire. The king said no. She returned later with 6 books asking the same price, again the king said no. Years later she returns with 3 for the same price. The king now buys them and when he asks about the other 6 she says she burned them. She refused to try to recreate them.

She also guided Aeneas to the underwold. For safe passage he brings a golden bough - marked by doves, to give to Persephone I believe or Charon. They also bring a drug of some sort to put the hounds to sleep.

Also the gateway gives off sulfurous gas and no birds will be found nearby. The gateway is know as Plutonia or Plutonium.

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 		http://www.bartleby.com/101/353.html
Has changed, instead of the information on the sibyl it now directs to this:
(Or was there more than one?)

Quote:
353. The Wish

WELL then! I now do plainly see
This busy world and I shall ne'er agree.
The very honey of all earthly joy
Does of all meats the soonest cloy;
And they, methinks, deserve my pity 5
Who for it can endure the stings,
The crowd and buzz and murmurings,
Of this great hive, the city.

Ah, yet, ere I descend to the grave
May I a small house and large garden have; 10
And a few friends, and many books, both true,
Both wise, and both delightful too!
And since love ne'er will from me flee,
A Mistress moderately fair,
And good as guardian angels are, 15
Only beloved and loving me.

O fountains! when in you shall I
Myself eased of unpeaceful thoughts espy?
O fields! O woods! when, when shall I be made
Thy happy tenant of your shade? 20
Here 's the spring-head of Pleasure's flood:
Here 's wealthy Nature's treasury,
Where all the riches lie that she
Has coin'd and stamp'd for good.

Pride and ambition here 25
Only in far-fetch'd metaphors appear;
Here nought but winds can hurtful murmurs scatter,
And nought but Echo flatter.
The gods, when they descended, hither
From heaven did always choose their way: 30
And therefore we may boldly say
That 'tis the way too thither.

Hoe happy here should I
And one dear She live, and embracing die!
She who is all the world, and can exclude 35
In deserts solitude.
I should have then this only fear:
Lest men, when they my pleasures see,
Should hither throng to live like me,
And so make a city here. 40


~cem

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Anonymous wrote:
http://www.bartleby.com/101/353.html
Has changed, instead of the information on the sibyl it now directs to this:
(Or was there more than one?)...
~cem


If you are talking about the tunnel1 path there are ten pages we have found, the Abraham Cowley poem on this page being one of them.
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Magesteff wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
http://www.bartleby.com/101/353.html
Has changed, instead of the information on the sibyl it now directs to this:
(Or was there more than one?)...
~cem


If you are talking about the tunnel1 path there are ten pages we have found, the Abraham Cowley poem on this page being one of them.


Oh okay....my mistake I think in chat someone provided a link to a Bartleby/Bulfinch/Sibyl page and I assumed that it was the Bartleby page we were getting from the tunnel. Then when I actually went there and got The Wish poem page, I thought it had changed. Smile

~cem

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 		the Wish Poem and those numbers
Anonymous wrote:
http://www.bartleby.com/101/353.html
Has changed, instead of the information on the sibyl it now directs to this:
(Or was there more than one?)

Quote:
353. The Wish

WELL then! I now do plainly see
This busy world and I shall ne'er agree.
The very honey of all earthly joy
Does of all meats the soonest cloy;
And they, methinks, deserve my pity 5
Who for it can endure the stings,
The crowd and buzz and murmurings,
Of this great hive, the city.

Ah, yet, ere I descend to the grave
May I a small house and large garden have; 10
And a few friends, and many books, both true,
Both wise, and both delightful too!
And since love ne'er will from me flee,
A Mistress moderately fair,
And good as guardian angels are, 15
Only beloved and loving me.

O fountains! when in you shall I
Myself eased of unpeaceful thoughts espy?
O fields! O woods! when, when shall I be made
Thy happy tenant of your shade? 20
Here 's the spring-head of Pleasure's flood:
Here 's wealthy Nature's treasury,
Where all the riches lie that she
Has coin'd and stamp'd for good.

Pride and ambition here 25
Only in far-fetch'd metaphors appear;
Here nought but winds can hurtful murmurs scatter,
And nought but Echo flatter.
The gods, when they descended, hither
From heaven did always choose their way: 30
And therefore we may boldly say
That 'tis the way too thither.

Hoe happy here should I
And one dear She live, and embracing die!
She who is all the world, and can exclude 35
In deserts solitude.
I should have then this only fear:
Lest men, when they my pleasures see,
Should hither throng to live like me,
And so make a city here. 40


~cem


Are the numbers in the poem or is that something that they normally do to number poetry. I think that they do but not for sure.
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 		the Wish Poem and those numbers
Anonymous wrote:
http://www.bartleby.com/101/353.html
Has changed, instead of the information on the sibyl it now directs to this:
(Or was there more than one?)

Quote:
353. The Wish

WELL then! I now do plainly see
This busy world and I shall ne'er agree.
The very honey of all earthly joy
Does of all meats the soonest cloy;
And they, methinks, deserve my pity 5
Who for it can endure the stings,
The crowd and buzz and murmurings,
Of this great hive, the city.

Ah, yet, ere I descend to the grave
May I a small house and large garden have; 10
And a few friends, and many books, both true,
Both wise, and both delightful too!
And since love ne'er will from me flee,
A Mistress moderately fair,
And good as guardian angels are, 15
Only beloved and loving me.

O fountains! when in you shall I
Myself eased of unpeaceful thoughts espy?
O fields! O woods! when, when shall I be made
Thy happy tenant of your shade? 20
Here 's the spring-head of Pleasure's flood:
Here 's wealthy Nature's treasury,
Where all the riches lie that she
Has coin'd and stamp'd for good.

Pride and ambition here 25
Only in far-fetch'd metaphors appear;
Here nought but winds can hurtful murmurs scatter,
And nought but Echo flatter.
The gods, when they descended, hither
From heaven did always choose their way: 30
And therefore we may boldly say
That 'tis the way too thither.

Hoe happy here should I
And one dear She live, and embracing die!
She who is all the world, and can exclude 35
In deserts solitude.
I should have then this only fear:
Lest men, when they my pleasures see,
Should hither throng to live like me,
And so make a city here. 40


~cem


Are the numbers in the poem or is that something that they normally do to number poetry. I think that they do but not for sure.
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 		spec sybil
[quote="cemgate2002"]I tried this...but maybe there's a variant spelling. Off to bed:)

Quote:
The Cumaean Sibyl was beautiful girl named Deiphobe




What if the sybil is the girl at EOTW?
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StarkRavingMad wrote:
Interestingly enough, Saint Beregonne doesn't appear to be a saint (or at least I couldn't turn him up on Google), but the name of a street in a story by Jean Ray:

Quote:
Now, La ruelle tenebreuse-- I'm willing to grant that a ruelleis probably more at "alley" than "street", but it loses the swing of the earlier title. Still, Van Calenbergh has done a fine job with the text as a whole, so "Tenebrous Alley" it is. Those of you who are curious about Lowell Bair's translation of "The Shadowy Street" can find it also in Hartwell's FOUNDATIONS OF FEAR (and its paperback breakdown volume SHADOWS OF FEAR), & in Marvin Kaye's DON'T OPEN THIS BOOK ("The Mainz Psalter" is in his WITCHES & WARLOCKS anthology).
I guess the synopsis from my old Ghoulsarticle is still good:
[/b]




Well it is sort of a shadowy street....and the figure looks like a shadow....
And the St Beregonne's Lane in the story is a place which is only seen at certain times by the initiated.

~cem

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 		Re: the Wish Poem and those numbers
Sunny du Pree wrote:

Are the numbers in the poem or is that something that they normally do to number poetry. I think that they do but not for sure.


Yes, the numbers are a standard thing for those who review and critique poetry, but I haven't seen such since my honors english high school days.

It helps people follw along with you when you speak about line xyz having certain elements. When this was quoted I think the formatting got a bit twisted, the numbers are supposed to be offset at the end of the line about an inch or so.

The numbers are just a reference tool for us to use when talking about this poem (or any others).
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