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[Halo 2] [SPEC/SPOILERS] Halo 2 NOT Over? - The Facts
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[Halo 2] [SPEC/SPOILERS] Halo 2 NOT Over? - The Facts

DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT FINISHED HALO 2

Rumors on forums all over the web are going on about this image of a magazine with a large image of the Master Chief and the title "Halo 2 - It's Not Over Yet!", beneath this was the subtitle "We bring you the facts about Halo 2, and how it ISN'T over". At least, that's what I think it said, it's something along those lines.

Anyway, we all know what Bungie is like with their games, they end them on cliffhangers. But Halo 2, the ending was an abrupt cliffhanger. We learnt a lot about the Halo universe, but the central plot, how the Covenant attacked Earth, was left unfinished. We never found out WHY they came to Earth, and now a whole Covenant armada is back and wiping out what little was left of mankind. Now, I know what most of you are thinking, it was an abrupt ending but it worked. However, thinking about it, I am beggining to wonder if we really have seen the last of the Master Chief and Arbitor.

Many people have said that at the end of the Legendary credits was a line with a date or something. I do NOT believe this is true, I have a lot of faith in Bungie. However, there is one piece of evidence that is so obvious, it says a lot to me.

Did any of you read the Halo 2 interviews over at Gamespy.com? If not, go read this interview of Nile Rodgers. Now, he is the producer of Halo 2's soundtrack. One thing that stands out on the case of the soundtrack is Volume 1. Now, sanity (what little I have) suggests that if you do not plan on making other volumes, you do not place this sort of text on your CD case. That Gamespy interview above? Nile Rodgers talks about how he is working on [B]Volume 2[B].

Those of us that own the Halo 2 soundtrack can tell you that not even half of those songs made it onto the game. And what songs that are on the game are on Volume 1. There are no songs left to make a soundtrack about, and if there were, it would only be one or two-not fit for their own 'volume'. This suggests to me that not only will we get a second Halo 2 soundtrack, but a second Halo 2.

The Bungie guys are quite creative, and I could imagine that if they did release a "Halo 2.5" or "Halo 2, Volume 2", it would NOT be for download off XBOX live. The expansion slot on the back of the XBOX controller was designed to do exactly that-game expansion packs in a cartridge form, uploaded onto the XBOX hard-disk or played directly from the expansion slot. Bungie has already said they have completed the Halo 2 project and are moving on to something else. Who is to say an expansion pack wasn't part of their plan the whole time. More multiplayer levels, more singleplayer campaign, maybe even some of those Warthogs that didn't make it into "Volume 1".

If I know bungie, they have something big planned for Halo 2-and if not Halo 2, then Halo 3. But the fact alone that we have a "Soundtrack Volume 2" on the way with no more music on the game to be turned into a soundtrack... it says a lot.

Hey, one can hope, right?
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Wow, interesting theory.

A few plot specs in response:
I think most of the beekeepers here are absolutely positive that the ILB "artifact" and its EMP are what drew the Covenant to Earth in the first place, even though it wasn't explained as such in the game. Everyone is spec'ing that the ship that Master Chief stows away on at the end is the "Ark" that 343 Guilty Spark refers to, being a logical allegory to Noah's Ark, a massive ship which was used to survive God's Flood.

The allegory makes sense, but I honestly don't think that it's correct. If it was, then there'd be absolutely no reason for the Prophet to take it to Earth; he could activate the 6 remaining rings as soon as he boarded. Instead, I think it's fairly obvious that the Ark is the artifact described in ilovebees; the smash-cut to Earth immediately after 343 GS is asked the location of the Ark and he doesn't answer, I think, is very strong support of this idea, as is the fact that Cortana didn't seem to know how or why the Covenant had found or come to Earth either, being that the Artifact was not reported and held in secret by high ranking Navy personel. True, having the artifact as the Ark doesn't carry the direct allegory of being a ship, but I don't believe that that weakens the allegorical connection; directly linking things object for object is kind of...unoriginal, and almost certainly below Bungie's standards.

It's at this point at Halo 2's closing that it's blatantly obvious that the story's not over, which most assuredly means that another game is coming. Whether it's an expansion as you've speculated or a new incarnation as Halo 3 I won't pretend to know, but I will say that another Halo adventure is probably inescapable.

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ThaJinx wrote:
...but I will say that another Halo adventure is probably inescapable.


And I think we all pray that is true. Microsoft AND Bungie would be crazy to release XBOX 2 without a Halo game by its side to really push the new console to its limits.
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DM wrote:
ThaJinx wrote:
...but I will say that another Halo adventure is probably inescapable.


And I think we all pray that is true. Microsoft AND Bungie would be crazy to release XBOX 2 without a Halo game by its side to really push the new console to its limits.


And if it's not a launch title, there will be some very upset NeXtBox owners out there. Which brings up a valid problem: Bungie has less than two years (one, maybe even) to create and complete Halo 3. Now, don't get me wrong, I think that's plenty of time to create a new game on the same engine and same machine, and throw out something with only a little new or extra (I'm talking to you, EA), but I don't think that's something any of us want or need from our third Halo installment.

This leads me to believe one of two things is plausible: Either we see A) a Halo 2.5 expansion, as speculated above (though I think a Live download is possible, I bet we see a disk like Ghost Recon Island Thunder), or B) Bungie is going to be upset about having to throw away lots of things slated to go in H3 just like they did for H2.

I really don't like either of these options. I hope Bungie makes sound decisions either way, and best of luck to them on completing their story with Bungie quality, as opposed to EA quality.
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Hey, DM - can you provide a link for the mag cover? I'd like to see this one...
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also any idea what magazine it is? the lack of details once again point me to the 'far-fetched rumor' column.
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This magazine has been discussed at halo.bungie.org.

Essentially, the ad line is for a multiplayer guide by the magazine.
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If you look at the select level screen once you've completed the game, there is what seems to be enough space for one more level. This could be one gigantic DLC level to let the MC "finish what he started".

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They're making another Halo game. It will be for the NextBox.
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Soundtrack

The soundtrack being released later was always planned. The explanation that I heard was that there was not enough time to add all of the finished soundtrack to a CD before launch so there would be two CDs. Both would make up all of the halo music, and since there aren't two CDs worth of music in the game they planned to have "music inspired by" halo 2 from other artists.

AFAIK The slots in the controller were not designed or intended to hold cartridge base games, they were designed to hold accessories: memory cards, live communicator, and keyboard adapter are the ones currently used back there. Cartridges that hold anywhere near as much information as DVDs are way too prohibitively expensive to use. That's why Nintendo switched to DVDs.

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There is not another single player mission on the disc. The disk has been cracked, its entire contents looked over. There is not another level that goes in the slot. Besides, there is always "what looks like a spot for another _______" in every game for some reason or another...

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The magazine was XBOX World, I don't have a link to the magazine cover anymore, but if it was an advert for a multiplayer guide-it wasn't advertised well. The way I read it, was that it wasn't news of a continuation of an article within the magazine, but an article ABOUT the continuation of Halo 2.

The soundtrack, yeah, I just read a newspaper article about it, but it still confuses me as to where they would get the other music from. In the article, it says other work by the "Sound Team" at Bungie. This could be anything, music from the origional Halo, or even sound effects-though I doubt anybody would buy a CD entitled "Sound effects from the Halo universe".

And as for the controller ports, if you still have your XBOX manual, look at the controller section. It's entitled "Expansion Ports", and in my manual at least, it says the ports are multi-functional, from expansion packs for games, or extra memory for save games.

As for what HBO said about it, that is the magazine I looked at, and I am quite peeved at XBOXWorld, to put it mildly. Still, I hope that what Bungie said about "worrying about a good story" was true.
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TridenT wrote:
And if it's not a launch title, there will be some very upset NeXtBox owners out there. Which brings up a valid problem: Bungie has less than two years (one, maybe even) to create and complete Halo 3. Now, don't get me wrong, I think that's plenty of time to create a new game on the same engine and same machine, and throw out something with only a little new or extra (I'm talking to you, EA), but I don't think that's something any of us want or need from our third Halo installment.


When Microsoft needs a talented developer to rush a sequel for launch, I do this: Sad

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I don't think we'll be seeing Halo 3 anytime soon. If you look here, it looks like they are doing an update. There's even a mention of a deadline, which I think is the Feb 9th thing. If they are updating it, I think it'll either be a campaign extension, a general update, and/or we'll see some extra multiplayer stuff.

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Bungie technically made halo 2 in about a year and a half, since they didn't actually have any work done on it until after E3 2003. They're the masters of speeding through a game's programming, apparently, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were able to make a Halo 3 in this time frame.

Did anyone else note that Mercy told the Chief that "this time, none of you will survive"? Or something like that, I can't remember verbatim-either way, it was implied that the humans as we know them survived the last firing of the ring, and that the prophets hold that against them. Then there's the whole thing where the prophets refuse to allow the humans to join the covenant, despite the Elites' view that they were incredibly tenacious, strategic, and resourceful fighters, despite inferior technology. Add that to the fact that only a human can act as Reclaimer, and it adds credence to my view of humans being descended from Forerunners, which leads me to the conclusion that the prophets must consider humans "unworthy forerunners" or something that were left behind, and deserve to be exterminated.
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