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[LOCKED] [Sable & Shuck] A game in the vein of :K:?
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Slithy
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Psemmusa wrote:
Could the IU / UI Java doohickey on sableshuck.com & hwau.com be a reference to Immersion Unlimited? Apologies if I'm trouting but I did reread and haven't spotted it so far.

serendipity wrote:
...of the comments in all five books, I and U are the only two underlined


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Yep, I think we just found the clues that we weren't supposed to take too literally. Wink


BTW, thanks to cryurchin for noticing that the door was open! Very Happy

~Slithy
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digi
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 		Wow I've been up 10 minutes checked the site and it seems to have gone into overdrive.

forigive me for being slow and new to this whole ARG thin, but where did you find this information? I've just been to the new pathway travel site and can't find any info on jons travel plans.

A hint if possible please folks.

/EDIT: Nevermind folks was just my newly awakened brain wasn't acapable of moving my mouse properly.

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Slithy
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 		The following paragraph from the Babel webpage piqued my curiosity:
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Hitting the headlines again thanks to Borges' short story about our famous library, Babel is set to become the venue for academic conferences, research breaks, mathematical seminars and theosophical forums.

So I did a bit of research, and this is what I found:
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A detailed description of the Library of Babel can be found here:
http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/library_of_babel.html

An interactive simulation of the library can be found here:
http://www.tlon.com/TLibrary_F/simBabel.html#Top


Interesting stuff.

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 		I've gone over all the books and can't really find anything major to add, but I thought I'd dumo some thoughts up in case it gives anybody else a hand.

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Devils Island:

Someone did the hornchurch crossword and was surprised by the result, maybe we missed an earlier clue?

Babel:

One of the entries says "All the latin I assumed to be meaningless turned out to have purpose after all." This is right next to the "Ophidia in herbia"
Which someone translated, though I couldn't find anything myself on it. I feel that it may be a big hint, but I can't see how, unless it's pointing out that the man in black is evil? but we already know that! so confused.

One of the comments says that they cant talk about how they felt about the place for contract reasons. The Man in Black perhaps following Jon? Or maybe his sister?

Nazca:

Someone looking for jon was here because of the reward, though he wasn't to be found, nor any information leading to his whereabouts.

Daniel 5 seems to be a referance to a code that be unlocked or needs to be deciphered. In the story only Daniel can read it. Though the actual story other than that seems irrelevant.

Asgard:

The anagram is killing me. Did the same as superjerms and went through every one the site gave, which was thousands, and couldn't find anything. My brain hurts and so do my eyes.

"The worth of a thing is what it will bring" is here twice.

Elysian Fields:

Daniel 5 again.

anamnesis chamber: Anamnesis means rememberance.

So thats that then. There appears to be at least two other people on the trail. One is in it for the money and one doesn't understand what they've seen, but knows what's seen them has understood.

Sorry for rambling on yet again, but I find it gets things sorted in my head to put them up where people can see them.


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 		sorry for double post, browser went weird.

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 		From Babel:

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"Never thought maths would be such fun. Congratulations to. The owners and agencies involved. So nice to have. Space."


Spacebar? Or again, too literal? Also, another comment on the use of Aleph in maths- specifically mathamatical philosophy?

I've a feeling this suddenly got very hard... Confused

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digi
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 		i rad slithy's link about the library of babel. All the rooms are hexagonal. So how can room 44 be square? Seems like a clue, but again I don't see how.

Could the .Space. Have something to do with outer space?

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simonjp
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 		I've found this on the Aleph number:

Wiki entry

Now, would anyone care to translate it into English?

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 		just wanted to say a big wow to everyone who jumped on this so damn quickly! its awesome. i realised that i was hooked when i started roting page 21 of a selection of books from the library of babel...its doesnt work (yet!) lol Razz

i don't have anything to add yet, i did similar sorts of research last night as to what's been posted. aleph is pretty important i'm thinking, but the englishness of that wikpedia entry is doubtful (as is the use of the word englishness me thinks). i'll try and find something with a bit more choherency (i know some physics students who might be able to help).

right then im off to look at the crossword again. laters ladies and gentlemen...

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 		the set of all integers is of a size called aleph null --- the set of all points in a line (interval) is called aleph one --- this is not quite right cos thats also called C and i'm not sure of the proof that C=aleph one --- next you get the set of all functions -F or aleph two etc -- each cannot be mapped to the previous and is therefore another class of infinity Laughing
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 		aleph is god!

http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/library_of_babel.html:

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The idealists argue that the hexagonal rooms are a necessary form of absolute space or, at least, of our intuition of space. They reason that a triangular or pentagonal room is inconceivable. (The mystics claim that their ecstasy reveals to them a circular chamber containing a great circular book, whose spine is continuous and which follows the complete circle of the walls; but their testimony is suspect; their words, obscure. This cyclical book is God.) Let it suffice now for me to repeat the classic dictum: The Library is a sphere whose exact center is any one of its hexagons and whose circumference is inaccessible.


http://martinamis.albion.edu/aleph.htm

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The significance of "The Aleph" does not stop here. In Borges's story, the aleph is "a sphere whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere. . . .one of the points in space that contains all other points."1 A paradox, in other words: a center without a center. For Borges, it symbolizes the nothingness of the individual ego, and the corresponding idea that the one is the all--that the microcosm contains the macrocosm.


could be wrong, but its pretty important i think.[/quote]

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digi wrote:
i rad slithy's link about the library of babel. All the rooms are hexagonal. So how can room 44 be square? Seems like a clue, but again I don't see how.

Room 441 is square in the sense that it is the square of another number (i.e. 21 * 21 = 441).

This seems to tie in with the other clue which went along the lines of "21/21 perfect" - the number 441 is a perfect square.

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 		More "21". It seems to be very important...

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 		I went and found a site with the The Aleph by borges

http://www.phinnweb.com/links/literature/borges/aleph.html

I read it and can't find anything of any use.

Plus my eyes are killing, what I wouldn't give for a printer Shocked

Exergete: Ah, I misread the number. Thanks for clearing that up

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 		ok ive been hitting the hornchurch crossword answers. the first letters of the answers to be precise:

the letters in alphabetical order (they rot-ed to form nothing) with the amount of times they occur:

Aa - 2
B - 1
Ccc - 3
Ddd - 3
Eee - 3
G - 1
Hhhh - 4
I - 1
J - 1
M - 1
O - 1
Pp - 2
Rrr - 3
Sssss -5
Tt -2

the letter in alphabetical order numerically with number of occurences(a=1 b=2 etc.) starts off looking like fibonnaci sequence:

1 1 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 3 3 3 7 8 8 8 8 9 10 13 15 16 16 18 18 18 19 19 19 19 19 20 20

letters in alphabetical order numerically with number of occurences ignored (everything up to 21 im noting):

1 2 3 4 3 7 8 9 10 13 15 16 18 19 20

letters in alphabetical order number of occurences ignored (rot-ing produces nothing):

a b c d c g h i j m o p r s t

im not getting anything from this but thought id post my work 2 help anyone else pursuing similar lines of enquiry

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