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fraktal
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Oh yeah...I remember reading it now. duh...
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:29 pm
Darkman
Greenhorn
Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Posts: 6
Program Not Up
can it be:-
A prompt or a gun
Anyone else any ideas?
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:47 pm
Slithy
Veteran
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 108 Location: Lying in a burned out basement, with the full moon in my eyes.
I found something last night while browsing through the Hilbert's Hotel - Babel guest register. I posted it to our wiki: http://deaddrop.us/wiki/index.php/PT.com:_Flash_Books
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
HINT: It's the entry with IBIDEM for the solve.
~Slithy
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:20 pm
BlndPg
Greenhorn
Joined: 12 Dec 2004 Posts: 7
Somebody please confirm or deny this if possible...
Compare the following two images; Jon's writing on the wall above his desk and the long entry in the Hilbert's book, "Initially, I found...Many thanks again."
When you specifically look at certain letters, they strongly indicate the handwriting is the same (most notably if you look at the following letters; "b, e, h, k, or y"). IS IT JON'S WRITING??
This would suggest that Jon visited Hilbert's (which perfectly explains the missing book) and gives us an excellent clue... IBIDEM (meaning "in the same place"... thanks to Slithy). What is "in the same place??"
ALSO, look at the both the letter Brigid sent out on Dec. 2 (I think) and the quote from her somewhere else in this forum. Notice that she put an "x" after her name both times. People tend to develop odd habits like that (I always circle my initials whenever I use them). There is an entry into the book at Gray's Lodge that may match, "Wholly refreshing. Thanks for having me. X". If it is in fact Brigid, this means she has written a contract with S&S herself.
I apologize in advance if one or both of my contributions is flawed, however I suspect it could lead in the right direction
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:04 pm
maidmaz1984
Greenhorn
Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Oxford UK
Entry in Hilbert's guestbook I too have thought the entry is written in Jon's writing. He says he's written about his stay in a journal- is it possible the journal is in the safe in the hiding room? If not where is the journal? Is it something we should be looking for? Mmmmmmmmm............
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:03 pm
chivalrous rob
Boot
Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 12 Location: Melbourne
Given the IBIDEM entry in the guestbook mentions everything being 'noted down in my journal', perhaps the book in the safe is his journal? In any case, I think Jon's journal would be a useful item to have.
[edit] Looks like I should take less than 5 minutes to write my posts then... sorry mate.
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:08 pm
BlndPg
Greenhorn
Joined: 12 Dec 2004 Posts: 7
Something I find curious...
All of the names used so far have some meaning, even the seemingly obsure Frances Griffiths who was one of the witnesses to the Man in Black sighting.
Inside the Gray's Lodge book at Devil's Lake there is a page that starts off with, "Mina and I..." Mina Harker was Jonathan Harker's wife (in Bram Stoker's "Dracula").
How is this important? I have no idea, though everything seems to be done with reason. Here's an idea...
If Jon really does have a missing journal, could this somehow be a clue? Maybe Mina's name is used to make us think more about "Dracula". Although I have never read it, I know there are many references to Jonathan and Mina Harker's journals. Could there be something in the story that could provide a clue on the the whereabouts of Jon's journal?
Maybe someone more familiar with the story has some better ideas. Or, I could just be grasping at straws here.
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 10:10 pm
miss_seph
Unfettered
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 395 Location: New Zealand
If it is infact a clue, then I think the "i was hoping to BOOK FROM HOME next time" might just be another clue for 'look in the books at home' which is where we are all sitting in the hiding room at the moment...
otherwise it might mean something completely different.
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:07 pm
alcofribas
Veteran
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 131 Location: England
Anagram [quote="SuperJerms"]Refreshing the book pages changes their content, so it might be a red herring to ascribe certain entries to certain books.
Aside from that, there is also an entry that reads, "Program Not Up (A. Ragman).
A.Ragman is an anagram for "Anagram." Here are the only coherent three word anagrams I have found so far:
group map torn
top UN program
popgun mortar
no program put
put on program
grant our pomp
poor tramp gun
goat porn rump
our tampon RPG
UN pot program
tug Roman prop
There were waaaay too many results to look through if you look at more than three word sentences.[/quote]
Not sure if this is correct but think the answer maybe:-
[spoiler]Portman Group - Interbrew (AKA Stella Artois) is a member of this group - link to site
www.portman-group.org.uk/about/131.asp[/spoiler]
Apologies if this has already been posted - i did search but couldn't see it anywhere
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:45 am
Cryptic_celt
Boot
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Ireland
Well spotted alcofribas.
Of course Stella would have to have some line on alcohol use/misuse thrown in somewhere.
In relation to SuperJems assertion that the pages are randomly generated I don't think this is quite true (I'm not much into decompiling swf files but hey heres my 2c worth ). The location of the messages within each guestbook may change but I'm sure the same twenty messages are displayed in each book each time . I've cleaned my cache etc to check this and it holds true the few times I've done it.
I think there may be linkages between some of the guestbooks but this is only speculation. Two of the books contain the rot-12 red herring messages and include no other 'useful information'. Two of the books contain the same four messages whilst the other three contain either none or only one of the four messages.
The 'shape' of a lot of the messages in the books seemed forced but I cannot put my finger onthat yet except to say that in Asgard the 'I came here in search of a man.. message resembles the number matrix 'A....T...' elsewhere in that book.
A question I haven't been able to solve yet is in Babel:
'I am very G lad to have come here in the PM '
Is it telling us to look at the capital letters in the rest of the entries? or is there something else? I n G ame P uppetM aster?
Thats all my muddlings for now.
Always,
The Cryptic Celt.
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:40 am
alcofribas
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Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 131 Location: England
re the entry in Hilbert's Hotel register
"Never thought Maths would be such fun. Congratulations to. The owners and agencies involved. So nice to have. Space."
clutching at straws again but maybe...
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
the full stops are in funny places, particularly ".space. "
dot space dot = "o" in morse code
don't know much about morse code - but nothing else seems to substantiate this theory in the rest of paragraph - didn't know if anyone else might make anything of it
if it was "o" or "0" = zero - this might tie in with another entry which says "nothing is here"
sorry for the meanderings - just thinking in cyberspace
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:50 am
passerby
Guest
correct me if im wrong, but from
http://www.babbage.demon.co.uk/morseabc.html
dot space dot = R
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:38 am
skarob
Boot
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 15
dot space dot is EE.
R is dot dash dot.
i think this is a bit of dead end
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:05 am
Cryptic_celt
Boot
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Ireland
As far as I'm concerned, that message with the interesting sentence breaks, full stops, and capital letters is just a BIG hint to tell us to look closely at the other entries in the guestbook and Remark at the Initial Letters in the Sentences. Couple of other clues to this in the guestbook too. I especially like "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
However, I haven't found any 'useful' information in any of the other books, though the numer matrix does hold possibilities
Always,
The Cryptic Celt
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:35 am
Daysun
Boot
Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 13
OK, so perhaps I may have figured one thing out - the anagram:
Program Not Up (A. Ragman)
I realized that I could almost make the word 'Purgatory', except for the missing 'y', so then I attempted the following:
PURGATOR PONM
PURGAT PRONOM
PURGAR PONTOM
PURGA PRONTOM!!
PURGAM PRONTO!!!! - I believe this is Portugese - when I ran it through the Babelfish translator it said that this means "They purge soon." Am I crazy? Is this what they were intending? Am I at least close?
Does it help me in any way so far? No. I tried it in the mezzanine door and the contract - to no avail. I'd love to hear other thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:06 pm
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