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[THEMES] Fibonacci, Golden Ratio, Marlowe reference at HCS
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trevdak
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 		[THEMES] Fibonacci, Golden Ratio, Marlowe reference at HCS
I basically spoiled this in the headline but i don't think it gives any clues or anything... If I did something wrong, let me know, this is my first time ever taking part in an ARG.
Go to www.hornchurchstar.com, click weather, click webcam.
Right-click the webcam image and click 'copy image location'
The image will be webcam_day#.jpg, with # as a number.
Change the number to 8...
http://www.hornchurchstar.com/webcam/webcam_day8.jpg
You see the marlowe.com site in the background, overlaid by the fibonacci spiral, where squares of the size of fibonacci nubmers are laid out to form the golden ratio and a spiral over and over again.



/first time posting, so go easy on me.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:10 am
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trevdak
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 		fibonacci numbers
For those curious, all the fibonacci numbers within reason can be found here.
http://www.cif.rochester.edu/~trevdak/fib.html

PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:29 am
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mei
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 		Personally I think we should take a better look at the fibonacci numbers, the fibonacci spiral and the "perfect square". There are to many clues for me to disregard this. Here's what I've found.

The perfect square, some quotes fromthis site:

A perfect square dissection is when a square can be dissected into smaller squares, no two of which are equal. ... The smallest solution is the 21-square dissection ... It has a side of 112.

Note that 21*21=441, remember the "I love room 441"?

Next I was searching for more info on the Fibunacci numbers, I found this site.

On the bottom of the page it says:

The first perfect square in the Fibonacci series, 144, is number 12 in the series and its square root is 12!

Duijvestijns perfect square is 441, Fibonacci's perfect square is 144. Coincidence or not?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:21 pm
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Seej
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 		Bear in mind, the square root of 441 is our old friend 21 (another Fibonacci number, the date of the equinox, and the day we received emails telling us our souls were worth dick).

The Marlowe Digital stuff behind the Fibonacci spiral has been mentioned elsewhere though......

PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:47 pm
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drauh
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mei wrote:
Next I was searching for more info on the Fibunacci numbers, I found this site.

On the bottom of the page it says:

The first perfect square in the Fibonacci series, 144, is number 12 in the series and its square root is 12!

Duijvestijns perfect square is 441, Fibonacci's perfect square is 144. Coincidence or not?


i think that most of the numerology will be a dead end. there are just endless coincidences with integers and the arithmetic operations one performs on them. this one that you point out is particularly nice: not only are the roots related palindromically, viz. 12 and 21, but so are their squares: 144 and 441.

let's see: prime factorizations -- 12 = 2x2x3 ; 21 = 3x7 = 3x(3+4) = 3x(2+2+3)

also,
12 -> 1+2 = 3 ; 21 -> 2+1 = 3
144 -> 1+4+4 = 9 = 3x3 = 3^2
441 -> 4+4+1 = 9 = 3x3 = 3^2


i mean, there is a long history of numerologically "significant" numbers, dating back at least to 666 in the bible. so far, the clues seem to have been not so obscure as requiring some unknown sequence of arithmetic operations on some unknown set of small integers with some unknown special properties. there have been people who've made a decent amount of money selling numerology.

anyway, here's a simple bit of python (cribbed from the net) to print out fibonacci sequences of arbitrary length, beginning with 0, and partial sums of the fibonacci sequences (i.e. sums from the first to the 'current' term in the fibonacci seq):

Code:
#!/usr/bin/env python

from __future__ import generators
import sys
import string

def fib():
  x = 0
  y = 1
  while 1:
    yield x
    x,y = y,x+y

if __name__ == "__main__":
  g = fib()
  print "Fibonacci: "
  for i in range(string.atoi(sys.argv[1])):
    print "%5d" % g.next(),

  g = fib()
  x = 0
  print "\n\nPartial sums of Fib: "
  for i in range(string.atoi(sys.argv[1])):
    x += g.next()
    print "%5d" % x,


example output:

Code:
> ./fibsum.py 13
Fibonacci:
    0     1     1     2     3     5     8    13    21    34    55    89   144

Partial sums of Fib:
    0     1     2     4     7    12    20    33    54    88   143   232   376

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mei
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drauh wrote:

i think that most of the numerology will be a dead end. there are just endless coincidences with integers and the arithmetic operations one performs on them.


I guess you're right. Maybe we dont have to dig in ..

What strikes me though is that the numbers are eachothers opposite. Just as the flash-test on S&S, where you had to draw the fibonacci spiral in the opposite direction. On hornchurchstar.com you can read a story written by Hop Nevuel. Backwards it spells Leuven.

But then again, it could all just be a complete red herring...

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 		Hop Nevuel
Is "hop" in English also the word for one of the ingredients you need for brewing beer? Because in Dutch it is... Might be nice to know, otherwise consider this none-posted.

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Mac
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 		I'm dutch as well, checked it with babelfish, it translated hop to hops so virtually the same I guess
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simonjp
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 		Yes, fr_janis and Mac, Hops are one of the 3 ingredients for beer. Hops, yeast and malt barley.

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Mac
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 		OFFTOPIC!!!
Offtopic!!

<pretending to be Homer> Hmmmm BEER
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demiurge
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 		Things that didn't work...
Looks like the S&S login id's are all 8 digit hexadecimal numbers.

Figured I'd try the fibonacci numbers that would translate into 8-digit hex numbers as logins.

There are about 1/2 dozen of them, and I got NOwhere with any of 'em. Smile

-D

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krafte
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 		do you know faustian's witch kitchen where the witch brews a potion with the so called "HEXEN EINMALEINS" which leds to the magical square.

I dunno a english translation i have only a german site (i'm german Smile) http://www.faust.cc/faust-de/cd1/songs/hexen.htm

perhabs that could be a decode algorithm for some puzzels

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