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johnny5
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Phaedra wrote:

Wouldn't it be ironic if I threadjacked this thread?


IF?

It has begun.....

Maybe I'll help it along...What are the moral implications of voting for yourself? Does that create a paradox?
no, I won't do it...

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angelo
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Phaedra wrote:
Wouldn't it be ironic if I threadjacked this thread?


You, threadjack a thread? I can't imagine...
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rose
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 		write in votes
Shad0 I was joking about the write-in campaign. I couldn't even chose a favorite to nominate for a write-in, which makes the whole thing ridiculous. It was fun looking back through the list of waves and remembering how I felt the first time I heard them. My hatred for Thin is unabated. (even though he is now a "dead" fictional character from the future with no power to hurt the "living" fictional characters from the future, assuming those living fictional characters have a "life" as their story has ended. )

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Clayfoot
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Phaedra wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
How does Melissa thread jack? Unless you count SP posts on ILB....creepy.


SEE! Shocked

Told you it was rigged. Wink

Wouldn't it be ironic if I threadjacked this thread?
It would only be ironic if we didn't expect you to do it.
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Gestas
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gkrohne wrote:
Phaedra wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
How does Melissa thread jack? Unless you count SP posts on ILB....creepy.


SEE! Shocked

Told you it was rigged. Wink

Wouldn't it be ironic if I threadjacked this thread?
It would only be ironic if we didn't expect you to do it.


Uh oh. I am compelled to answer this, but I don't know which argument to use... so I'll throw them all out there Smile

First - the use of the word ironic to represent an incongruity (yes, I checked Wikipedia before posting Wink) is apparently a deviation from the original use in terms of socratic irony. Thus, using this to defend a word's meaning against yet another change (to fittingly, or occurring humourously) is at least open to challenge Smile
Second - word usage changes over time, and prescriptivists often refuse to recognise this. Some words retain their meaning, and some become the complete opposite (quite ironically Wink), such as artificial (once a compliment, and now subject to pejorative overtones), and awful (once a good thing, meaning full of awe). Others, such as the word gay for example, pick up connotations that never existed.

So, as common usage has defined irony to mean "fittingly" or "strange or humourous", this is by default, the correct way to use it! Its part and parcel of the evolution of languages.

Also, in the above statement, Phaedra's use could mean an unexpected outcome, based on the situation presented, as we move into the realm of dramatic or situational irony. By someone having raised the possibility of threadjacking (which is usually considered negative), we can consider Phaedra to have been super-conscious of this, and to strive not to threadjack. Thus, by attempting not to, but threadjacking anyway, this might be construed as ironic!

However... this thread has now been completely and utterly threadjacked, and I leave it up to you to decide whether that's irony or not!
LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

(For my next trick, watch me defend Alannis Morrisette's song, while I pull a rabbit out of a hat!)

PS. When the English Majors see this and seek to decimate my post, please take pity on me - I try, but I'm a science geek!

(Oh - decimate! Another word that has changed from original meaning!)

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CoffeeJedi
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 		decimate your post? be glad to!!!!
Gestas wrote:

Uh oh. I am compelled to answer this, but don't know which argument to use... so I'll throw all out there Smile

First - the use of the ironic to represent an incongruity (yes, I checked Wikipedia posting Wink) is apparently a deviation from the original in terms of socratic irony. Thus, using this to a word's meaning against yet another change (to fittingly, occurring humourously) is at least open to challenge Smile
- word usage changes over time, and prescriptivists often refuse recognise this. Some words retain their meaning, and some the complete opposite (quite ironically Wink), such as artificial (a compliment, and now subject to pejorative overtones), and (once a good thing, meaning full of awe). Others, as the word gay for example, pick up connotations never existed.

So, as common usage has defined irony mean "fittingly" or "strange or humourous", this is by , the correct way to use it! Its part and of the evolution of languages.

Also, in the above , Phaedra's use could mean an unexpected outcome, based on situation presented, as we move into the realm of or situational irony. By someone having raised the possibility threadjacking (which is usually considered negative), we can consider to have been super-conscious of this, and to strive to threadjack. Thus, by attempting not to, but threadjacking , this might be construed as ironic!

However... this thread now been completely and utterly threadjacked, and I leave it to you to decide whether that's irony or not!
LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

(my next trick, watch me defend Alannis Morrisette's song, I pull a rabbit out of a hat!)

PS. When the English Majors see this and seek to decimate my post, please take pity on me - I try, but I'm a science geek!

(Oh - decimate! Another word that has changed from original meaning!)


hmm, didn't change things that much
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Phaedra
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Gestas wrote:
Also, in the above statement, Phaedra's use could mean an unexpected outcome, based on the situation presented, as we move into the realm of dramatic or situational irony. By someone having raised the possibility of threadjacking (which is usually considered negative), we can consider Phaedra to have been super-conscious of this, and to strive not to threadjack. Thus, by attempting not to, but threadjacking anyway, this might be construed as ironic!


The irony was supposed to be in the form of the question, which implied that I *hadn't* already threadjacked the thread by asking, and was therefore exhibiting restraint, when in fact, by asking the question, I had already done so.
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Phaedra
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
decimate your post? be glad to!!!!


But you didn't, at least you didn't decimate it in the original sense of the word, and I'm feeling originalist today. Twisted Evil

So, without further ado:

Gestas wrote:

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CoffeeJedi
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 		i thought that it meant to kill every tenth man in a line, so 1 out of every 10, you eliminated 9 out of 10

apparently this was the Roman army's way of dealing with mutinies
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Clayfoot
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 		Ironically, this jacked thread is decimating the life out of me.
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Phaedra
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
i thought that it meant to kill every tenth man in a line, so 1 out of every 10, you eliminated 9 out of 10

apparently this was the Roman army's way of dealing with mutinies


I believe the usage was actually "to reduce to one-tenth of the original number."

But now I'll have to go look it up to make sure.
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Phaedra
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 		You were right, I was wrong.

It is "to kill one in ten." Oh well. The above were the words that died, then, rather than the survivors. Smile

It's odd that the meaning that the word has today is so drastic. One in ten is a big loss, yes, but I'm not sure if we lost ten percent of anything these days we would say it had been "decimated."
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 		I think it's more related in today's english with 'decimal' rather than 'deca'... to decimate something tends to be looked upon as making something a fraction of the size it once was... a result of 1 from 10 isn't enough... more like .001 from 10... I dunno Razz but ya, I never looked up the original meaning of decimate, so that's my language tidbit for the day Wink
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