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Sunny du Pree
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 		Re: Hour Glass solved
Barbarellany wrote:
I started thinking about the grid and my message from greywethers - hourglass is
the key.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):

If you start at the middle m in the middle row across as the place where sand flows
through and start making diagonals off from there in all 4 directions you will find
the top is filled with Einstein and the bottom with Minkowski.
Minkowski worked with einstein

http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/minkowski.html

Lightcone is the next page

Konamouse found this source for the quotes form the new page
http://www.umich.edu/~engtt415/myth/
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Yay I knew that the theory of relativity was pertinent but peeps blew me off
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5303&highlight=#5303
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 		Re: lightcone.html
All of the quotes can be found here: http://www.umich.edu/~engtt415/myth/

So we are looking at some sort of time travel?
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 		Re: lightcone.html
kimer wrote:
All of the quotes can be found here: http://www.umich.edu/~engtt415/myth/

So we are looking at some sort of time travel?


Shadowtalk said "transformed..."

That gives us?

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/minkowski.html
"This operation is called a Lorentz transformation..." it is about half way down the page...
and down a bit farther
Quote:
As Minkowski suggested in his quotation, and as we've been doing all along, space and time are shadows of spacetime. In this case, each observer will project shadows of events onto his own worldline (his time axis) and his own plane of simultaneity (his space axes).



So CAROL is a shadow... but of the Future or of the Past?[/quote]
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konamouse
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 		kimer Posted

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All of the quotes can be found here: http://www.umich.edu/~engtt415/myth/


Ah, kimer? Right after Barb found the lightcone and we opened the new page, I found the page with all the quotes and she included it in her spoiler of the solve. Smile

Myssfitz Posted

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What page are you guys talking about?


Guess we don't have to "spoiler" it now.
http://www.greywethers.net/lightcone.html

A picture of a "lightcone" (a three dimensional hourglass shape) and various quotes about linear, great, current and circular time.

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And now I start a one-sided chat (because I cannot get into chat from work)

So, we have one window on StB leading to prophecy.
And now a second window leading to time.

Spec: More windows on the StB page will become active and lead to other "conclusions" that will all be related.......

Hmmmm.....could the greywethers paths and the red disc be related? Is there a connection between the symbols on the disc and these StB paths???

Is there a symbol that could represent the Cumean Sibyl path?
Is there a symbol that could represent the Time Travel path?

Discuss amongst yourselves Razz
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konamouse wrote:

Spec: More windows on the StB page will become active and lead to other "conclusions" that will all be related.......

Hmmmm.....could the greywethers paths and the red disc be related? Is there a connection between the symbols on the disc and these StB paths???

Is there a symbol that could represent the Cumean Sibyl path?
Is there a symbol that could represent the Time Travel path?

Discuss amongst yourselves Razz


I did some more digging on the Lorenz Transformations... his discussion includes... Two Observers (one labled "Cerulean" or Blue, the other "Vermilion" or Red) of a singular event, but because they are on different planes of existence, they experience the arrival of the light at different times. The Red one thinks he sees it before the Blue one (i.e. the Blue one's time is slower) and the Blue one thinks he sees it before the Red one (i.e. Red's time is slower). It all has to do with how the planes of reference intersect the event cone.

It also looks as if Dale has caught up with where the rest of us are..
Quote:

From: <whitehouse@greywethers.net>

To: <dale@synthasia.com>

Subject: re: reply?

Date: 19 June 2003

yes

Quoting "Dale" <dale@synthasia.com>:

> hourglass
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: whitehouseSPLATgreywethers.net [mailto:whitehouse@greywethers.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:56 PM
> To: Dale
> Subject: reply?
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So we shoulod be getting a new direction to look in soon... (If we haven't missed the sign for the next turn.... Maybe we should stop and ask directions.... Laughing )
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.... Lorenz Transformations... his discussion includes... Two Observers (one labled "Cerulean" or Blue, the other "Vermilion" or Red)


Ah hah!! Finally, the blue guide group and the red guide group!

Where did "Lorenz Transformations" come from?
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konamouse wrote:
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.... Lorenz Transformations... his discussion includes... Two Observers (one labled "Cerulean" or Blue, the other "Vermilion" or Red)


Ah hah!! Finally, the blue guide group and the red guide group!

Where did "Lorenz Transformations" come from?


I followed the spoiler page reference where "lightcone" was listed.
http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/minkowski.html


Go about half way down the page... There will be the same bright blue lightcone picture that appears on Greywethers. Right below it is a black picture with purple, white and a greenish yellow/yellowing green lines, a diagram of a Lorenz Transformation. I only caught it because I did a quick scann of the page after reading about the IM conversations with ST1 which used the words "i am transformed."

After that is a sections labled "The Fall of Absolute Time"
which describes how two observers' position and motion relative to a single source/event determines how each expirences both the event and how each sees the other observer experience it. I then did Cluesearch on the word "Lightcone" and got a better description page of it here:

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/simultaneous.html

and from there, here:
http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/centre.html

Which decribes Special Relativity, and the Paradox... And I am probably mixing up who is responsible for which part of the theory....

But that give us a hypothesis' to play with...
Fantasy as an alternate reality that intersects ours at Aglaura.

So, maybe the Wish isn't supposed to be in our timeline, but at an intersecting point, there was a weak spot, and Dale became the recipient of one wish that should have never happened. Dale now remembers it, because one can only forget the wish made in the Reality in which the wish comes from i.e. Dale is moving in the wrong direction, it could be 1 degree off of the Wish's reality, at the intersection things happened (i.e. the accident), but the only lasting things that were things not directly under the wish's control, i.e. Dale's memory lapse wore off, but that does not change the fact that Diana and Meaghan are dead. As long as there is an overlapping area of the two realities' lightcones we can still get bleed though... sort of like the ghost images or conversations you can get on UHF/VHF receivers on TV when bad weather bounces the carrier waves in odd directions (if you are too young to have had anything but cable, ask your parents about it).
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