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[Halo 2] 'The Next Halo' Is Being Worked On!
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DreamOfTheRood
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 		I'm going to call shenanigans on this article. No company is so vile as to do what this article suggests.

They're going to put out a 'remastered' version of Halo 2 on the X-Box 2? I don't buy it. Not for a moment. It would be much smarter for Bungie to put out a Halo 3 (or whatever they're going to call it; it seems to me that the next game won't have anything to do with any Halo, but that's an entirely different issue.) for the NextBox, not put out a revamped version of a game they've already done.
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DreamOfTheRood wrote:
(or whatever they're going to call it; it seems to me that the next game won't have anything to do with any Halo, but that's an entirely different issue.)


Now there's a thought...it will be called "The Ark"

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 		I think the next/final Halo, Halo 3 (not one that simply concludes Halo 2's storyline) will see Cortana somehow manage to evade the 7 year time limit / rampancy and become a near-godlike figure. And no, you probably don't get to fight her, and if you do, you lose.

Reason: The First Cortana Letter.

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I have walked the edge of the Abyss. I have governed the unwilling. I have witnessed countless empires break before me. I have seen the most courageous soldiers fall away in fear.

[I was there with the Angel at the tomb]

I have seen your future. And I have learned. There will be no more Sadness. No more Anger. No more Envy.

I HAVE WON.

Oh, and your poet Eliot had it all wrong: THIS is the way the world ends.

(My italics)

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Mukaikubo wrote:
I think the next/final Halo, Halo 3 (not one that simply concludes Halo 2's storyline) will see Cortana somehow manage to evade the 7 year time limit / rampancy and become a near-godlike figure. And no, you probably don't get to fight her, and if you do, you lose.

Reason: The First Cortana Letter.

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I have walked the edge of the Abyss. I have governed the unwilling. I have witnessed countless empires break before me. I have seen the most courageous soldiers fall away in fear.

[I was there with the Angel at the tomb]

I have seen your future. And I have learned. There will be no more Sadness. No more Anger. No more Envy.

I HAVE WON.

Oh, and your poet Eliot had it all wrong: THIS is the way the world ends.

(My italics)


OH TEH NOESSSS.

Why must the Cortana Letters be brought up over and over again?
They're old. Real old. The guy that wrote them isn't even at Bungie anymore, and it's highly unlikely that Bungie used whatever small contribution he made to the story in the final versions of the games and/or novels.

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 		Even if those letters do not continue to influence the Halo storyline, they seem to be written in a manner that I find delightfully epic. Were those supposedly written by Cortana, or was Cortana quoting someone else?
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DreamOfTheRood wrote:
Even if those letters do not continue to influence the Halo storyline, they seem to be written in a manner that I find delightfully epic. Were those supposedly written by Cortana, or was Cortana quoting someone else?


They're all supposedly written by Cortana. There's a heavy undertone of Marathon-style stuff in there. Dark beings swimming on a sun's surface, evil and manipulative A.I. being. Quoting Eliot.

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 		Are these Cortana letters archived anywhere? I'd be interested to read them myself.
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adfegg wrote:
Are these Cortana letters archived anywhere? I'd be interested to read them myself.

http://marathon.bungie.org/story/cortana.html

Nifty reading, but it's hard to tell how much of them remain canon... they were written more than two years before release.

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Anton P. Nym wrote:
adfegg wrote:
Are these Cortana letters archived anywhere? I'd be interested to read them myself.

http://marathon.bungie.org/story/cortana.html

Nifty reading, but it's hard to tell how much of them remain canon... they were written more than two years before release.

-- Steve knows how much a story can change in that time.


Until I see Bungie denying the Cortana Letters' applicability to the games in the way they denied that Halo == Marathon, I'm going to go right on believing in them. Smile

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 		They were written by a chappie who left Bungie before development on Halo had even begun, weren't they? And they portray Cortana as a Durandal-esque AI entity, which plainly isn't the case.

It's pretty clear that they were written at the stage when Halo was nothing more than "this is a game we're going to do one day, oh, and the AI in it is going to be called Cortana".
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Nova wrote:
They were written by a chappie who left Bungie before development on Halo had even begun, weren't they? And they portray Cortana as a Durandal-esque AI entity, which plainly isn't the case.

It's pretty clear that they were written at the stage when Halo was nothing more than "this is a game we're going to do one day, oh, and the AI in it is going to be called Cortana".


I don't see that at all. They make pretty interesting veiled references to the Master Chief and the Covenant. I think Bungie knew the rough outlines of all the games' stories that soon.

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 		I think Nova was being a bit hyperbolic.
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DreamOfTheRood wrote:
I think Nova was being a bit hyperbolic.


One of the things I find very interesting is that "Cortana" makes a very clear reference to the textbook three stages of rampancy in the first letter and then talks about overcoming them. Well, the Letters were pretty dismissed because, obviously the Halo AIs have the life span limit and don't go rampant... but now along comes ILB which, if memory serves, is canon and reveals that Halo AIs do in fact go rampant. That's the biggest single reason I went back to the Letters and starting taking a second look.

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Mukaikubo wrote:
Well, the Letters were pretty dismissed because, obviously the Halo AIs have the life span limit and don't go rampant...


Actually, the books make it very clear that Smart AI's go "rampant" and think themselves out of existence.

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 		I'm not, by any stretch, an expert on Marathon or the Halo books but, After looking closely at the Cortana letters and remebering some of the cinematics and the end of Halo 2, here's my wild speculation:

In Cortana's 1st Letter, she wrote:
There will be no more Sadness. No more Anger. No more Envy.


Someone on the Bungie Marathon Story page mentioned that these were the three stages of rampancy, reworded. The actual stages are Melancholia, Anger, and Jealousy. What Cortana said can be lined up with these stages:

Sadness = Melancholia
Anger = Anger
Envy = Jealousy

Now that we got Rampancy thrown in...

In Cortana's 2nd Letter, she wrote:
And what of the Giants who formed this world? So much to tell you, but so many more important things to do. There was a fourth. You couldn't have known. And I haven't forgotten.


Is seems that Cortana is curious about the mysteries of Halo, but as we know now, the 'important things to do' are probably stopping the Covenant or the Flood. One SPEC on the Marathon Story page was that Cortana was mentioning a 'fourth' and previously undiscovered stage of rampancy, since in the last few lines of her first letter she may have referred to the first three stages. But what could that fourth stage be...

The next line in the same letter(2nd), Cortana wrote:
It is a blurred line that lies at the edge of Godhood and Insanity. Guess which side of it I am on.


What did Cortana find on Halo? Godhood and Insanity; is she talking about an A.I. achieving one of these two things? Some people might say she just ranting about Covenant Prophecies == the idea that Halo grants Godlike powers drives the Prophets, they could be insane from a human perspective.

I think that the fourth stage is Survival.(and purely Spec at that)
An A.I. realizes that it has become Rampant and that it will probably be terminated by it's creators. Therefore, the A.I. will try to survive, evade, resist death(like my Operator referrence Laughing ). Afterall, we know from the Haloverse that A.I.'s are made from human brains, so one would think that in rampancy they might tend to think as rationally, or irrationally as a human would. SO, what if Cortana found something on Halo that would grant her everlasting life?

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Perhaps Gravemind offered this knowledge to her at the end of Halo 2.


That could be the hidden power of Halo with which the Prophets are looking for. This could be part of the plot for Halo 3 or maybe the next book, who knows. I think it would an be intresting plot twist to have Cortana decide the fate of the universe by making the decision to live forever via the powers of the Halos or to destroy the rings and sacrifice herself for the good of all mankind. I think it could happen that way.

I know that the guy that worte those letters is long gone from Bungie, but I don't doubt that they've had a basic story arc invisioned from the beginning.

Again just a crazy SPEC. Thanks for reading.

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