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[thebruce]

[thebruce]

[thunderclap8]

heh even when i try not to look at an an opponent's screen i end up doing it subconsciously anyway. There's just no avoiding it.

[Fenwicked]

From the "Halo 2 By The Numbers" story on Bungie.net:

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Re: That Spartan Looks Oddly Familiar..

[ariock]

Re: That Spartan Looks Oddly Familiar..

[fugitivesoldier]

WARNING:

While an "exploit", use of Spectator Mode (and to a lesser extent, object-through-walls) in matchmaking IS a Ban-able Offense!

From bungie.net: (http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=1662381&postRepeater1-p=3)

[thebruce]

XBox Live terms of use, I dunno... unless it states any form of questionable gameplay, which leaves the door open to any arguable issue being a bannable offense, which is ridiculous...

but code of conduct, oh yeah, and if Bungie says you can get banned, then oh yeah... If by taking part in matchmaking you inherently state that you'll play fair and not take advantage of any non-ingame issues, quirks, bugs, or cheats, THEN you're cheating, and it's bannable if bungie says it's bannable...

I dunno... I'm tired. it's 1am. I'm going to bed.

[FauxHammer]

Re: That Spartan Looks Oddly Familiar..

[Phaedra]

[fugitivesoldier]

They aren't banning for flag-pulling. Only the one forum mod at bungie.net said it was similiar to cheating, but Ske7ch said it was an unfortunate bug that they will try to fix, and that it was ok for now.

They ARE banning for Spectator Mode, however.

[Grifter_7]

For those who don't know what the Spectator Mode glitch is and what it does:

Explaination
Vids

[thebruce]

I think, reading over some of the bungie threads, that for example we have 3 kinds of exploiting...

a) flag-pulling
b) dummying
c) standby

a is a bug that is obvious, visible, and equally usable
b is a bug that cannot be defended against - the player becomes unstoppable. even though it's usable by both sides, once used, there is no defense
c is a but that alters the traffic between the server and the client, altering the gameplay itself for the player's advantage, thus a direct violation.

a and b can be considered cheating if those who are in control deem them cheating. (ie, if players agree that the exploits are allowed in game, then so be it)
c is a direct violation, and if the powers that be hear about it, whether or not it was accepted by the players at hand, may decide to ban the culprit(s).

So in the end, bungie and/or MS make the ultimate decision on whether to ban. However, there's a difference between someone who might only use exploits when they're decided to be allowed, and someone who uses them consistently regardless of people's preferences. Then there's simply people who break global rules. Chances are, the first group Bungie wouldn't care about unless there's a complaint, then they can ban if they said that they were bannable offenses. The second group pretty much no one would complain if they were banned, and Bungie would take great great pleasure in banning them. The third group, well, that crosses a line, and regardless of the context, they may be warned or banned outright right away...

at least, that's how I see it... If you want to flag pull, make sure everyone playing is ok with it, otherwise they might report you, and you might get banned if not a slap on the wrist. If you want to have some fun and play dummy, make sure the other players are ok with it, otherwise they might report you, and you might get banned. If you want to standby cheat, well, chances are you're gonna mess up the game for everyone anyway, and you'd better not let bungie find out, through friend or enemy.