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[Halo 2] [SPEC/SPOILERS] Halo 2 NOT Over? - The Facts
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NSA
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More rampant ideas..

In the halo.bungie.org interview with Joe Staten, his final words are:

Quote:
HSP: If you could offer a few words to guide dedicated Story Page readers on their Quest for Tru7h, what would they be?

JS: In your valiant search for the truth, do not forget the legacy of the good Dr. Heisenberg.


Now, I guess this could be a mcguffin or whatnot, or it could be a valid hint towards.. something? The only relevent information I could get was the idea that:

Quote:
Dr. Heisenberg had a shocking but clear realization about the limits of physical knowledge: the act of observing alters the reality being observed.


Which pertains to Halo how? Heh I guess maybe Joe was saying the more we see of the Haloverse, the more it changes? Im not sure.. but its interesting!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:21 pm
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NSA wrote:
Well in the Halo 2 soundtrack CD, there is the Covenant "Writ of Union":

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So full of hate were our eyes
That none of us could see
Our war would yield countless dead
But never victory

So let us cast arms aside
And like discard our wrath
Thou, in faith, will keep us safe
Whilst we find the path


- High Council of Concordance,
First Age of Reconciliation

So I suppose that supports the idea that Reconciliation is the creation of the 'modern' Covenant I guess. I didnt see any reference in the booklet from Halo 2 though.


Yep, that's how I see it:
who is this? prophets and elites
"Thou, in faith will keep us safe" = elites being the guards of the prophets
"Whilst we find the path" = prophets being in charge of finding and interpreting Forerunner artifacts

Fits very well with:
archon wrote:
Age(s) of Reconciliation - Prophets and Elites come together to form Covenant

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NSA wrote:
And yeah, the whole six-one-way-half-dozen-the-other thing. The Forerunners, being an advanced and intelligent race, would not have gone through all the trouble of creating the fortress worlds to destroy themselves just to prevent the Flood from doing the same. So I think it's fairly safe to say that there is SOME way to protect oneself from the blast. Whether that's being in a certain place, or using a certain device, I don't know.


Perhaps, you're referring to the Ark.

You see, God put a few humans, like Noah and his family, into the ark to save the best of humanity from the flood. Perhaps, to draw the Biblical parallel, the Forerunners put the best of humanity into the Ark to save them from the Flood.
Just a theory.
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NSA wrote:
More rampant ideas..

In the halo.bungie.org interview with Joe Staten, his final words are:

Quote:
HSP: If you could offer a few words to guide dedicated Story Page readers on their Quest for Tru7h, what would they be?

JS: In your valiant search for the truth, do not forget the legacy of the good Dr. Heisenberg.


Now, I guess this could be a mcguffin or whatnot, or it could be a valid hint towards.. something? The only relevent information I could get was the idea that:

Quote:
Dr. Heisenberg had a shocking but clear realization about the limits of physical knowledge: the act of observing alters the reality being observed.


Which pertains to Halo how? Heh I guess maybe Joe was saying the more we see of the Haloverse, the more it changes? Im not sure.. but its interesting!!



The way I see it is he was just telling us, cutely, that the closer we were looking at things the more we were losing the Big Picture.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:48 am
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Mukaikubo wrote:
The way I see it is he was just telling us, cutely, that the closer we were looking at things the more we were losing the Big Picture.


Yeah I kinda figured that much Smile Hehe but its all the little details (both implied AND imagined I guess) that make the Haloverse so awesome. The whole aspect of so much unknown is really invigorating to me, there is enough info to set us off in our directions, but not enough to really curtail any in-depth speculation.. which leads me to my next hypothesis..

The "Great Journey". Indeed.

We know the Prophets (and Covenant as a whole I guess) look upon the Forerunners as God-like figures, perhaps something to aspire to be like perhaps? They have built their technology (and maybe society?) off Forerunner artifacts and devices they have found throughout the universe. They use the same Glyphs on their armor as is found on the Halo's, etc.

I got to thinking that the whole "Great Journey" thing was a little preposterous for the Covenant to really believe in on their own. Sure, there are lots of ancient relics around, but why come to the conclusion that there is some "great journey" awaiting them?

I think the Prophets found some artifact, or device, or inscription or SOMETHING which implied the Forerunners were planning on building an Ark. The Ark would safely transport a few survivors and items out of the reach/path of the impending Halo detonations, and out of the grasp of the Flood. Those onboard the Ark would then be embarking on the "Great Journey". Since the Ark was the "remote detonation" location, it would also be written (I'd imagine) that the "Great Journey" started with the activation of the Halo-rings.

Jump forward 100,000 years, and some information might have been "lost in translation", and its entirely possible that the Prophets did not exactly know what, or why, the Great Journey was initially undertaken. Following their pattern for mimicry rather than inventiveness, I think the Covenant might have grabbed hold of this idea that was dear to the Forerunners and made it apart of their own culture.

One aside, the Prophets, especially Truth, seem to know a lot more than they are letting onto, so perhaps a select few figured out the more elaborate details and are using them to their own advantage? I dunno!

Anyway thats one idea I had.. seems like a good reason for the Covenant to come up with the Great Journey idea, and ties in with the Ark and the Forerunners.
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Second whacked idea:

Does anyone really know if Halo 04 was really going to be FIRED in the first game? It all seemed like it, but after playing Halo 2, and having the "all-ready signal" shoot out from Delta Halo, putting all others on Standby. Since Miranda Keyes removed the key from the beam thing, we assume that stopped whatever sequence was in motion, but I dont think the Forerunners would have a "failsafe" mode to set all other Halos to standby in case the key was removed, I would think the Halo would imediately fire (assuming the reclaimer with the key was killed in battle).

I am beginning to wonder if Master Chief allowed Guilty Spark to proceed, if it would have only shot out the "announcement" and gone to standby mode.

It would make sense, because that would be the only way to ensure all halo's fired at once, eliminating all possible hosts at the same time. I think this is why the Forerunners designed the "Ark" to remote detonate the halos at precisely the correct time. If one Halo could be fired on its own effectively, why didnt the Forerunners just cleanse the parts of the universe they couldnt manage.

Of course its all spec, and I think in the first game GS 343 mentions that "one all other halos follow suit it will blanket the galaxy..", but he doesnt say exactly that the other Halos will recognize 04 was fired, or if they follow suit from a remote detonater.

Humm!! (yes.. too much time!)
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NSA wrote:
Of course its all spec, and I think in the first game GS 343 mentions that "one all other halos follow suit it will blanket the galaxy..", but he doesnt say exactly that the other Halos will recognize 04 was fired, or if they follow suit from a remote detonater.


From what I've seen of the first and second Halos, if any single Halo is fired (or put in standby mode like Delta Halo), it gives a signal to all other Halos about what is going on at that one. 343 in Halo (the first one) says that once all the other installations follow suit, "this galaxy will be quite devoid of life," indicating that once one Halo is fired, all others will too. What the Chief and Cortana did in the first game was prevent 343 from finding a way to use Halo 04.

If you remember, the Chief put the 04 Index into Halo 04, but since Cortana was already inside the ring and knew what was going on, she stopped it before anything could happen and took the Index for herself. Assuming that all Halos fire similarly to the Delta Halo, I imagine that there would be some kind of pillar of light eminating with the Index somewhere on the fourth installation, and if the Index were to be removed before the ring fires, that it would deactivate and send all other Halos on standby mode.

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NSA wrote:
From the end of Halo 2 "... my creators activated the Rings, they, and all additional sentient life, in three radii of the galactic center died, as planned."

Now, we dont know where the Forerunner's claimed the galactic center was located, but its possible that Earth's location was outside the three radii. GS 343 makes it pretty clear that the Halo firing was well thought out and planned, so it makes sense that they would plan for the Ark and the firing device to be secure, if only to be able to fire it again if something went wrong.

It also wouldnt make sense for a race like the Forerunners to kill themselves and all other sentient beings off entirely, since that would in-effect be the same as letting the Flood win. If the Flood managed to infect the universe, they would eventally die off as a result of a lack of new hosts. In effect they would kill their own food chain, and accomplish the same thing as the Halos. The Forerunners must have known this, and known the Flood infection had only reached "three radii of the Galactic Center". So I imagine the Forerunner did the equivilent of cutting off their own hand to save the rest of the body, or something. Kill most so a few could live? It just doesnt make sense to kill everyone in the galaxy just so they dont get.. killed by the Flood. Humm.

When the third Prophet (forget his name!!) is dying from the Flood infectious form, he tells Master Chief that the Prophet of Truth is going to "Earth, to finish what was started.. and this time, none of you will be left behind". This could be taken many ways, but I believe he is referring to the surviving Forerunners managing to survive the first Halo detonation? It seems the Prophets know a LOT more about the Halo's than they are letting onto.. so I guess we wait and see.


I think that we are dangerously close to figuring out the entire Halo story here, and I am wondering if we should continue, since doing so will probably result in spoiling the entire story. I have my own beliefs as to the actual story, that fits both games (I have not read the books). It fits too well,...so well in fact that I wonder if I am correct. It even fits with this interview from another thread. Granted, there would still be some unanswered questions but the main idea would still be correct. (though it is still wild spec)

I was going to post it here, but part of me feels that I shouldn't, or that I should go as far as to stop reading this thread. Which is preposterous since I can't tear myself away if I tried. Are these valid feelings? Or am I blowing this out of proportion.

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Foz, I suppose it all boils down to personal preference, but for me, (wow thats a lot of commas!) the thrill of figuring things out -- guessing, and coming up with ideas of what "May or may not" happen/happened is all part of the fun of the Haloverse.

Okay, that was a little odd. Basically, I think all of this, including the Halo games, ILB's, the Novels, our wild [spec], etc, is just part of the fun. Sure the Halo games for XBOX are a blast, but delving into the rich universe layed before us is a lot deeper for me.

I agree it would be kind of a letdown if we figured out all the details ahead of time, but I dont really think we need to worry about that completely, Bungie seems to like to throw really unexpected twists in sometimes, so.. we'll see I guess Smile
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and I don't think anyone will ever know the entire story... otherwise there will be no more game. Basically, if it's there to be found right now, then there's no reason to hide it. If someone doesn't want to know, they don't have to... but it's not like it'll ruin the story, cuz if there's more to come anyway, then more will come... otherwise, the story was already done Smile
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Hey, Bruce? You're up to ch 13 now. You need to update your sig. Smile
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adfegg wrote:
Hey, Bruce? You're up to ch 13 now. You need to update your sig. Smile

oh yeah... I would have got to it today, but tnx for the reminder Razz
now back to the topic... Wink
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Well, I just think that the Prophets (not necessarily all of the Covenant) are not only aware of what the Rings do, but may have been involved with the original detonation. In the interview that I mentioned in a previous post, it is confirmed that the Prophets know "much" more than they are letting on. Furthermore, there's the Halo 2 level "100,000 Years War", which is when the first detonation took place. This might mean that the Prophets have been chasing the Forerunners/Humans to the ends of the galaxy for 100,000 years. They knew that some Forerunners fled the original detonation, but just didn't know where. Now they have found the Ark/Earth and this time none of us will escape.

Unless Master Chief can end it, of course.

P.S. Gravemind never says he was created by the Forerunners. He only says that his creators detonated the Rings.

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[CROSSPOST] Spring 2005 Chicago Hivemeet

Sorry for the crosspost. Just trying to hit the most active threads. An election has be (re)opened to choose a date for the Spring 2005 Chicago Hivemeet. Here's the official post:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=118878&highlight=#118878
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Also, if we did figure out what happened/is happening/will happen, and know that part of the story...this is just one epoch in a much bigger universe. Isn't that the whole idea of the Halo bible, that an entire huge timeline is already planned out? If anything, ILB goes to show that the universe is rich enough for an endless amount of stories, games, characters, novels, movies, or whatever. And that's just during the covenant war (which has thus far only dealt with four years of fighting, if that).

If we guess the ending, there is always plenty more story to go around.
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