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SPEC: (greywethers) Time, Time, Time.... and the Nine?
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 		SPEC: (greywethers) Time, Time, Time.... and the Nine?
I was doing a search on the themes of Time, Perception and Eternity...
Came across a metion in Mayan Myth about the Nine Lords of the Night who rule the Mayan Long Count. Each Day is rules by one of the Nine, in a circular pattern.

I'm still looking for the solve on the lightcone page...
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 		Boy Mage. I think you may have found something. I'm just starting to research The Nine Lords of the Night. So far, I've found that they are with the Underworld. So, for Dmax's question
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Next step: WTF is Don Marzano?


if you have found the answer, Dale is in more trouble that he could have ever known. Was it ever mentioned that Digitalis was One of the Nine? Dale is going to AGP tomorrow. I'll send him an email asking him if he's ever hear of Digitalis being One of the Nine. I know that Trithemius was mentioned as part of One of the Nine. Can't remember wether he is one or he sent them. Anyone?

Also, here is an excerpt from the chat with Dale on 5/5:

[22:16] synthasiadale: And then again I was somewhere else
[22:16] synthasiadale: A dark forest and I'm running sweaty and scared
[22:17] synthasiadale: Around me, nine ghostly white shapes tinged with red are running furiously, right beside me and getting closer by the moment
[22:18] synthasiadale: They are herding me towards something and as they get closer I see their ears, burning red like flames and their eyes, black as the night

Also, here is this little info about the Nine Lords. Kind of a coincidence.

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The tzolk'in, a 260-day interlocking cycle of 13 numbers and 20 day names;http://www.pauahtun.org/basic.html


Greywethers is 13 pages long and if we are all specing correctly, 1 number/letter will represent the 2 in the title, which leaves us with 13 numbers/letters. Like I said, I'm just starting.

If this ties into Greywethers....
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 		SPEC: Chasing the Mayan connection
Yep, I think I'm going to follow this one a bit...

from the second st. beregonne page the folklore link the one that lead to the "book of Hours" solve...
the first two pages of redirect are the "death" themed pictures (hourglass1 and hourglass2 jpgs), before we get to the "book of hours manuscript pages. If they don't completely fit the book of hours puzzle, maybe they are part of a different one. I might be stretching it by saying why have the two different file types, jpg and gif for the pics, but hey, gotta start with something.

So back I go to clue search with "nine lords mayan" and come up with the following:

http://www.greatdreams.com/mayan/the-nine.htm
Note: I have made bold the words I want to draw to your attention ...

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The Maya did not regard life or death in the same way as we do today - the fact that they had a Suicide Goddess makes that clear. She is Ixtab, and is depicted with a rope around her neck. Since the Mayans believed that "heaven" lay beyond a suicide, it is believed that this practice may have been quite common. Death was closely intertwined with life, for they believed one was first dead, before one was born, i.e. had life. Death was a doorway to Life, and Life was a doorway to Death, thus death and death rituals were quite important in this society.

There is an Underworld, a Middleworld (where we reside) and an Upperworld. The World Tree (Tzuk te') is at the center of The World, and grows through the 9 Underworld levels, this Middle Level and the 13 Upperworld regions. Each level or subregion had its own ruler, with the lowest level (Mitnal) being ruled by the Death God, Yum Cimil (aka Ah Puch, the god of the Underworld). He is shown as a skeletal frame or in various stages of decomposition.



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Green was the characteristic color of the earth's center. According to the Mayan model, the earth spins around a central axis consisting of a huge ceiba tree called the Wakah-Chan, or "World-Tree", whose trunk extends into the heavens toward the North Star and whose roots delve deep below the plane of the earth. The heavens themselves rotate around this axis as a giant celestial sphere, making the Mayan model of the Earth highly reminiscent of a spinning gyroscope.




Further spec: numbers given values based on place above or below other numbers. (From the same page as above)

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The Nine Mayan Gods (Bolontiku) are the principle deities having dominion over the area of Central America from the Isthmus of Tehuantepec to the Isthmus of Panama. To the indigenous people of the Mayan area, the Bolontiku have historically fulfilled a cultural role with their power, wisdom, sanction and protection were invoked for all earthly and spiritual transactions – for healing, divination, success in agriculture, trade, politics and war; for help in personal matters such as love, childbearing, grief; for carrying (telepathic) messages over distance; and so on.

Sophisticated mathematics allowed the Ah Kinob to conceive of a universe regular in its rhythms. In its simplicity, the Mayan number system employed only three characters - a dot symbolizing unity, a bar representing the number five, and an eye-shaped glyph representing zero. Mayan numbers were written vertically and divided into tiers, with the characters in each tier of the column having a value twenty times that of the characters in the tier directly beneath them. Summing the values of the tiers yielded the number represented in the glyph. Dispensing entirely with fractions, the Maya expressed all non-integer quantities in terms of ratios or equivalencies.

Two exceptional features of the Mayan mathematics - the use of zero and the assignment of value by position - made this system the most advanced of its time. The Hindus, once thought to be the original discoverers of zero and the position convention, developed them a thousand years after the Maya. This allowed the Mayans to reconcile their various calendrical systems and compile lists of multiples for use in reckoning the periods of astronomical events, as well as keep accurate records of governmental and commercial transactions.
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 		Here's what I sent to Dale:
Dale,

Please be careful when you go to AGP tomorrow. Quite a few things have happened tonight.

Shadowtalk1 was back. Here is part of the conversation:

xxxxxxx: is don marzano human?
Shadowtalk: he is like the others of his kind
xxxxxxx: what is his kind?
Shadowtalk: calculating
Shadowtalk: nine
xxxxxxx: who are the others of the nine
Shadowtalk: you do
Shadowtalk: not
Shadowtalk: understand
xxxxxxx: please explain so that i can
Shadowtalk: listen
Shadowtalk: they are here
xxxxxxx: explain Marzano and nine so that i can understand
Shadowtalk: they have found

Don Marzano is NOT human. I send you this because I thought I read somewhere (still searching) that Digitalis is One of the Nine. A friend found some info about Nine Lords of the Night. They are with the Underworld. Evil at it's worst. If Digitalis and Marzano are Two of the Nine....

Have you heard anything about Digitalis? Is my thinking off track? Please let me know BEFORE you go. If I don't hear from you, PLEASE BE CAREFUL. I am in contact with Brent Bowers, the webmaster at AGP. If you have any questions, please let me know and I will ask him. Or ask him yourself. He can be reached at webmasterSPLATashgrovepark.com. Talk to him first. He may have some knowledge that you don't. He is open to questions about AGP.

Please be careful and do some more investigating before you go. All of us are doing our best to help you. We will keep digging. Please just continue to trust us.

Also, the numbered ones have been in contact. Here is that conversation:

thenumberedones (10:32:36 PM): beware of what you seek
xxxxxxxx (10:32:55 PM): What do you think I seek?
xxxxxxxx (10:34:09 PM): Who are you? What mask do you wear?
Previous message was not received by thenumberedones because of error (10:34:10 PM): User thenumberedones is not available.

So maybe "thenumberedones" are your (our) friends and not your (our) enemy like originally thought. So that might make the "guides" at mythosphere.org your (our) enemy.
Maybe everything we have thought has been incorrect.

On second thought, I don't know if you should go to AGP at all. We don't even know anything about Brent Bowers. He could be another "One of Nine". If everything we thought we knew is wrong....
We have to step back and regroup. Rethink EVERYTHING.

Please let me know ASAP what you think.

Always on your side,

Ursulla
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Myssfitz wrote:


if you have found the answer, Dale is in more trouble that he could have ever known. Was it ever mentioned that Digitalis was One of the Nine? Dale is going to AGP tomorrow. I'll send him an email asking him if he's ever hear of Digitalis being One of the Nine. I know that Trithemius was mentioned as part of One of the Nine. Can't remember wether he is one or he sent them. Anyone?


Digitalis is not one of the Nine.
He's one of the Guides.
And the Guides != The Nine. See the same chatlog you quoted.

Trimethius was rumoured to be one of the Nine, this lead to the speculation in CD chat yesterday that he might be an ancestor or the Marzano's. But we quickly nixed that idea. Wrong nationality, member of a religious order and no sign of any offspring in the official records.

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Valas wrote:
Digitalis is not one of the Nine.
He's one of the Guides.
And the Guides != The Nine. See the same chatlog you quoted.


But the Guides (in that same chat) all had some type of deformity with their hands. And Digitalis has 6 fingers. So going on the spec of the Guides=The Nine....
That would make Digitalis one of the Nine. But the Guides are not the Nine. There were more than Nine Guides. See exerpt from chat below.

[23:07] synthasiadale: Dashcat: I dont think the nine are the guides
[23:07] synthasiadale: For some reason I think the guides may be the people in robes on the one side of the hallway i went through
[23:08] Gupfee: was digitalis there?
[23:08] synthasiadale: You have been paying attention
[23:08] Gupfee: we got email from digitalis, a guide, and he said something about the "2nd ring"
[23:08] synthasiadale: One of the figures on that side Im pretty sure was digitalis even though a hood obscured his face somewhat
[23:09] *** tartanwolf2 has joined the chat.
[23:09] Gupfee: did all the guides have 6 fingers?
[23:09] synthasiadale: No i dont think so but i couldnt see all their hands
[23:09] RaynardM: on that note, do you remember the "distinctive positions" their hands were in?
[23:10] the42guy: back to the 9 more a second, do you think that could be what the graffiti means?
[23:10] synthasiadale: What I meant by that was that each one had something unusual or different about at least one of their hands
[23:10] KyraSplash: Dale - what is the Human Interface Project? and have you contacted Peter Pfishtrap?
[23:10] synthasiadale: hold on too many questions at once
[23:10] synthasiadale: lol
[23:10] *** Prettycolors62 has joined the chat.
[23:11] SilverEyedDevine: ^_^ overwhelmed people i guess
[23:11] Gupfee: finish up your thoughts about the guides, please
[23:11] synthasiadale: i clearly saw at last one of the figures with six fingers on one hand, another was missing his entire hand
[23:11] BarbarellaNY: what was different about the hands
[23:11] synthasiadale: others had unusual deformities, like hands permanently cramped into fists or claw sjaped forms
[23:12] synthasiadale: shaped*
[23:12] *** ValasAzuviir has left the chat.
[23:12] heartheather73: arthritic hands like the photo at the library
[23:12] synthasiadale: But back to the point, there were more than nine of them
[23:12] *** SarKenobi7 has left the chat.
[23:12] synthasiadale: on that side of the hall
[23:12] SilverEyedDevine: more?
[23:12] synthasiadale: so if they are the guides, which i think they are, they are not the nine
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Myssfitz wrote:
Valas wrote:
Digitalis is not one of the Nine.
He's one of the Guides.
And the Guides != The Nine. See the same chatlog you quoted.


But the Guides (in that same chat) all had some type of deformity with their hands. And Digitalis has 6 fingers. So going on the spec of the Guides=The Nine....
That would make Digitalis one of the Nine. But the Guides are not the Nine. There were more than Nine Guides. See exerpt from chat below.



*sigh* Suspected that I shouldn't have used that symbol.. != means as much as does not equal.

In short, the Guides are not the same as the Nine, just as the DEGs are not the Nine.

Both Guides and the DEGs have more than Nine members, makes it very very unlikely that they're the Nine., unless it were some type of ruling council, but then that doesn't make much sense considering that Trimethius was apparently one of the Nine, and according to ST1, so is the Don.

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Valas wrote:

*sigh* Suspected that I shouldn't have used that symbol.. != means as much as does not equal.


Well Moo. Looks like I've done it again. *g* Very Happy
Now how was I supposed to know what != meant? I'm "kind-of" smart (a lot of ditzy), but that one...
Never seen before. Please stay on my "Planet" Valas. Wink
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Myssfitz wrote:
Valas wrote:

*sigh* Suspected that I shouldn't have used that symbol.. != means as much as does not equal.


Well Moo. Looks like I've done it again. *g* Very Happy
Now how was I supposed to know what != meant? I'm "kind-of" smart (a lot of ditzy), but that one...
Never seen before. Please stay on my "Planet" Valas. Wink


Well, KMD over at GPF used it, she's the missus of the guy doing that webcomic. It's a geek thing apparently. Razz

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Well, KMD over at GPF used it, she's the missus of the guy doing that webcomic. It's a geek thing apparently. Razz


So that makes you a .....

Wait a minute. You used something that KMD, the wife of UNOWHO over at GPF used. Wouldn't that make you a BFJ like MON and not a geek?
(No luck BTW at the PL. Must be a prob.)

Love ya' Wink
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Valas wrote:

Well, KMD over at GPF used it, she's the missus of the guy doing that webcomic. It's a geek thing apparently. Razz


So that makes you a .....

Wait a minute. You used something that KMD, the wife of UNOWHO over at GPF used. Wouldn't that make you a BFJ like MON and not a geek?
(No luck BTW at the PL. Must be a prob.)

Love ya' Wink


Well, I could've said that she was the wife of Jeff Darlington the atist doing the comic, but I figured you wouldn't know the name anyway.

Oh and I never claimed to be a geek, just that the symbol was apparently a geek thing, most of the residents, self proclaimed geeks got what she meant.. Me?? I lurked till a newbie asked what it meant. Razz

And it's ok, I'll give it another whirl in a few days, provided I remember. Laughing

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Well, I could've said that she was the wife of Jeff Darlington the atist doing the comic, but I figured you wouldn't know the name anyway.

Oh and I never claimed to be a geek, just that the symbol was apparently a geek thing, most of the residents, self proclaimed geeks got what she meant.. Me?? I lurked till a newbie asked what it meant. Razz

And it's ok, I'll give it another wirl in a few days, provided I remember. Laughing


Well, now I feel like a real heel. I thought you meant PC. So, no I would never have know who Jeff Darlington was. So what does GPF stand for anyway?
I was never calling you a geek. I was being sarcastic, since I thought we were talking about PC. I just thought you were using something that one of them were using. But I should have known you weren't talking about PC. None of them are "geeks".

Sorry if I offended. Just joking around thinking we were talking about the same thing. Embarassed
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Well, now I feel like a real heel. I thought you meant PC. So, no I would never have know who Jeff Darlington was. So what does GPF stand for anyway?
I was never calling you a geek. I was being sarcastic, since I thought we were talking about PC. I just thought you were using something that one of them were using. But I should have known you weren't talking about PC. None of them are "geeks".

Sorry if I offended. Just joking around thinking we were talking about the same thing. Embarassed


Uhm... PC?? Only three acronyms I know of, which use those two letters are, a)pre-christianity, b)politically correct, c)personal computer. So clarify...

GPF means General Protection Fault, it's a computer term. GPF the comic can be found here

Not offended, just extremely puzzled. Laughing

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 		Yay!! Someone else is puzzled besides me. Very Happy

PLANETCRAP. We did have some conversations about them off the board, right Question
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