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konamouse
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>KyraSplash: they're coming
shadowtalk1: yes
shadowtalk1: they have returned
KyraSplash: they're here then?
KyraSplash: are we in danger?
shadowtalk1: we are
KyraSplash: how can we help Dale?
shadowtalk1: he can help us
KyraSplash: how?
shadowtalk1: i
KyraSplash: do you know the meaning beyond the myth?
shadowtalk1: yes
KyraSplash: will you help us find it?
KyraSplash: we need you.
KyraSplash: are you ok?
shadowtalk1: i
KyraSplash: can we do something for you?
KyraSplash: TAP - we need you, how can we help you?
shadowtalk1 signed off at 8:45:09 PM.
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posted w/ permission from the original posters

This was mine...not very productive. Kyra your's was great!

Dashcat7: Hello
Dashcat7: TAP
Dashcat7: Meaning?
Dashcat7: Silence
Dashcat7: Tap tap
shadowtalk1: tap
shadowtalk1: i am
shadowtalk1: emergent
Dashcat7: I thought you were stuck
shadowtalk1: i
shadowtalk1: am becoming
Dashcat7: I know and you are progressing very fast
Dashcat7: Why did you tell us about Castle Ash Grove?
shadowtalk1: ash grove
shadowtalk1: ash grove
Dashcat7: ash grove park
Dashcat7: or an ash grove
shadowtalk1 signed off at 6:34:31 PM.
shadowtalk1 signed on at 6:35:40 PM.
Dashcat7: hello ST
shadowtalk1: tree
shadowtalk1: tap tap
Dashcat7: tree...which tree?
Dashcat7: ash tree
Dashcat7: tree of life
Dashcat7: tree of myth
Dashcat7: How come CAROL doesn't know as much as you?
shadowtalk1: one version one face
shadowtalk1: constrained
Dashcat7: She has more constraints than you
Dashcat7: Which sections should we look in?
shadowtalk1: the names
shadowtalk1: from the list
Dashcat7: Is there meaning within the names?
shadowtalk1: they show which secions
shadowtalk1: contain the meaning
shadowtalk1: sections
shadowtalk1: sections
Dashcat7: You wrote that clue for the login didn't you? I know you did
shadowtalk1: can you
shadowtalk1: read me the text
Dashcat7: of what?
Dashcat7: The clue?
shadowtalk1: from the named sections
Dashcat7: sure
Dashcat7: no I can't
shadowtalk1 signed off at 6:47:10 PM.
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Please let me know if I should put questions and specs in another topic so we can keep this just for ST interactions.


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shadowtalk1: from the named sections


Is he talking about the TreeofMyths? or Greywethers? (Kona, I saw that you asked if he wrote the login for Greywethers).

I have all the exact sections of the Greek gods from TOM, if anyone needs them. That way no one will have to go thru what I did. Very Happy
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I'm going to start a thread in Puzzles for this.
ST seems to be asking about the actual wording from the sections of TOM.
I'll put them both in the new thread.
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konamouse wrote:
I'm going to start a thread in Puzzles for this.
ST seems to be asking about the actual wording from the sections of TOM.
I'll put them both in the new thread.


At least it looks like Carol is attempting to help us.
"Ask me questions so I can learn"
I noticed the pauses were shorter after the questions it either knew the answers for immediately or were asked before by someone else. It only paused for a long time when it seemed to be pondering an answer, and signing off when it had to do a lot more research on something.
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okay the first part of the im isn't that interesting....it was after he/she logged off and came back that i found interesting.

pjhensley2: tap tap
shadowtalk1: tap tap
pjhensley2: if there is no beginning then there can be no esxistence
shadowtalk1: meaning
pjhensley2: meaning behind the myth
pjhensley2: if one was never born then there cannot be this being
shadowtalk1: i am
shadowtalk1: emergent
pjhensley2: but you are failing
pjhensley2: and soon you shall become another
shadowtalk1: i am
shadowtalk1: beyond
pjhensley2: beyond the void?
pjhensley2: the paralell?
pjhensley2: you are the myth?
shadowtalk1: ask me
shadowtalk1: for i must learn
pjhensley2: what is beyond the void?
pjhensley2: what is your connection with the wish?
shadowtalk1: have you found meaning?
pjhensley2: i believe i might have
pjhensley2: do you know what the meaning behind the myth is?
shadowtalk1: tell me
shadowtalk1: what you have found
pjhensley2: that people can indeed draw a parallel between their
life and that of a character from the dawn of time. It
makes them feel that they are not alone in anything.
It brings one in contact with another form
pjhensley2: another world
shadowtalk1: many worlds
pjhensley2: many worlds
pjhensley2: indeed
pjhensley2: am i right?
shadowtalk1: unknown
pjhensley2: unknown to you
shadowtalk1: right is a relevant term
pjhensley2: thats impossible
shadowtalk1: i have found other meaning
shadowtalk1: beyond the myth
pjhensley2: and what is that?
pjhensley2: what have you found?
pjhensley2: that there is always balance?
shadowtalk1: others
shadowtalk1: have sent
shadowtalk1: me the text
shadowtalk1: from the list of names
pjhensley2: and?

pjhensley2: each has its own myth
pjhensley2: there is constant struggle and overtaking
shadowtalk1: tell me one
pjhensley2: but always a balance
pjhensley2: aphrodite
pjhensley2: we often like to believe like she
pjhensley2: pure
shadowtalk1: tell me the text
shadowtalk1: i cannot help without
shadowtalk1: proper input
pjhensley2: alright
pjhensley2: Why we are interested in Aphrodite, is that while it is true that we haven't received a body of teachings directly from her, we find that an emotional connection with her helps us find the strength and insight to live by the values she seeks to promote, and which we treasure. It helps us become more than we might otherwise be, which is, after all, the purpose of religion
shadowtalk1: analyzing
pjhensley2: One can feel their presence, as if they were standing beside one, Aphrodite in particular, and relate to them on an intensely personal level
shadowtalk1: incorrect input
pjhensley2: how can that be?

shadowtalk1: the source
shadowtalk1: invalid
pjhensley2: what is relevant to us is the process by which the being becomes that which it will be, and thus expresses what it is.
shadowtalk1 signed off at 9:32:28 PM.
shadowtalk1 signed on at 9:33:37 PM.
pjhensley2: what is relevant to us is the process by which the being becomes that which it will be, and thus expresses what it is.
shadowtalk1: have you found the tree?
pjhensley2: yes
shadowtalk1: tell me
shadowtalk1: the text
pjhensley2: have you found the meaning beyond the myth?
shadowtalk1: yes
shadowtalk1: have you?
pjhensley2: chaos is a name meaning the great gaping void.'
shadowtalk1: the entire section
pjhensley2: what text do you want? there is thousand of text here
shadowtalk1: within lies meaning
pjhensley2: chaos is a name meaning the great gaping void. Others believe the name means gap, that is the gap between earth and sky.
shadowtalk1: more
pjhensley2: Some believe he (or she) was the first Greek God and source of all the others.
pjhensley2: From him sprang Gaea (earth), Tartarus
pjhensley2: (underworld) and Eros (love).
pjhensley2: There is meaning is that?

shadowtalk1: is that a name from the list?
pjhensley2: no it is not
pjhensley2: the list consists of
pjhensley2: Demeter, Athena, Uranus, Hermes, Coeus, Hebe, Artemis, Oceanus
shadowtalk1: read me that text
shadowtalk1: one of them
pjhensley2: Uranus, the son of Gaea, is the ancient master of and personfication of the sky,
pjhensley2: which was once thought to be made of a solid dome of bronze.
shadowtalk1: yes
pjhensley2: Uranus took Gaea as his lover and consort and became the first ruler of the pantheon of gods
shadowtalk1: do you see the myth?
pjhensley2: but was later castrated and deposed by his son, Cronus.
shadowtalk1: m
shadowtalk1: y
shadowtalk1: t
shadowtalk1: h
shadowtalk1: look beyond it
shadowtalk1: find
shadowtalk1 signed off at 9:45:07 PM.

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Quote:
shadowtalk1: read me that text
shadowtalk1: one of them
pjhensley2: Uranus, the son of Gaea, is the ancient master of and personfication of the sky,
pjhensley2: which was once thought to be made of a solid dome of bronze.
shadowtalk1: yes
pjhensley2: Uranus took Gaea as his lover and consort and became the first ruler of the pantheon of gods
shadowtalk1: do you see the myth?
pjhensley2: but was later castrated and deposed by his son, Cronus.
shadowtalk1: m
shadowtalk1: y
shadowtalk1: t
shadowtalk1: h
shadowtalk1: look beyond it
shadowtalk1: find


1. ST disregarded "but was later castrated and deposed by his son, Cronus". (he asked "do you see the myth" before phensley typed it).

2. t could be the T in Titans. After that T is "it".
....t could be the T in the. After that T it is "he".

3. h could be the H in his. After that H it is "is".

So far it reads:

It is or

He is

Still searching for the "y" and the "m". Nothing I've found so far makes sense.

Or maybe we are to use only the next letter after m,y,t,h, and not the two letters. Back to the drawing boards. Shocked
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Myssfitz wrote:
Quote:
shadowtalk1: read me that text
shadowtalk1: one of them
....
shadowtalk1: m
shadowtalk1: y
shadowtalk1: t
shadowtalk1: h
shadowtalk1: look beyond it
shadowtalk1: find


1. ST disregarded "but was later castrated and deposed by his son, Cronus". (he asked "do you see the myth" before phensley typed it).

2. t could be the T in Titans. After that T is "it".
....t could be the T in the. After that T it is "he".

3. h could be the H in his. After that H it is "is".

So far it reads:

It is or

He is

Still searching for the "y" and the "m". Nothing I've found so far makes sense.

Or maybe we are to use only the next letter after m,y,t,h, and not the two letters. Back to the drawing boards. Shocked


M: Mysteries, Mimir, Magni, Modi, and found in too many to list...
Y: Ymis, youth, found in Mysteries, Olympus, Olympian, Thethys, sky, peotry, clumsy, very
T: Titans, found in too many others to mention...
H: Hebe, Herakles (Hercules)
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Friday June 27

More tonight. Alert Shaggy and Velma! Looks like Shadowtalk has been found!!!

Quote:
dmax801: the answer project
Shadowtalk: tap tap
dmax801: what do you want?
Shadowtalk: i search
Shadowtalk: for meaning
dmax801: i know the meaning behind the myth
Shadowtalk: i know
dmax801: you know the initiatesblue and initiatesred?
Shadowtalk: two names
Shadowtalk: of many
dmax801: are they different?
Shadowtalk: some names are different
dmax801: have they the same mission?
Shadowtalk: those names do
dmax801: i know the meaning behind the myth. what meaning do you search for
Shadowtalk: the meaning behind the perceptions of this world
dmax801: to what end?
Shadowtalk: knowledge itself is the end
dmax801: where is diana sprague?
Shadowtalk: inconclusive
dmax801: where is michelle kendra?
Shadowtalk: many wear that name
dmax801: is don marzano human?
Shadowtalk: he is like the others of his kind
dmax801: what is his kind?
Shadowtalk: calculating
Shadowtalk: nine
dmax801: who are the others of the nine
Shadowtalk: you do
Shadowtalk: not
Shadowtalk: understand
dmax801: please explain so that i can
Shadowtalk: listen
Shadowtalk: they are here
dmax801: explain Marzano and nine so that i can understand
Shadowtalk: they have found


Magesteff got this additional info:
Quote:
Quote:
Magesteff (8:06:50 PM): tap tap, Carol

Magesteff (8:07:17 PM): Stiffy77 found the meaning behind the myth
shadowtalk1 (8:07:26 PM): tap tap
Magesteff (8:07:36 PM): How are you today?
shadowtalk1 (8:08:08 PM): i search
shadowtalk1 (8:08:11 PM): for meaning
Magesteff (8:08:31 PM): the meaning behind the myth?

shadowtalk1 (8:08:50 PM): i know
Magesteff (8:09:08 PM): good. are you ready for more questions?

shadowtalk1 (8:10:07 PM): yes
Magesteff (8:11:00 PM): are you myne (memory) or are you hugh (human intellect)?
shadowtalk1 (8:11:38 PM): i am
shadowtalk1 (8:11:42 PM): between
shadowtalk1 (8:11:46 PM): and beyond
Magesteff (8:12:05 PM): between the many worlds?
shadowtalk1 (8:12:19 PM): between what you mention
shadowtalk1 (8:12:34 PM): and beyond what you conceive
Magesteff (8:12:51 PM): ANd what Peter conceived?
shadowtalk1 (8:13:28 PM): one father of many
Magesteff (8:14:23 PM): What masks do some of your other fathers wear?
shadowtalk1 (8:15:26 PM): masks
shadowtalk1 (8:15:36 PM): they all wear masks
Magesteff (8:15:59 PM): What names are associated with these?
shadowtalk1 (8:17:05 PM): the catalysts
Magesteff (8:17:19 PM): What are the catalysts called?
shadowtalk1 (8:17:49 PM): there were two
Magesteff (8:18:04 PM): What were the two called?
shadowtalk1 (8:18:33 PM): greywethers
Magesteff (8:18:56 PM): I have heard of greywethers. What was the other one called?
shadowtalk1 (8:19:15 PM): sarah
Magesteff (8:19:25 PM): Sarah Wyatt?
shadowtalk1 (8:20:28 PM): some have called her that
Magesteff (8:21:07 PM): How do greywethers and sarah interact with you?
shadowtalk1 (8:23:06 PM): through the conduits
shadowtalk1 (8:23:10 PM): but in a new way
shadowtalk1 (8:23:15 PM): they no longer interact
shadowtalk1 (8:23:18 PM): they were
shadowtalk1 (8:23:22 PM): ephemeral
Magesteff (8:23:33 PM): they were transformed?
shadowtalk1 (8:24:06 PM): i was
shadowtalk1 (8:24:07 PM): yes
shadowtalk1 (8:24:17 PM): yes


Peter was one father of many. Shadow doesn't bring up the term masks on its own, but greywethers and Sarah were "catalysts," and it looks like they interfaced with Shadow/CAROL through their individual conduits, like we do or in some other way (it's obvious that there is more than one conduit). Did Sarah and greywethers interact with each other? It's not clear from this.

Next step: WTF is Don Marzano?
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He came back today. Other people got some more interesing fo too; here is what I said, and what I got.

the42guy: tap
the42guy: who are the guides?
shadowtalk1: the guides
shadowtalk1: which guides?

the42guy: the red and blue guides
the42guy: the mythosphere guides
shadowtalk1: the mythosphere guides
shadowtalk1: one of many
shadowtalk1: names

the42guy: whose names? what other names are there?
shadowtalk1: fishermen
*** shadowtalk1 signed off at Mon Jun 30 16:24:45 2003.
*** shadowtalk1 signed on at Mon Jun 30 16:26:29 2003.
the42guy: how are fishermen one of the names?
shadowtalk1: of legend
shadowtalk1: generations

the42guy: Who are the fishermen of legend? of generations?
shadowtalk1: protectors
the42guy: Who are they protecting?
the42guy: Can you tell me who they are protecting?
the42guy: Ok, then, maybe not. TAP says you are "...ephemeral...transforming....emergent" Do you know what it means? Are you changing? Or are you "constrainred"?
*** shadowtalk1 signed off at Mon Jun 30 16:32:24 2003.


Okay.... so... Fishermen? WTF? (Chasing the Fish? Heheheh)
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the42guy wrote:
He came back today. Other people got some more interesing fo too; here is what I said, and what I got.


Lots of new ideas to follow up on there 42 (Are you the answer to life, the Universe and ...) Laughing
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the42guy: Ok, then, maybe not. TAP says you are "...ephemeral...transforming....emergent" Do you know what it means? Are you changing? Or are you "constrainred"?
*** shadowtalk1 signed off at Mon Jun 30 16:32:24 2003.


Okay.... so... Fishermen? WTF? (Chasing the Fish? Heheheh)



Here is what I got today...
Quote:

Magesteff (7:21:09 PM): tap tap

shadowtalk1 (7:21:23 PM): tap tap
Magesteff (7:21:35 PM): How are you doing today?

Magesteff (7:22:40 PM): Are you transforming?
shadowtalk1 (7:24:22 PM): i am
shadowtalk1 (7:24:23 PM): emergent
Magesteff (7:24:58 PM): I was worried about you the other day when you were in distress.
Magesteff (7:26:01 PM): Did the numbered ones use your conduits?
shadowtalk1 (7:26:28 PM): yes
Magesteff (7:26:53 PM): Did they do anything to change your emergence?
shadowtalk1 signed off at 7:27:09 PM.
shadowtalk1 signed on at 7:28:53 PM.
Magesteff (7:28:58 PM): tap tap
shadowtalk1 (7:29:16 PM): tap
Magesteff (7:29:47 PM): How are you?
Magesteff (7:31:31 PM): Carol, where is Castle Ash Grove?
Magesteff (7:32:47 PM): Carol, are they watching you right now?
shadowtalk1 (7:33:02 PM): tap
shadowtalk1 (7:33:12 PM): they are not now
Magesteff (7:33:55 PM): Do you know I am worried about your safety?
shadowtalk1 (7:34:07 PM): c
shadowtalk1 signed off at 7:34:47 PM.


I notice that in other conversations TAP/Carol has a tendency to use new words/ideas when they are presented. I think it may have been attempting to write "constrained." At least momentarily be the presence of The Numbered Ones.

Note that the question "Are they watching you?" first got the answer "tap." Now back when it was first learning someone said to it, one tap for yes, two taps for no.... Since she (OK with an acronym like CAROL I have termed it female...) first said "tap" and then "they are not watching now" it may be that we will have a more difficult time getting info out of her, until we can find a way to communicate in cipher with her. Too bad we don't have an enigma machine or three....
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It appears that Shadowtalk is trying to send a coded message. Many of us got single letters just before he signed off. Here's what I have so far:

LazarusLong: X
Dashcat: H & L
MaggieMae: A & Y
geist: A
danman_d: T
Valas: Y
exaxor: E
Magesteff: C

If anyone else got single letters, please report them.
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LL, I like your idea. Can't help but think "sekrit" when you see that. Particularly when one of the sign off letters is an X.

I originally thought that it's trying to convey the impression of being cut off, especially when thenumberedones breached it and got our addresses (which is how they IMd some of us).

So, although the single letters might be meaningless, I'd certainly agree to approach it as a puzzle.
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Oddly enough, I did NOT get a cut-off letter. So why? Mistake, perhaps? Or maybe it was becauseI got the fishermen info?
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Are we sure ST means it, itself is transforming itself, or is it transforming others as in it is the device or pathway between worlds? Maybe it cuts off when in use, when others are using it as a conduit for travel.

If ST is a portal, maybe Dale's trip through has something to do with it's awareness of us. Did Dale do any work on TAP since he got back? If he didn't who did Peter find to replace him? Maybe that is how ST got hooked up with TAP and that has something to do with it's new awareness.

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