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MageSteff
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 		Re: wpfd again
Myssfitz wrote:
AbuAmaal wrote:
4. The page names stand for pairs of letters, two per page,
but each page will give one letter as a result (hence: triplets).

Now since I'm not aware of a standard triplet code outside of DNA
(which doesn't seem very helpful) the most obvious thing is
to use the standard coding where 1+6 stands for "A & F".
In particular, the letters in ADIGONES should refer to the
pages on which they appear, and be converted to something
else by those pages.


Abu, This may help you. This was sent to me from psammead. I did not send anything to warrant this reply.

Subject: triplet

the name of each page has two numbers
and on each many formulas fall
but the thing that you need
is an alphabet indeed
as twenty six there is total in all

so if 1 plus 6 equals letters
one on each side of the sign
how could you know
how the other numbers go
there must be some way to divine

there's one thing that separates the numbers
on the page as the same in the name
so look for that sign
it's there by design
and it shows you which ones are the same



OK I'm suffering serious brainfry over this, and I have caught something nasty from a family member (and me having three days vacation from work this week and I have to spend them sick-yuck!)...

But that last bit:
Quote:
there's one thing that separates the numbers
on the page as the same in the name
so look for that sign
it's there by design
and it shows you which ones are the same


Has me thinking... what if the / (i.e. = sign) doesn't mean another letter but means the a+b that precedes it are in the same word. Somewhere in this thread is a list of the equasions arranged by the number each equals.

Let me get that particular message up in another window...
<play jepardy theme "Time for Tony" as I look - I'll take cryptography for 100 Wink>

OK found it, page 4 posted by Myssfitz on June 3. It can be found here:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=10507#10507

What if the number after the equals gives us the place of each one? Then this is what the seiries looks like:

0+1=1

1+1=2
1+1=2

1+2=3
2+1=3

0+4=4
0+4=4
1+4=4
2+2=4
2+2=4
2+2=4
3+1=4
3+1=4
3+1=4

0+5=5
1+5=5
3+2=5
4+1=5
4+1=5
5+0=5

0+6=6

0+7=7
1+6=7
1+6=7
1+6=7
4+3=7

1+7=8
1+7=8

2+7=9

1+2+6=10
3+7=10

9+2=11


OK now we also have a=3 and c=2

Does that mean that 1+2=A and 1+1=C
or does it mean that A+1=4 and C+C=4 ?

I personally think it means that each goup of equasions that have the same number after the equal sign
i.e
0+4=4
0+4=4
1+4=4
2+2=4
2+2=4
2+2=4
3+1=4
3+1=4
3+1=4

leads to the fourth letter in the password. Throw out the doubles: i.e. throw out 0+4, keep the third, i.e. keep one of the 2+2 and 3+1, will lead to the solve. That is just my personal opinion, take it with a grain of salt and it will be more flavorful.


The reply that was received said "If their Stones they're Standing" but I don't think that means the password a direct link to the password. I think it was an entendre off the fact that Standing Stones can be construed as a Portal to the spirit/astral/other plane of existance.

Well, I'll let wiser heads than mine chew on that for a bit and see if anything gets digested better that way. Playing with ciphers that are more detailed than 1=a, 2=b makes my head ache. We really need to figure out the setting on this enigma machine to solve it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2003 9:58 pm
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Myssfitz
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 		Re: wpfd again
Magesteff wrote:

OK now we also have a=3 and c=2

Does that mean that 1+2=A and 1+1=C
or does it mean that A+1=4 and C+C=4 ?



Magesteff,

I'm afraid that the email you saw,
was meant only to give us all a guffaw,
The a=3 and c=2
was a big bunch of doo doo

If you choose to peer,
You can find it here
You can blame it on dmax,
and that damn axe. Laughing


cemgate2002 wrote:
dmax wrote:
Spec: Next message from psammead:

Quote:
It's a puzzle, you jerk
Can't you all do this work?
The "a" is a three
And the "2" is a "c"

Now get it in gear
No more hints now, that clear?
If you think you're so smart
More matter, less brainfart!


Duh Duh Duh....I wish I had seen that before I spent the last few hours trying to figure out exactly how...a=3 and 2=c Embarassed

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:10 am
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MageSteff
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 		Re: wpfd again
Myssfitz wrote:
Magesteff wrote:

OK now we also have a=3 and c=2

Does that mean that 1+2=A and 1+1=C
or does it mean that A+1=4 and C+C=4 ?



Magesteff,

I'm afraid that the email you saw,
was meant only to give us all a guffaw,
The a=3 and c=2
was a big bunch of doo doo

If you choose to peer,
You can find it here
You can blame it on dmax,
and that damn axe. Laughing


cemgate2002 wrote:
dmax wrote:
Spec: Next message from psammead:

Quote:
It's a puzzle, you jerk
Can't you all do this work?
The "a" is a three
And the "2" is a "c"

Now get it in gear
No more hints now, that clear?
If you think you're so smart
More matter, less brainfart!


Duh Duh Duh....I wish I had seen that before I spent the last few hours trying to figure out exactly how...a=3 and 2=c Embarassed

Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

As I said my mind is a whirl
and the smoke doth curl
from betwixt my ears.
With all the fears
of missing a key
I look but still don't see. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 12:57 am
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Torlax
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 		The poem changed
Check out wpfe.html again, it has changed.

"a wish to share and I can send my note for hope on again a few to bare my step to"

I warned you that this poem was strange
now it's gone and even changed

so it's a strange poem, there's no denying
another task that you'll find trying
the letters and spaces, count them all
and nine by nine defines the walls

another shape shall lie inside
where your next piece of truth resides

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 9:43 pm
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Torlax
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 		Further Spec
Okay, so if you do what the message says, you get this grid:

a wish to
share an
d I can s
end my no
te for ho
pe on aga
in a few
to bare m
y step to

I can't seem to get a good html formatted table for this.

I've been looking for the "shape that lies inside". The only letter pattern I see is the word "saint" from the s in wish back and down to the t in note. Any ideas?

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MageSteff
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 		Re: Further Spec
Torlax wrote:


I've been looking for the "shape that lies inside". The only letter pattern I see is the word "saint" from the s in wish back and down to the t in note. Any ideas?


If you "highlight the page you see a diamond shape under the poem, place that on the grid and you get:

saintberegonne

which leads to the first page of that name.
This was solved a couple of weeks ago.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:18 pm
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 		Whoops
Sorry, it seems like I'm behind again. My apologies for the clutter.

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MageSteff
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 		Re: Whoops
Torlax wrote:
Sorry, it seems like I'm behind again. My apologies for the clutter.


No prob. I also spelled it wrong...

SAINTEBEREGONNE
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 		Random thoughts
1+2+6=10.

It's the only equation that doesn't "add up".
It's the only equation with two plus signs.
It's on the only page where both equations have a double-digit "answer".
It's the only "uneven" shape; all of the others are rectangular around the set of equations, but the 1 juts up above in this one.

The only other use for a plus sign that I know of is a logical "or". But I don't see that as making much sense in this context.

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 		INFO: Screen shots of Greywethers.net number pages
I had this listed before, but I think I went to correct something and I must have deleted it somehow. Here I go again. See attachment below. Very Happy
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 		SPEC: "it's there by [i]design[/i] "
Just a thought about...

there's one thing that separates the numbers
on the page as the same in the name
so look for that sign
it's there by design
and it shows you which ones are the same

If taken literally, the one thing that separates the http numbers, from the numbers/equations on each page, it's the greywethers.net logo/design.

Could there be something hidden in the background design? Or could there be some way to use the letters in "greywethers.net" to further this along?

drizjr

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 		Just an observation....
Not that I can find any meaning to it...perhaps none exists.
But looking at the addy

http://www.greywethers.net/wpfd.html

wpfd upside down (or as at would be in a reflection) looks like
mbtq

the greywethers logo/design (see attached)

looks like

d-i-g-h-m-g-f-y-g-i-s-u-g-f
(with the H Y and S being backwards)

Doesn't it?

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MageSteff
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 		Re: SPEC: "it's there by [i]design[/i] "
drizjr wrote:
Just a thought about...

there's one thing that separates the numbers
on the page as the same in the name
so look for that sign
it's there by design
and it shows you which ones are the same

If taken literally, the one thing that separates the http numbers, from the numbers/equations on each page, it's the greywethers.net logo/design.

Could there be something hidden in the background design? Or could there be some way to use the letters in "greywethers.net" to further this along?

drizjr


I don't think that what it is refering to...
there's one thing that separates the numbers
on the page as the same in the name

i.e.
we have a 1+6.html
and we have a 1+6=7 equasion on 23+24.html, 12+17.html and 10+22.html.

so look for that sign
it's there by design
and it shows you which ones are the same

i.e. the equal sign shows which ones are the same.

spec: 1+6.html, 23+24.html, 10+22.html must have something that makes them the same...

we also have a 3+4.html but the equasion on page 5+21.html is stated as 4+3=7 so do we count those as being the same as the name 3+4.html...
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 		to recap
I've updated my page with all the formulae (see attachment). I remember one hint from psammead telling us to look for a pattern in the URL names. More than just the idea of letter pairs and the alphabet, I am beginning to suspect that there is a pattern in the numbers and HOW they are paired. But for now, I wanted to put everything on one HTML page for easy analysis. Note the order in which they were defined in the source code, and how the number of formula equations increases in a group at the bottom of the list. Perhaps there is a method to this random madness.
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 		Starting with the list of URLs in ascending order:
1+6
2+13
3+4
5+21

7+26
8+18
9+11
10+22

...etc.

Then looking at the number pairs in the URLs in *reverse* order:
26+7
25+14
24+23
22+10
21+5
20+15
19+16
18+8
17+12

etc.

It feels like there is some intentional symmetry in there. Perhaps by understanding why these "letter numbers" were paired the way they are, or by using the formulae to explain the pattern, we then get the proper alphabet assignments. ADIGONES has to become something new using all this mess.

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