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[Fenwicked]

[Grifter_7]

It's interesting that Bungie is promoting a book about ARGs on their web site but yet does not include the story of ilovebees to be a part of their canon.

[archon]

I FEEL people are making too much out of Joe saying what he did.

[NSA]

Phew I thought this forum had died

[ubersaurus]

Well, I asked Frankie over at Bungie about all this, and finally got this back...

"Joe's answer about Ilovebees was correct. We worked with them on it and made sure they didn't break canon. Also note that I worked more directly with the bees guys than Joe, so I had much more detail to give in my answers. Joe simply stated what he knew. "

So the bottom line is that Joe was inaccurate in stating the involvement Bungie had with the ARG, it would seem.

The question is if "not breaking canon" would qualify for being "canon".

[adfegg]

This is pretty much what we're all wanting to hear(hooray!).

As to whether 'not breaking canon' = 'canon'...hmm... That's a tough question but I really don't see why not, although I doubt that the storyline of future games is likely to reflect this, as the ILB story was probably entirely the product of 4orty2wo.

I've just completely contradicted myself there, haven't I? I guess the bottom line is, 'I don't know'.

[SuperJerms]

Well I see that as a hooooge difference (a positive one). To say that ILB is not breaking canon, yet is not canon is to say that it belongs in the Haloverse in a non-impactful way.

To me, that is much different than just saying it is not canon (which would say it doesn't belong in the Haloverse at all because it contradicts the basic tenents of the story). The second statement leaves ILB as a random story which is totally removed from Halo (totally unvalidating everything about ILB in the process). The first statement leaves ILB right where it started...a story set in the Haloverse. I can live with that much easier.

[weephun]

[ThaJinx]

[Anton P. Nym]

If I've decyphered the various quotes correctly, I think this is what was meant; ILB is part of the Halo universe (as are the novels) yet will not constrain where the game will go.

So ILB didn't break canon in its plot and setting, but it didn't create canonical definitions either.

I have to admit that I winced when Durga came out and mentioned Rampancy. I'd have to go back and listen to that segment again (oh, the pain, the pain...) to tell you why, except that something about it didn't ring true.

I know that Bungie Studios really wants to keep the "Last Spartan" theme alive, which may explain Joe's reluctance to accept ILB as canonical; the 1.1s and the continued recruitment efforts (viz Yasmine) kinda step on that. (So do the novels' Linda and Fred and the rest.)

-- Steve thinks that the ILB story was kewl, canonical or not.