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[HALO2] - Legislation on sales of video games to minors GDC
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Clayfoot wrote:
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Such legislation runs counter to my personal preference. I would rather keep the government out of it. Right now, I can limit my daughter's exposure to violence in video games in my house, but it gets murkier when you add XBox Live and similar services. I can't control what other people say and do online. Since I can't figure out who is old enough to play, I have no way to excuse myself from inappropriate games with kids, the way I would in real life. I would really favor technological and procedural approaches that allow adults at least the opportunity to act responsibly.

I could imagine an icon beside each person's name on XBox Live that means 'OK to play mature/teen/adult games'. XBox Live could verify the person's birthdate or current age by some reliable means. Like the 'Bungie.NET' marker beside gamer tags, participation could be optional. Gamers could use the icons to decide with whom they would play non-'E'-rated games. I would love to see the finger/age scanners in use, but I fear the expense of adding support for them would scare off XBox Live and end users.


Can't really blame Live/Microsoft much. In order to get an account you have to have a valid credit card. In order to have a valid credit card you have to be an adult. So as far as Live is concerned everyone with a live account is an adult. Again, it's irrresponsible parents allowing their children to play on accounts that they have set up, but it's really beyond the bounds of some company to say that parents can't do that.

I too would love knowing the approximate age of those I was playing with, but that also brings up all sorts of other issues. Privacy, worries about predators specifically looking for underage kids to mess with, cost to name a few.
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 		yeah and im still very much bored at work....
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Can't really blame Live/Microsoft much. In order to get an account you have to have a valid credit card. In order to have a valid credit card you have to be an adult. So as far as Live is concerned everyone with a live account is an adult.


I'm pretty sure you can buy subscription cards in a store without a credit card. Or do you still need to put in a credit card # to use the subscription?
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thunderclap8 wrote:
weephun wrote:



Can't really blame Live/Microsoft much. In order to get an account you have to have a valid credit card. In order to have a valid credit card you have to be an adult. So as far as Live is concerned everyone with a live account is an adult.


I'm pretty sure you can buy subscription cards in a store without a credit card. Or do you still need to put in a credit card # to use the subscription?


I dont think you need a credit card number, but then again when i signed up with the trial account number i still needed a credit card.
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Can't really blame Live/Microsoft much. In order to get an account you have to have a valid credit card. In order to have a valid credit card you have to be an adult. So as far as Live is concerned everyone with a live account is an adult.


I'm pretty sure you can buy subscription cards in a store without a credit card. Or do you still need to put in a credit card # to use the subscription?


I remember that I had to use a credit card to make an account with the two month card that came with Halo 2. And by default they will bill you for an entire year, not monthly. Found that out the hard way. Evil or Very Mad
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yeah and im still very much bored at work....


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I think the video game industry's concerns with money go beyond just retail sales.


There is no doubt that economics plays a major role in the interest of game developers to limit legislation. Still, if you look at the summary of the GDC meeting about this issue that I posted in the beginning of the thread, you will see that topics like the "chilling effect" of legislation on creative game design is also a concern.
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drseuss90 wrote:
yeah and im still very much bored at work....


http://www.urban75.com/Mag/bubble.html


Ive got to know how long that kept you occupied the first time you found it......

its quite fun actually!
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Again, it's irrresponsible parents allowing their children to play on accounts that they have set up, but it's really beyond the bounds of some company to say that parents can't do that.

Yes. You do need a credit card no matter if you buy the 1-year card with cash. It's a "realiable" way to verify legal age. So, an adult certainly gave permission to the kids playing on Live. Again, if adults don't have any idea of what online gaming is, then they shouldn't allow their kids to play. If they do, well, they're probably negligent with other things and this might be the least of their problems ...
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Yes. You do need a credit card no matter if you buy the 1-year card with cash. It's a "realiable" way to verify legal age. So, an adult certainly gave permission to the kids playing on Live. Again, if adults don't have any idea of what online gaming is, then they shouldn't allow their kids to play. If they do, well, they're probably negligent with other things and this might be the least of their problems ...


Sadly, judging by the quality of youngsters I've encountered on Live I would guess that the parents have no idea what is going on whatsoever. What ever happened to parenting skills? My mom listened to every cassette tape I bought for about a year after I started getting interested in popular music. If something was wrong with it, it was taken from me. Eventually she started trusting my choice in what to listen to. It was incredibly annoying at the time, but now I can see why she did it and I'm thankful. I know I'll do the same for my (hypothetical and few years down the road yet) kids.
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 		What if you have a parent that knows what Halo is and what online play is and thinks its perfectly acceptable to allow their child to play. Shouldn't that be the parents right? I'm not saying i advocate such behavior, but what if the parent thinks their child is mature enough to handle it? I don't think you can call a parent irresponsible becaus they let their child play xbox live. They may in fact be very responsible.

Again, if I were a father I wouldn't let my young child play halo, but at the same time I would feel more comfortable knowing that it was my choice to keep my child from it, and not the government's.
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Microsoft wrote:
http://www.xbox.com/en-us/live/about/accounts-creation.htm
You will need a standard Visa, MasterCard, or American Express card, or a debit card branded with a Visa or MasterCard logo. Yes, you already paid for the first 12 months of service when you bought your Starter Kit, but your account must be linked to a valid credit card. Your card will not be charged for any additional charges without your explicit consent for the duration of the 12 months of service.

Soooo, yep.

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What if you have a parent that knows what Halo is and what online play is and thinks its perfectly acceptable to allow their child to play. Shouldn't that be the parents right? I'm not saying i advocate such behavior, but what if the parent thinks their child is mature enough to handle it? I don't think you can call a parent irresponsible becaus they let their child play xbox live. They may in fact be very responsible.

Again, if I were a father I wouldn't let my young child play halo, but at the same time I would feel more comfortable knowing that it was my choice to keep my child from it, and not the government's.


And that's the problem with going any further than what LIVE has already done by requiring a credit card. It is the parents right to choose what their children play/watch/hear. We may disagree with the choice that they are making, but we should not take it away from them.
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Microsoft wrote:
http://www.xbox.com/en-us/live/about/accounts-creation.htm
You will need a standard Visa, MasterCard, or American Express card, or a debit card branded with a Visa or MasterCard logo. Yes, you already paid for the first 12 months of service when you bought your Starter Kit, but your account must be linked to a valid credit card. Your card will not be charged for any additional charges without your explicit consent for the duration of the 12 months of service.

Soooo, yep.

drseuss90 wrote:
What if you have a parent that knows what Halo is and what online play is and thinks its perfectly acceptable to allow their child to play. Shouldn't that be the parents right? I'm not saying i advocate such behavior, but what if the parent thinks their child is mature enough to handle it? I don't think you can call a parent irresponsible becaus they let their child play xbox live. They may in fact be very responsible.

Again, if I were a father I wouldn't let my young child play halo, but at the same time I would feel more comfortable knowing that it was my choice to keep my child from it, and not the government's.


And that's the problem with going any further than what LIVE has already done by requiring a credit card. It is the parents right to choose what their children play/watch/hear. We may disagree with the choice that they are making, but we should not take it away from them.


Right, its just like R rated movies. You can bring your child with you to see it if you think its ok. I really don't think we can do much more than trust the parents without infringing on some sort of freedom that we enjoy.
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