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 		SPEC: The greywethers pages equals a new picture
Yup, here I go again. But please listen.
All of the Sainte Beregonne pages end up at a painting. But leading up to it are names of mathemticians, alchemists, artists and different types of math problems. The last email from greywethers tells us to look at the painting of Jackson Pollack, titiled "Alchemy" 1947. I did some reading on Pollock and it seems he was into alchemy and fractals. Fractals are also like pixels. Pixels are used in pictures. So I think the 13 pages at Greywethers are telling us how to change the Greywethers picture to give us the password. Just like Pollock's pictures have images "hidden" in them. So maybe the Greywethers picture has an image hidden in it. Also, with the lightcone theory of seeing the same thing, but different ways....
I have no idea how to do this, so I hope someone else does. Below is the Greywethers picture and the link to it. I hope someone knows how to do this. Also below is an article about fractals which mentions Euclidean, Lorenz, chaos theory etc.
Also, the last two lines at the wpfd page says: "the method needed all but stares in the eyes of the clever mortal" which I alway thought of as "seeing" something. So maybe we are to see what the Greywethers picture is trying to tell us.

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Many people have seen or heard of fractals, but very few know what they actually are. The answer to the question "What are fractals?" is really simple. Fractals can be anything that contains self-similar images within itself. For example, the human circulatory system is a fractal. If you look at the blood vessels in your hand, they resemble the overall shape that the complete system takes on. We are constantly surrounded by fractals and most don't realize it. The computer generated images on this page are fractals, but they are not the only fractals. Most occur naturally. From this point on I will discuss the computer-generated fractals like those that you will find in the Bare Fractals and Fractal Art sections.

Computer generated fractals are created using fractal geometry. This new kind of geometry dismisses the Euclidean way of looking at the world. A mathematician would tell you that fractals are created at the boundary between chaos and order. To fully understand fractals, one must understand the chaos theory.

The theory states that everything is subjected to so many variables that it becomes almost, but not completely, random. A meteorologist named Edward Lorenz helped to pioneer the study of chaology when he discovered a disturbing fact. No matter how much information he gathered, his weather predictions would quickly fail because there was no way he could use all the variables of the weather. A small change in the location of a sun spot would be amplified until it had a large impact. This is the basis for the chaos theory. No matter how much information one gathers, it is still not possible to make a completely accurate prediction because he can't take into account the endless amount of variables involved or the impact and feedback caused by a slight change in one of the billions of variables.

Fractals are not completely chaotic. They have an order to them that keeps them from being totally chaotic or totally orderly. Benoit Mandelbrot helped to discover the order in fractals. He found the self-similar charactersitics in his fracatal sets.

Fractals can be drawn without a computer. One example of this is the Koch Curve. The Koch curve starts as a straight line. The next step is to add a peak in the middle of that straight line. This can be done forever and create a simple and self-similar fractal. The Koch Curve is demonstrated in the animation below. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/6976/what.htm


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http://www.greywethers.net/images/frontis.jpg


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 		Or maybe it's the small one on each of the pages. One of our hints said something like: look for what separates the names on the page and the numbers. And someone said that would be the "greywethers.net" logo. So here is that one and the link.

http://www.greywethers.net/images/top.jpg


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 		Re: SPEC: The greywethers pages equals a new picture
Myssfitz wrote:
All of the Sainte Beregonne pages end up at a painting. ...


Actually I think the one in window3.html is Stained glass, or painted stained glass....


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Fractals can be drawn without a computer. One example of this is the Koch Curve. The Koch curve starts as a straight line. The next step is to add a peak in the middle of that straight line. This can be done forever and create a simple and self-similar fractal. The Koch Curve is demonstrated in the animation below. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/6976/what.htm



Interesting, I'll add it to my list of scientific theorys from GW.
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 		Re: SPEC: The greywethers pages equals a new picture
Magesteff wrote:
Myssfitz wrote:
All of the Sainte Beregonne pages end up at a painting. ...


Actually I think the one in window3.html is Stained glass, or painted stained glass....



Well forgive me. Let me rephrase. They all end up at different types of artistical genre. The rest of my spec still stands. I've found something hidden in the picture. Wether it's meant to be there or not, I don't know.
And since I'm regarded as not really knowing much and I am ignored and treated like sh*t, I won't bother explaining my ideas. Enjoy the game. I know I WAS.
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 		Re: SPEC: The greywethers pages equals a new picture
Myssfitz wrote:

And since I'm regarded as not really knowing much and I am ignored and treated like sh*t, I won't bother explaining my ideas. Enjoy the game. I know I WAS.


I've never thought that you don't have any good ideas, Myssfitz. I'm sorry you feel that way. Sad I welcome all spec from everyone.
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 		Re: SPEC: The greywethers pages equals a new picture
[quote="Myssfitz]Well forgive me. Let me rephrase. They all end up at different types of artistical genre. The rest of my spec still stands. I've found something hidden in the picture. Wether it's meant to be there or not, I don't know.
And since I'm regarded as not really knowing much and I am ignored and treated like sh*t, I won't bother explaining my ideas. Enjoy the game. I know I WAS.[/quote]

Sweetheart, Ursulla, you an I think along the same lines on things, sometimes I think you are the only one that give my hairbrained off tangent ideas any real consideration. Please please, don't be mad at me, I only indented it to be an observation, not a slap. I apologize six ways if that is how you read me, and get on my knees, which is a difficult thing for me to do, because it is so blasted difficult for me to get back up.
:nudge, nudge: Are we OK, girlfiend?
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 		Re: SPEC: The greywethers pages equals a new picture
Myssfitz wrote:
Yup, here I go again. But please listen.
All of the Sainte Beregonne pages end up at a painting..... Pixels are used in pictures. So I think the 13 pages at Greywethers are telling us how to change the Greywethers picture to give us the password. Just like Pollock's pictures have images "hidden" in them. So maybe the Greywethers picture has an image hidden in it. Also, with the lightcone theory of seeing the same thing, but different ways....
I have no idea how to do this, so I hope someone else does. Below is the Greywethers picture and the link to it. I hope someone knows how to do this. Also below is an article about fractals which mentions Euclidean, Lorenz, chaos theory etc.
Also, the last two lines at the wpfd page says: "the method needed all but stares in the eyes of the clever mortal" which I alway thought of as "seeing" something. So maybe we are to see what the Greywethers picture is trying to tell us.



OK, Ursulla, let me help track down some items along this line, if I may sweetie... Very Happy
I did a google on "Painting Dots Landscapes" and came up with the following tidbits...
Style, post-imppresionism, called Pointillism. Close up it is just a bunch of dots but as you pull back from it you can see the subject(s) of the picture.
A few of the painters in this catagory are Georges Seurat
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/S/seurat.html
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"Admirers of Seurat often regret his method, the little dots. Imagine, Renoir said, Veronese's Marriage at Cana done in petit point. I cannot imagine it, but neither can I imagine Seurat's pictures painted in broad or blended strokes. Like his choice of tones, Seurat's technique is intensely personal. But the dots are not simply a technique; they are a tangible surface and the ground of important qualities, including his finesse. Too much has been written, and often incorrectly, about the scientific nature of the dots. The question whether they make a picture more or less luminous hardly matters. A painting can be luminous and artistically dull, or low-keyed in color and radiant to the mind. Besides, bow to paint brightly is no secret requiring a special knowledge of science. Like Van Gogh, Seurat could have used strong colors in big areas for a brighter effect. But without his peculiar means we would not have the marvelous delicacy of tone, the uncountable variations within a narrow range, the vibrancy and soft luster, which make his canvases, and especially his landscapes, a joy to contemplate. Nor would we have his surprising image-world where the continuous form is built up from the discrete, and the solid masses emerge from an endless scattering of fine points - a mystery of the coming-into-being for the eye. The dots in Seurat's paintings have something of the quality of the black grains in his incomparable drawings in conte crayon where the varying density of the grains determines the gradations of tone. This span from the tiny to the large is only one of the many striking polarities in his art.
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Seurat's dots are a refined device which belongs to art as much as to sensation - the visual world is not perceived as a mosaic of colored points, but this artificial micro-pattern serves the painter as a means of order portioning and nuancing sensation beyond the familiar qualities of the objects that the colors evoke. Here one recalls Rimbaud's avowal in his Alchemy of the Word: "I regulated the form and the movement of each consonant," which was to inspire in the poets of Seurat's generation a similar search of the smallest units of poetic effect.


and some more on Seurat from the same website, on his painting Sunday on La Grande Jatte :
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/S/seurat/jatte.jpg.html
Quote:
Text from "Sister Wendy's American Masterpieces":
"Seurat's Grande Jatte is one of those rare works of art that stand alone; its transcendence is instinctively recognized by everyone. What makes this transcendence so mysterious is that the theme of the work is not some profound emotion or momentous event, but the most banal of workaday scenes: Parisians enjoying an afternoon in a local park. Yet we never seem to fathom its elusive power. Stranger still, when he painted it, Seurat was a mere 25 (with only seven more years to live), a young man with a scientific theory to prove; this is hardly the recipe for success. His theory was optical: the conviction that painting in dots, known as pointillism or divisionism, would produce a brighter color than painting in strokes.
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There is no untidiness in Seurat; all is beautifully balanced. The park was quite a noisy place: a man blows his bugle, children run around, there are dogs. Yet the impression we receive is of silence, of control, of nothing disordered. I think it is this that makes La Grande Jatte so moving to us who live in such a disordered world: Seurat's control. There is an intellectual clarity here that sets him free to paint this small park with an astonishing poetry.


Ursulla I will be back after I follow some of these nice tangents you have opened up for me, K?[/i]

*Edit* By the way, Seurat has a painting titled "Side Show"
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/S/seurat/parade.jpg.html
Shadows of The Fortuneteller and AGP?

Ursulla this is a good one sweetie.. I'm going to have fun following all the little paths.
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 		Following up on Ursullas Spec of Artistic forms...
Tracking from Ursulla's (MyzFytz) spec that we should look more at the artistic side of things and not just the scientific side offered. I followed her
spec about the Main picture to the painting style "Pointillism" to Seurat, and here I'm diverging off into Rimbault's writings since it was mentioned on one of the Seurat pages (specifically his "Alchemy of the Word")
the following comes from this site:
http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/georgios_ii/poetry/rimbaud/
As translated by Paul Schmidt, and published in 1976 by Harper Colophon Books, Harper & Row.
Several pages speak about Cities:

http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/georgios_ii/poetry/rimbaud/city.html
Quote:

I am an ephemeral and a not too discontented citizen of a metropolis considered modern because all known taste has been evaded in the furnishings and the exterior of the houses as well as in the layout of
the city. Here you will fail to detect the least trace of any monument of
superstition.
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...
And from my window I see new specters rolling through the
thick eternal smoke — our woodland shade, our summer night!
...
...
Death without tears, our diligent
daughter and servant, a desperate Love, and a pretty Crime howling in the
mud in the street.



Here are some excerpts (sp?) from Alchemy of the Word:

http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/georgios_ii/poetry/rimbaud/season_in_hell/Alchemy_5.html
Quote:
...What I liked were : absurd paintings, pictures over doorways, stage sets, carnival backdrops, billboards, bright-colored prints ; old-fashioned literature, church Latin, erotic books full of misspellings, the kind of novels our grandmothers read, fairy tales, little children's books, old operas, silly old songs, the naïve rhythms of country rimes.
I dreamed of Crusades, voyages of discovery that nobody had heard of, republics without histories, religious wars stamped out, revolutions in morals, movements of races and continents : I used to believe in every kind of magic.

I invented colors for the vowels ! - A black, E white, I red, O blue, U green. - I made rules for the form and movement of every consonant, and I boasted of inventing, with rhythms from within me, a kind of poetry that all the senses, sooner or later, would recognize. And I alone would be its translator.
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I got used to elementary hallucination : I could very precisely see a mosque instead of a factory, a drum corps of angels, horse carts on the highways of the sky, a drawing room at the bottom of a lake ; monsters and mysteries ; a vaudeville's title filled me with awe.
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It seemed to me that everyone should have had several other lives as well. This gentleman doesn't know what he's doing : he's an angel. That family is a litter of puppy dogs. With some men, I often talked out loud with a moment from one of their other lives.


I was quite surprised when I found that Rimbaud has a work entitled "Side Show" as well.... and very creepy sounding... Listen...
http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/georgios_ii/poetry/rimbaud/sideshow.html
Quote:
Very sturdy rogues. Several have exploited your worlds. With no needs, and in no hurry to make use of their brilliant faculties and their
knowledge of your conveniences. What ripe men! Eyes vacant like the summer night, red and black, tricolored, steel studded with gold stars; faces distorted, leaden, blanched, ablaze; burlesque hoarsenesses! ...
...endowed with terrifying voices and some dangerous resources.
...
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In improvised costumes like something out of a bad dream, they enact heroic romances of brigands and of demigods, more inspiriting than history or religions have ever been.
...
Master jugglers, they transform place and persons and have
recourse to magnetic comedy. Eyes flame, blood sings, bones swell, tears and red trickles flow, Their clowning or their terror lasts a minute or
entire months.

I alone have the key to this savage side show.

:shiver:
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