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jordanmc
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[Puzzle] /nature [SOLVED] www.againstthewillofgod.com/nature
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:15 am
OrthodoxParadox
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Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 41
Here is the thing rotated for easier viewing. Hope this helps
EDIT: I've also included a printable version by inverting the colors for work with pen and paper it is natureinverted, enjoy
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:26 am
Chorus
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Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 25
Finished!
It's a grid-style, or "japanese-style", puzzle.
Mad props to Ortho (photographer) for making this easier to do by hand.
The answer is..
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:33 am
bartmans
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Good solve. Kudos.
So now we know that Clea's also changed in the course of the experiment, something that was suspected earlier and which would explain some of Clea's remarks from her e-mails.
This would either mean that Him is leading a group of technicians (They?) that has done the surgery and are overlooking the experiment or that Him has supernatural powers.
Quote:
I should have... I should have.... I should have
doubted His decision. I should have... I should have told Him. I
should have said something... I don't have to be here... I don't have
to be here.
Mark here that Clea is talking about Him and His, which, in the form as they are capitalised seem to point to God. On the other hand this is quite unlikely, since the title of the website is 'against the will of God' and I'm pretty sure the experiment was the intention of Him all along.
Or could it be the case that the experiment has turned against Him. It seems that Him is not present anymore, we have only learned about his existence form the logs and from Clea. What has happened to Him? Did the experiment eventually also develop into something which was against His will?
Thus far, the info we have would support both the option of a research group and of a religous battle. I don't know for sure, but my instinct would vote for the last one.
Any one of you who knows about power-battles between God and the Devil? The only one I know of is when the angel Lucifer wanted more power and became the Devil, which can not be the case here.
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:16 am
chippy
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Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 789 Location: Leeds, UK
yes congrats on another quick solve!
good point bartmans. i now think the new friend IS ecc, there connected in the same world as syn.
i think the idea that "Him" is God is interesting. was reading forums about Constantine. basic idea was, why did God allow this to happen? Answer was if i recall correctly, that even that really bad stuff, must in some way be in Gods plan.
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:07 am
jazzysixx
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Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 56 Location: PA, USA
Chip? I couldn't get the "chip" thing out of my head (so to speak), and I found this:
http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Bioe/BioeMcGe.htm
the article speaks about brain chip implants and how a person will be able to communicate "invisibly".
the most interesting part of this article this:
even if it would someday be possible to convey such higher-level information to the brain and that is a huge technical "If" we should not do it. Bringing light impulses to the visual cortex of a blind person would justify such an intrusion, but unnecessarily tapping into the brain is a violation of our bodies, of nature, and for many, of God's design."
Hmmmm....anyone?
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:15 am
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Varin
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Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 2456 Location: South of where I used to be
Chorus wrote:
Finished!
It's a grid-style, or "japanese-style", puzzle.
Any chance that you could explain the solve technique to those of us who missed our morning coffee?
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:34 am
Omnie
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Re: Chip?
Wow, that's a wonderful link.
that link wrote:
Ethical appraisal of implantable computer chips should assess at least the following areas of concern: issues of safety and informed consent, issues of manufacturing and scientific responsibility, anxieties about the psychological impacts of enhancing human nature, worries about possible usage in children, and most troublesome, issues of privacy and autonomy.
They might also want to consider the ever-troublesome "let's torture our subject!" issue. Interesting stuff.
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:46 am
Kelis
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Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 193
Varin wrote:
Any chance that you could explain the solve technique
Just in case it ever turns up in another puzzle or something.
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:49 pm
Chorus
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Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 25
The solve -- no problem, should've thought of that earlier.
The numbers in each row/column indicate how many blanks in the column should be colored in. The middle column, for example, indicates "31 11" -- meaning that there is a solid row of 31 blocks somewhere in that column, then at least one blank space, and then a solid row of 11 blocks. There can also be blanks at the beginning and end -- all that is indicated is the number of solid blocks, and the order in which they occur. "1 1 1 1 1" would mean that there are 5 single colored blocks in the row, and each one has at least one space separating it from the others.
That's how the puzzle is done, in theory.
The key to actually solving this puzzle is in seeing that the only unique column is the middle -- 31 11. After that, they're symmetrical about that column - the column to the right is the SAME as the column to the left. This lets us fill in the middle easily enough, since a row that contains "1 1" MUST not have any blocks in the middle filled in, or it would not be symmetrical. This helps us place the 31 and 11. Single digit rows are easy, after that, since they're just symmetrical about the middle column, as are all the "middle" numbers, like the 5 in "1 3 5 3 1".
It does also require a bit of a leap of faith -- there are a couple of different ways in which the "1 1 1" and "1 1" and "2 2" columns in the middle and the end could be aligned, so I chose the design that seemed most aesthetically appropriate and tested it for consistency.
And got the answer.
Print out ortho's inverted graphic if you want to try it yourself -- these are great puzzles, that one was just HUGE. I doubt there will be more, but it never hurts to be prepared!
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:30 pm
Kozu
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Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 47
This topic needs to have its [solved] tag. I got all excited.
Good job, though.
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:48 pm
Nadif
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Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 318 Location: Brazil
Good job guys! Too bad I missed that; unfortunately I'll miss tonight's session too, a friend's band is launching their new cd and I promised to be there - but if the show ends soon enough maybe I'll be home in time for the new puzzle.
In the meanwhile, please tell Syn that BlackWhite is saying hi, or better, yay!
M.
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:24 pm
Crowfoot
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Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 385 Location: UK
I missed that puzzle entirely, but it was damn fun to try and solve. I gave up in the end, but it was good trying. What time is the chat tonight? It's midnight now and I'm not tired, so I think maybe I could catch it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:03 pm
Omnie
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Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 772
We don't actually know when they happen, do we? I mean, it's just sometime in the evening, and sometimes not at all, right?
(I'm hoping I didn't miss something - the Greek text on chaton doesn't change, does it? It would be awesome if it redirected to "chatoff" on no-chat nights)
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:26 pm
OmegaX
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Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 360 Location: Dartmouth, NS, Canada
Why would it do that? "Chaton" has nothing to do with "chat" (at least the English word), it's French for "kitten". To quote another (non-ARG) forum I frequent, "Read or the owl will EAT you!"
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