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grumpyboy
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 		klee5.html solved

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
it's a turning grille (u'll have to google that, i couldn't think of a short way to explain it)

decoding gives:

zero5218123five6
or
0521812356

which is the ISBN for "Paul Klee's Pictorial Writing" by K. Porter Aichele

the new page is: http://www.greywethers.net/pictorialwriting.html

enaxor found that the painting on the page is by Klee called "Once Emerged from the Gray of Night"


HUGH assist to enaxor for slapping me and saying "you're doing the grille wrong, you idiot!" (something like that) Very Happy

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y2kbozo
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 		More from klee5...
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
On http://www.greywethers.net/pictorialwriting.html , if you hold down the mouse button and move over the gray area, it lightens to show:

v a c a t e

which leads to: http://www.greywethers.net/vacate.html


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reesylou wrote:
'X'ing the zero may just be to prompt us to notice/follow it... rather than to cancel it out.

Just a thought.


<shrug> could be, but we won't know for certain until we find the path that leads all the way from Klee/Beckman to StB4 portal page.
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
On http://www.greywethers.net/pictorialwriting.html , if you hold down the mouse button and move over the gray area, it lightens to show:

v a c a t e

which leads to: http://www.greywethers.net/vacate.html


I could not, for the life of me, get this grey area to show me ANYTHING.

This next page has nothing for us.....maybe another word to add to the pile? What are the other "one word" pages from greywether? Anyone been keeping a master list?
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Taking the two "end pages", VACATE from the Klee thread, and "WELLNESS" from the Beckmann thread, we can anagram to "WALLACESTEVENS"

Which brings us to the page that was found last night via the back door:

http://www.greywethers.net/wallacestevens.html


And that's how we get to SB4!
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 		Grey area and a good job by all
konamouse wrote:

I could not, for the life of me, get this grey area to show me ANYTHING.



All I get is the pointy finger that tells me something is there, but I can't get the vord to pop up either Kona. And I'm running SWF 6. Maybe that is the problem. Good thing we are all working together on this isn't it. Very Happy

Good job by the way to Exanor, Grumpyboy, y2kbozo, and Laz. Kudos ppl!
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konamouse wrote:
I could not, for the life of me, get this grey area to show me ANYTHING.


y2kbozo posted the following explanation over at CD:

y2kbozo wrote:
Try this, move the mouse to the inside of the gray rectangle, left click and hold, move the mouse in and out of the rectangle (it seems you have to pass over the edge) holding the left button down. Takes 10 or 15 seconds.


I tried it, and it worked for me.
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 		Now that SB4 has been solved, the new "window" (http://www.greywethers.net/window4.html) shows us a painting by Jackson Pollock. Titled "Alchemy", 1947. Oil, aluminum (and enamel?) paint, and string on canvas, 114.6 x 221.3 cm. (that's 45 x 87 in. for the metricly challenged), it is part of the Guggenheim collection.

The image on window4 has 7 hot spots that play musical notes when activated. Being musically challenged (i.e. tin ear), I was unable to make any headway against this puzzle.

In chat, it was discovered that an jazz artist named Jane Ira Bloom (http://www.janeirabloom.com/) had recorded an album in March 2003 called "Chasing Paint: Jane Ira Bloom Meets Jackson Pollock", which has a track called "Alchemy". ALH 1213 found a site that had a 30 second WMA sample from the piece, which is attached.

In earlier chat, catherwood made the following observation (formatted for clarity):

catherwood wrote:
the notes (in my notation) are 1 .... 5 (left right, top row) and 3...7.4....6..2 (bottom "row") - just about to match them to a piano keyboard - now the notes are the contiguous notes from middle C: C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F# reading "across" the painting, the tones are 1, 3, 7, 4, 5, 6, 2 -- or C, D, F#, D#, E, F, C#


Hopefully, the less musically challenged among us will take this and run.
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grumpyboy
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LazarusLong wrote:


y2kbozo wrote:
Try this, move the mouse to the inside of the gray rectangle, left click and hold, move the mouse in and out of the rectangle (it seems you have to pass over the edge) holding the left button down. Takes 10 or 15 seconds.


I tried it, and it worked for me.



Cool, that worked for me too (it was really starting to bother me). The longer you move the mouse in and out of the grey box, the more distinct the word becomes.

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 		thanks, grumpy. I FINALLY got it to show to me too by repeatedly moving in and out of the box.

Hey! I had to work to find a clue! To whom do I complain?
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MageSteff
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grumpyboy wrote:
LazarusLong wrote:


y2kbozo wrote:
Try this, move the mouse to the inside of the gray rectangle, left click and hold, move the mouse in and out of the rectangle (it seems you have to pass over the edge) holding the left button down. Takes 10 or 15 seconds.


I tried it, and it worked for me.



Cool, that worked for me too (it was really starting to bother me). The longer you move the mouse in and out of the grey box, the more distinct the word becomes.


Kind a reminds me of the crayon resist painting I did as a child....
yo0u draw your picture then paint over it with black paint which soaks into the paper anywhere the crayon isn't....

And a bit like Phyllis's home....
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 		SPEC Wild Tangent, Rimbaud to Musical Brain...
Ursulla has mentioned may be we should be looking more at the painting at the gfront door of greywethers... which led me to Pointillism, which led me to Seurat, which led me to "Alchemy of the Word" by Rimbaud, which led me to his "THE ORPHANS' NEW YEAR'S GIFTS"
http://www.theconnection.org/firstchapter/2002/04/fc_8731.asp
which had a link on the right side of the page "Tan Dun's Musical Map"...
which led me to Scientifi American (luv that mag...)
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000AD6EB-D38E-1DF8-9733809EC588EEDF "Scientists Refine Musical Map of the Brain"

Quote:
Petr Janata of Dartmouth University and his colleagues used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to track the brain activity of eight volunteers while they listened to music. Study co-author Jeffrey Birk composed a melody that moved through all 24 major and minor keys in a pattern representative of Western music. Depicted as a geometric shape, this pattern conforms to a donut-shaped figure known as a torus. By asking the subjects to identify test tones and the sound of a different instrument buried within the tune, the researchers were able to determine that the rostromedial prefrontal cortex was primarily responsible for tracing the music as it "moved" over the surface of the torus. "This region in the front of the brain where we mapped musical activity is important for a number of functions, like assimiliating information that is important to one's self, or mediating interactions between emotional and non-emotional information," Janata notes. The results, he says, help "provide a stronger foundation for explaining the link between music, emotion and the brain." --Sarah Graham

[I'm going to try to attach the music file if I can get it loaded properly...]

and also this article "Speaking in Tones" By Alan Hall (Nov. 1999 issue)
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000E0423-66D1-1C75-9B81809EC588EF21
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In the Western world, musicians with so-called perfect, or absolute, pitch are an envied rarity. While most people trained in music learn to identify a note from a reference point, say C, those with perfect pitch can sing an E flat on demand and tell you that the wind blowing through the trees outside is G sharp and that the distant car horn is an F. Only one in 10,000 people seem to have this talent; the rest must get along with what's called "relative pitch." Scientists studying this intriquing phenomenon have drawn various conclusions--some insist it can be learned at an early age, others that it is hereditary.

But it now seems that perfect pitch is just a fact of life for many people in Asia. In a paper that will be presented on November 4 at the annual meeting of the Acoustical Society of America, Diana Deutsch, Trevor Henthorn of the Department of Psychology at the University of California San Diego and Mark Dolson of E-mu/Creative Technology Center show that native speakers of tonal languages, even those with no musical training whatsoever, exhibit a remarkable ability to sound perfect pitches.
The researchers studied subjects speaking Vietnamese and Mandarin Chinese. In both these languages the meanings of words are conveyed by the pitch at which they are uttered. Seven Vietnamese subjects were given a list of 10 words to read rapidly; the words were chosen so that they spanned a range of tones common in Vietnamese speech. The recorded samples were analyzed for pitch at 5 millisecond intervals and an average pitch was obtained. The next day, subjects were presented with the same list and the results were compared.

The results showed an astonishing consistency. The data from all seven subjects displayed averaged pitch differences of less than 1.1 semitone, and four of the seven displayed averaged pitch differences of less than .5 semitone.

Then the investigators turned to Mandarin. They asked 15 Mandarin speakers to read a list of 12 words which also spanned the range of tones frequent in Mandarin speech. But this time, they made the test a bit harder. Each subject was asked to read each word twice after a 20 second wait. So the same words were read four times--twice on each of two days. Four different scores were calculated from the recordings--between the first and second readings on the same day, and between the first and second readings on different days.

Once again, surprising consistencies emerged. For all comparisons, half of the subjects showed averaged pitch differences of less than .5 semitone, and one-third of the subjects showed averaged pitch differences of less than .25 semitone. In addition, statistical analyses found no significant difference in the degree of pitch consistency in reading out the word list on different days, compared with reading it twice in immediate succession.

The investigators conclude that the subjects must have been referring to precise and stable absolute pitch templates in pronouncing the words they were asked to read. If that is the case, then the potential for acquiring absolute pitch may be universal, and it can be realized by the association of pitches with meaningful words very early in life.

So, if you wish your children to be imbued with perfect pitch, teach them Mandarin. Or maybe play a tape over the crib that sings E flat in E flat and G sharp in G sharp. Still, none of this explains why a handful of Westerners end up with perfect pitch, seemingly by accident.

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 		musical notes
possibly the spacing between the notes would help.
based on the catherwood post C,D,F#,D#,E,F,C#
assuming we stay in a 5 step range and are not going into octaves the steps would be

c to d =1
d to F#=2
f# to D#= 1.5 (actually minus 1.5)
d# to e = .5
e to f = .5
f to c# = 2 ( or again minus 2)

maybe this will help?

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 		Re: musical notes
oc2000 wrote:
possibly the spacing between the notes would help.
based on the catherwood post C,D,F#,D#,E,F,C#
assuming we stay in a 5 step range and are not going into octaves the steps would be

c to d =1
d to F#=2
f# to D#= 1.5 (actually minus 1.5)
d# to e = .5
e to f = .5
f to c# = 2 ( or again minus 2)

maybe this will help?


For some reason I want to say "Musical Map," and it represents the number of units to something, i.e. 1 (step) (turn), 2 (step)(turn), 1 and an half step and turn.... in which case the minus numbers would represent turning the other direction...

Just a wild hunch, and I have no idea where it came from....
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 		Re: musical notes
oc2000 wrote:
...based on the catherwood post C,D,F#,D#,E,F,C#
assuming we stay in a 5 step range and are not going into octaves...?


Before this becomes gospel, let me clarify that order by saying that the notes are NOT portrayed in a straight line on screen. It looks more like this:
Code:
1.............5.......
C.............E.......
...3..7...4......6..2.
...D..F#..D#.....F..C#


But yes, these notes are all within the same octave, being a straight sequence up from middle C.

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