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Ashurbanipal
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 		re: js link
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Tiny wrote:
http://www.vagabondssojourn.net/paradiso/
Heh, I'm reading His divine comedy right now, so that definetly jumped out at me! Very Happy No idea what the hell the next page is though... Heywood Jablome=Hey would you blow me...creepy symbols n shit Confused
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Edit: That link is a solve by the way...
Edit again: copy and paste that link in the source to your browser, it downloads a file called Js, I can't think of anyway to open it though, tried all I could.


What link in the source? All I see are .gifs.


I'm pretty sure he's referring to the javascript file from the source code:
"document.write("<SCRIPT SRC='animated.js'></SCRIPT>");"

animated.js is the javascript with all the planetary motion and such, check it out at http://www.vagabondssojourn.net/animated.js

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enaxor wrote:
Nice job Hungry, thanks. I wonder why the red herring. Confused


Possibly:

vs_faery wrote:
But beware the temptations of the dubious or the untrustworthy. Should you choose to accept what is false, so too shall be your reward. Accept the truth, and the truth shall set you free.


And "let not these phantoms blind you" and all that.

Incidentally, sent a reply trying to get more information:

Phaedra wrote:
> Such curiosity is to be commended!

I am delighted that you find it commendable rather than condemnable.

> What names I go by in this strange, unreal place are but allegory.
> Should I reveal myself, and spoil the journey for you?

No, please don't. I enjoy journeys, often more than I enjoy arriving
at the destination.

"This strange, unreal place..." -- are you speaking of this world in
general (are we all in the strange, unreal place) or is this somewhere
that you occupy, apart from us?

> My name means less than it should, but contains the entire truth.

Isn't that usually the case with names? Wink

> The Him you speak of and the Him I serve are two very different
> concepts entirely.

Ah. Thank you for that clarification.

> I presume you speak of the Creator of your Book of
> Genesis.

I do.

And yet I assume there is some connection between them, since you
directed us to Genesis.

Unless you are speaking of a demiurge?

> While He whom I speak of is not your Creator, His feats and
> deeds have given reason for worship from many.

Do you worship Him? As opposed to the G-d of Genesis?

You say "your Creator." Is the G-d of Genesis not your creator?

> Forgive me if I lead you into confusion,

As long as you lead me not into temptation, I can probably handle
confusion. Smile

> He was one of the first, but He is not alone. His way is to teach and
> to learn. He has been Wandering for millenia, and is known by many
> names and many titles.

Do you pray for His safe return, or is there nothing that can harm Him?

> When He returns, it is difficult to say what will happen. There have
> been times of great Joy. There have been times of great sorrow.

Well, I certainly hope that His return this time brings joy.

> Only when He knows what needs knowing shall he return. We can
> do naught but await, and serve.

How do you serve him?

I hope that my questions do not offend you.

--Phaedra


So, we'll see.

Also, what do we make of this?

NE_I_ | NE_I_
THERF | TIER_
L_ES_ | I_SE_
HN_OR | NO_R_
_FISH | _LESH

Row 1: I don't remember what the missing symbols were in the first row, so I don't know if they've changed.

Row 2: H->I F->_

Row 3: L->I E->S S->E

Row 4: H->N N->O O->R R->_

Row 5: F->L I->E

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 		I sent an email last night to vsFaery. It appears we have a new character.

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I wrote: Heh, so we follow the path and we get red herrings.

My email was apparently forwarded to a vs Roth.

vsFaery wrote:

To: vsrothatgmail.com

Being as this is your creation, I will let you handle this request.

..vs_faery..

The reply I got came from vsRoth:

Good Day!

If your vision is clouded by lies, you must ignore that which you know
to be false. Whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the
Truth.

~ROTH~


Edited to add: If we ignore what is false(red herring) all that is left in paradiso are the arrows. hmm.....no idea what to do with them yet.
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enaxor wrote:
I sent an email last night to vsFaery. It appears we have a new character.

Quote:


I wrote: Heh, so we follow the path and we get red herrings.

My email was apparently forwarded to a vs Roth.

vsFaery wrote:

To: vsrothatgmail.com

Being as this is your creation, I will let you handle this request.

..vs_faery..

The reply I got came from vsRoth:

Good Day!

If your vision is clouded by lies, you must ignore that which you know
to be false. Whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the
Truth.

~ROTH~


LOL, at which point we learn that the whole thing was a just a promotion for Philip Roth's latest novel. [/silliness]

Okay, Roth.

Well, in German it means "red," which I suppose goes with the webpage.

It's a fairly common surname.
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 		Re: re: js link
Ashurbanipal wrote:
I'm pretty sure he's referring...


But are you The Ashurbanipal? Wink
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Phaedra wrote:
Okay, Roth.

Well, in German it means "red," which I suppose goes with the webpage.

It's a fairly common surname.


As a given name Roth means red-haired(red herring). Laughing So the PM's have a sense of humor. Still don't know what we are looking for though.
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 		Actually I was talking about the js.cgi It looks like a pop up blocker or something weird, it's only showing up on one of my computers for some reason, and not the rest of them, pay no heed though, it was on both web pages and definetly out of game. I think it was put there by my firewall service that I just started using.
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OmegaX wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/4nswc = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamerism_%28color%29

Anything? I dunno. Maybe....

EDIT: tinyurl.com/intruly doesn't exist, for those wondering.

Definitly something. intruly anagrams to tinyurl
How metamerism connects to this puzzle, I don't know..

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intruly anagrams to tinyurl


Ahhhh.... Y'know, I didn't even think of anagrams, I just folowed the suggestion from before that "this looks like a tinyurl entry" (or whatever was the exact phrasing).
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Kender wrote:


How metamerism connects to this puzzle, I don't know..


I was thinking that the metamerism was a pointer to play with the gif that apparently had no writing on it with photoshop, to give us the primmummobile.

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You know how I said images/ffffff.gif had no word in it? I lied... messed around in photoshop and got:

Primummobile


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 		Hmm. Got a reply from Faery, which complicates more than it illuminates...

vs_faery wrote:
> > Such curiosity is to be commended!
>
> I am delighted that you find it commendable rather than condemnable.

We are fellow seekers of Knowledge. How could I hold your quest in
contempt, when mine runs in similar vein?

> > What names I go by in this strange, unreal place are but allegory.
> > Should I reveal myself, and spoil the journey for you?
>
> No, please don't. I enjoy journeys, often more than I enjoy arriving
> at the destination.

Then you are doubly blessed!


I'm just blessed all over the place, apparently. Wink

vs_faery wrote:
It is not often that one can find as much satisfaction in the path itself as they would upon reaching the goal. But ask yourself -- do you journey then for the path, and use the goal as merely an excuse to travel it? What value does a goal serve, to be but the end of your enjoyment?


<fights down a sudden bizarre urge to start talking about Lacan>

vs_faery wrote:
He asked himself that, and that is why he continues to wander to this day. When I finally understood, I was able to accept Him completely.


Ergo He has no goal, I wonder?

vs_faery wrote:
> "This strange, unreal place..." -- are you speaking of this world in
> general (are we all in the strange, unreal place) or is this somewhere
> that you occupy, apart from us?

I speak of this uncanny imitator to reality on which I convey these
words. This virtual light that reflects words and pictures, thoughts
and ideas and emotions, from an unliving flat piece of glass into my
own living eyes. That such a device could have such power to convey
these mysteries, and yet remain a cold and uncaring machination! A
windmill that transmutes the breath of the earth into raw power is
still affected by the whims of the Aer. Yet this is not at all
affected by what moves through its veins. Truth and lies, pain or
joy, suffering or redemption flow with equal ease. Such a strange
concept, indeed!


"Own living eyes."

So, I guess it's safe to assume Faery is not an AI from 25-whatever. Smile

vs_faery wrote:
> > My name means less than it should, but contains the entire truth.
>
> Isn't that usually the case with names? Wink

Names are like destinations. They only serve to mark where you were,
not where you're going.

> > The Him you speak of and the Him I serve are two very different
> > concepts entirely.
>
> Ah. Thank you for that clarification.

For some, that distinction has not been so great. They are the ones
who would seek to add confusion to His truth, by misattributing feats
and deeds done by others to Him. Such confusion is counter to His
goals, for the only recognition He requires is of the truth.


Hmm. Safe to assume at this point, I think, that despite being directed to Genesis, we're not dealing with Judeo-Christian cosmology. Or at least not in a pure form.

"For some, that distinction has not been so great." So this is perhaps an existing philosophy/religion? One to which some adherents have brought elements of other religions?

"They are the ones who would seek to add confusion to His truth, by misattributing feats and deeds done by others to Him." This is interesting. How you interpret it, I think, turns on who you assume to be the "others."

vs_faery wrote:
> > I presume you speak of the Creator of your Book of
> > Genesis.
>
> I do.
>
> And yet I assume there is some connection between them, since you
> directed us to Genesis.
>
> Unless you are speaking of a demiurge?

It is difficult to convey, without going into great length, in the
vast differences between our philosophies. You accept that your
Creator has done everything attributed to it's divinity. And yet,
speaking not of faith but of fact, what have you to attribute to your
Creator?


And s/he was doing so well grammatically until now. Twisted Evil

Didn't really bite on the demiurge comment. So, we're probably not dealing with Gnosticism.

vs_faery wrote:
Do not the weak of faith or those without faith cower in their final moments under the uncertainty that their lack of knowledge brings? That all they are might be lost to a universe that shows them no
future save a cold and empty void? Is this uncertainty not the worst
enemy of all creatures endowed with a Soul?


Personally, in my final moment, I'll probably be cowering under the uncertainty of whether I wore underwear I'm okay with the mortician seeing. It may not be the worst enemy of all creatures endowed with a Soul, but it's probably the worst enemy of all creatures endowed with any fashion sense. (Remember, kiddies, no one knows the hour of their death, so think twice before donning the orange and green polka dots.)

More seriously, so Faery's "He" offers knowledge of what happens after death?

vs_faery wrote:
The truth we seek may not be found in faith. It may be found in the acceptance of knowledge, and the illumination of those cold dark uncertainties. I am, because I know I am.


Sort of Cartesian...

Quote:
Who then, are those that do know themselves?

> > While He whom I speak of is not your Creator, His feats and
> > deeds have given reason for worship from many.
>
> Do you worship Him? As opposed to the G-d of Genesis?
>
> You say "your Creator." Is the G-d of Genesis not your creator?

Again, you must forgive me if our beliefs convey different meanings.
I worship Him through my reverence and my respect for His truth.


In other words, "knowledge is worship"? "Study is worship?"

Anyone? My Faerese is a little rusty.

vs_faery wrote:
I do believe in the Primum Mobile, that which inspired such reverence in other faiths such as yours. But unlike those faiths, I accept the Creator not as my Lord but as fact and law. Everything is, for it is according to the Creator's design.


Maybe he's a Spinozan?

vs_faery wrote:
> > Forgive me if I lead you into confusion,
>
> As long as you lead me not into temptation, I can probably handle
> confusion. Smile

I do not serve to convert the unwilling or preach to the uninterested.
I can only share His truth. It is up for each to decide for
themselves to accept it.


Smile, Faery, I was making a joke. Smile

vs_faery wrote:
> > He was one of the first, but He is not alone. His way is to teach and
> > to learn. He has been Wandering for millenia, and is known by many
> > names and many titles.
>
> Do you pray for His safe return, or is there nothing that can harm Him?

His safe return is always foremost in my mind, for many reasons I
cannot share now. While He is above any mortal, I could not hope to
assume that there is yet no danger that might befall Him.


Hmm. Okay, immortal but not invulnerable?

vs_faery wrote:
> > When He returns, it is difficult to say what will happen. There have
> > been times of great Joy. There have been times of great sorrow.
>
> Well, I certainly hope that His return this time brings joy.

Such is always our hope as well. I do not mean to be discouraging,
but such times are infrequent when compared to the latter.


Oh. Sad

And here everything was so sunny and nice, so far.

"Our hope." So not only is He not the only one of his kind, but neither is Faery.

vs_faery wrote:
> > Only when He knows what needs knowing shall he return. We can
> > do naught but await, and serve.
>
> How do you serve him?
>
> I hope that my questions do not offend you.
>
> --Phaedra

I serve through my devotion and respect for His truth. When he chose
to entrust me with his truth, I knew that there was no other path for
me but to follow. At times I sleep or stay hidden, and there are
times I take action and command in His name or at His side.


Hmm. "Sleep or stay hidden." So Faery sounds immortal, or at least old, too.

"Command in His name or at His side."

Zoink. Metatron? Puck?

Dunno

vs_faery wrote:
For one such as I, blessed by His love, there can be no greater fate.

..vs_faery..


I guess we can assume from this, however, that Faery's "He" is not a disinterested Prime Mover, or Tao-like force, but rather has some sort of semi-anthropomorphic personality.

Thoughts?
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They are the ones
who would seek to add confusion to His truth, by misattributing feats
and deeds done by others to Him.


Satan?

Just a thought.

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jazzysixx wrote:
Quote:
They are the ones
who would seek to add confusion to His truth, by misattributing feats
and deeds done by others to Him.


Satan?

Just a thought.


I think we are talking about something more ancient. When Aristotle pictured the universe as having a force(Primum Mobile) that influenced all other thingsit was adopted by the church and defined as God.


Quoted text from: http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/retrograde/aristotle.html

Quote:
The Prime Mover of Aristotle's universe became the God of Christian theology, the outermost sphere of the Prime Mover became identified with the Christian Heaven, and the position of the Earth at the center of it all was understood in terms of the concern that the Christian God had for the affairs of mankind.

Thus, the ideas largely originating with pagan Greek philosophers were baptized into the Catholic church and eventually assumed the power of religious dogma: to challenge this view of the Universe was not merely a scientific issue; it became a theological one as well, and subjected dissenters to the considerable and not always benevolent power of the Church.


He's saying through religion we attribute creation and all things great as being done by God and God is getting credit for someone elses work.
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jazzysixx wrote:


Satan?

Just a thought.


Honestly, jazzy, that was my thinking... after reading all of this, it appears that we may be dealing with Judeo-Christian belief systems, but not in the way we would traditionally associate... Perhaps we are seeing this through the eyes of a true believer of some Satanic side... This would explain why things are not always rosy in the world of senior faery, but that this "entity" which he worships is immortal, but not immune, has been around since the Genesis times, is referencing strongly to Dante, etc... It would appear we're dealing with an amalgam of the biblical Satan and an 'apocryphal' version, or at least it's definitely hinting at that "regime"....

EDIT (mostly to enaxor): Just to be clear though, in the timeline of things, the biblical Judeo-Christian system was in place long before Aristotle. In fact, we're dealing with Jesus (a "late stage" addition to the Judeo-Christian belief system) near Aristotle's time... so the "Prime Mover" isn't necessarily precluded from being the God of the Jews or Christians...or vice-versa.
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