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Flidget Jerome
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Phaedra wrote:
7-1=Li or lithium


Are we sure that's a '1'? It looks like a 'j' to me.

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jazzysixx
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I've tried taking the numbers and using them to correspond to the letters in the name of the element the box represents, but, no luck there either. Just gibberish any way I try to decode. Maybe someone else would like to try. I'm short a few brain cells this morning as my 9 month old has decided to get up in the middle of the night again.

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enaxor
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Flidget Jerome wrote:
Phaedra wrote:
7-1=Li or lithium


Are we sure that's a '1'? It looks like a 'j' to me.


Good call. The chart has been updated to read 7-i.
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enaxor wrote:
7-i.


So, what is that, 7 minus an imaginary number?
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7-i

i read it as Li - i

in other words L

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toongoon
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Periods

I was a chemistry minor many years ago but I do have a few ideas but I don't know where to take them yet.

The periodic table has seven "periods" or rows corresponding to the outer electron shell of the element. I intially thought that the numbers have something to do with the electrons of each element. What I can't grok is the numbers eight and nine then.

I believe rutherfordium and californium are so unstable that it would be nearly impossible to make a compund with them so I don't immediately see how to "construct" compunds with them.

Glad someone brought up the i it was bothering me too.

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Ehsan
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If each number equals the symbol on the squares then we have:
1 = P
2 = C
3 = B
4 = Sb
..and so on. This might give us a string of characters we need to decode..


What's bothering me is the 7-i and 6+6. If we follow the above theory:

7-i = Li
7 = Li + i
7 = Lii

Then:

6+6 = S
6 = S/2 (which doesn't work)

Or:

6+6 = S
6 = S-6
6 = M

If we follow this, we have a string of characters from 1 to 9..

Alternatively, the digit could be the entire element, and the operation tells you what to do with it:

7 - i = Li - i = L
6+6 = S + S = SS

If we do this, we don't have a specific value for all digits. For example, 7 is Li but the answer we got is L. So it doesn't decode directly to the number sequence.. Which is why I don't like this approach.


And all of this still doesn't apply to "3,7". I have no idea what to do with that since it's only one letter (F), and 3,7 according to the above gives different results such as BL or BLII.

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Ashurbanipal
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could the number represent the number of a character in the element name?

for example, Boron = 3, 3rd charatcter is r
Carbon = 2, 2nd character is a
Flourine = 3,7 so we have o,a

but not sure how the 7 - i or 6+6 bits would fit in

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toongoon
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In a slightly different direction I have been try to order the element abbreviations in order of atomic weight such that you get this

LBCFPSSbTbBkRf

where I assumed 7-i means Li = L

I then used the atomic weight order of the replaced numbers such that the 7th letter from above goes first, the 2 letter is C above etc. again the problem is the 6+6 does this equal 12 or two s's

not much luck that direction either...

Could "chemistry" be a key?

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Well, this isn't going to solve the puzzle, but in unrelated news, I received an email from Faery last night.

Relevant section:

vs_faery wrote:
You ask if He is the Demiurge. At first I was
taken aback that the beliefs of such sects continue to propagate...and
yet, as I contemplate on it, I can see how scholars might have
misconstrued His truth into such philosophies. Outright worship of
Gnosis and Sophia are misguided, but not entirely without merit. What
sensible creature does not hold Wisdom and Knowledge to be of divine
origin and worthy of devotion? But a philosophy where Knowledge and
Wisdom are themselves conscious elements; independent actors yet part
of the Creator? And still they predict that what they name the
Pleroma as if...as if they knew!

As I said, this is quite a complicated and difficult concept to
disect! Where phantasy overlaps truth, and coincidental belief masks
prediction from knowledge...it takes more than just a few observations
to unravel!


So...

S/he's not a Gnostic per se.
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toongoon
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FYI

Title of periodic table page chaged to "how 'bout that?"

just noticed that the numbers also have subscripts now.

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rose
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Dubnium was originally hahnium

The element 105 is labeled Ha for Hahnium which was the original name for Dubnium, it was changed in 1977. So I think all that means is that we are looking at a periodic table created before 1977 when the original name was in effect. The officials changed the name for some reason, maybe they didn't like having an element named Ha.

edit: sorry I just spotted the place in the thread where this was posted before. someone brought up this question in the chat room so I thought it had not be found.

On a separate note, I am assuming that the 9 numbers found here correspond in some way to the 9 balls that are now whizzing around the screen on the main page. Is there any reason that this is an invalid assumption?
So, the letters don't neccessarily have to spell out something here.

Another edit: sorry I am having trouble following this thread - I am just not good at this way of reading information. But, just now, when I noticed the quote from Dante I am sure we are talking about the nine circles of hell. This seems so obvious to me, that I have tried to find where you discussed and dismissed the possibility. Sorry if I missed it.


The Nine Circles of Hell
(quick summary from memory: I just looked at this a year ago in Acheron, remember the word find puzzle? I am really running out the door but I thought this might help someone solve this. By the way I noticed something about Aristotle somewhere in this thread- note that the scheme Dante uses is based on an Aristotlean scheme)

1. Virtuous pagans and unbaptized infants
2. The Lustful
3. The gluttons ( there may be two levels here. I don't remember)
4. The prodigal
5. The angry
6. The sullen
-Dante moves into lower hell
7. At least two levels: violence against others, violence against self
8. The famous MALEBOLGE
9. Traitors (with Lucifer in the center)
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enaxor
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oh oh, the vagabondssojourn website is down. Can anyone else access it?
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There are 3 levels of hell, Incotinence, Violence and Fraud. These three divisions encompass 7 circles of hell. After that there are trimmers and heathens which are not accepted by either side of the gate but are included in Inferno. As well as Heathens which are not counted amongst the seven circles of hell but are more of a side group amongst the Incotinence sub level. Including those three sinners there are actually 24 different types of sins which are divided amongst the hell told by Virgil. Very Happy I'm in the middle of reading it and my copy has a huge and amazing explanation before the first canto. But theres your crash course in it. Oh and by the way, the whole of Inferno took place in one week, either the week of or before easter.
Oh and the page is down for me now too, I wonder whats going on...
Tj-
Edit I just noticed I didn't write down an of the divisions save those three, here they are in order.
Trimmers
Heathens
Incontinence*First level*
Carnality
Gluttony
Avarice
Anger
Heratics*not included in either Incontinence or Violence*
Violence or Brutishness*Second level*
Violent *Against nieghbor, god, self*
Fraud or Malice *Third level*"
Simple
Treacherous- Lucifer is found here
Those two are divided into 14 sublevels which are shared between Violence as well
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9 circles

There are 9 circles of hell in Dante's inferno, basically the ones I listed.
There are other divisions the gates of hell ( you know "abandon hope all ye who enter" and all that), etc. but I think the circles are the main divisions we need here.

I will look for the official names of the levels for you guys.
Very Happy
better yet, the whole text of the inferno is available here:

http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext97/0ddcl10.txt

this is the translation by Longfellow which I found easier to read

if you don't like this version try Project Gutenberg, they have others to choose from.

and a short version is here:
http://pd.sparknotes.com/poetry/inferno/


PS since the circles are no longer defined as they once wereon the main page, do we think that now the divisions of Hell have been broken down?

PPS I can't access the site either.

[or maybe we are talking about Paradise instead? there are 10 heavens in Paradise. both the number 9 and the circles you described as on the page made me first think of pergatory. but the clue was paradiso, so it could be that. at least I am convinced that the numbers on the periodic table related directly with the 9 balls or planets. Very Happy ]
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