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[CHAT]/[UPDATE] Alyssa chat 13-03, new clues

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schapin
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[CHAT]/[UPDATE] Alyssa chat 13-03, new clues

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[20:59] * BelleReve (~appleharb@307e4d48.cc59707.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #dreams
[20:59] <tomtom> Hello, Lyssie!
[20:59] <Kender> hello BelleReve
[20:59] <Kender> good to see you again
[20:59] <BelleReve> hey
[20:59] <Kender> and PLEASE don't cal me Mr. Kender anymore Smile

[21:00] <tomtom> What's new, Lyssie-one?
[21:00] <BelleReve> my mom passed away last night
[21:00] <Kender> aw.. that's sad news Sad

[21:00] <tomtom> Oh my God...I'm sorrt.
[21:00] <tomtom> Sorry.
[21:00] <BelleReve> i....I don't know how much I'll be around for a while
[21:00] <BelleReve> I've been so busy
[21:00] <Kender> I can understand that
[21:00] * tomtom nodnods
[21:00] * Kender offers his condoleances
[21:01] <BelleReve> thanks
[21:01] <BelleReve> it's...it's hard, you know?
[21:01] <Kender> was she ill, or was it unexpected?
[21:01] * tomtom doesn't know what condoleances are, but offers them anyway.
[21:01] <tomtom> I understand.
[21:01] <BelleReve> she was acting sick, but I thought it was just looking for attention
[21:02] <Kender> I'm so sorry
[21:02] <Kender> If teher is anything I or we can do, just let us know okay?
[21:02] <BelleReve> okay
[21:02] <tomtom> We're here for you, Lyss.
[21:03] <Kender> Is there any family you can go to?
[21:03] <BelleReve> I just need a few moments away from that
[21:03] <BelleReve> she was really my only family
[21:03] <BelleReve> and...we weren't on the best of terms lately
[21:04] * schapin hugs BelleReve
[21:04] <schapin> sorry to hear that
[21:04] <BelleReve> I thought she was acting sick, to get my attention, so she could make me feel guilty
[21:04] * Kender offers his shoulder too
[21:04] * BelleReve hugs schapin back
[21:04] * tomtom follows suit.
[21:05] <BelleReve> she lives a few hours away...I'll be doing a lot of driving the next few days
[21:05] <BelleReve> well, a few hours if I get cought in traffic
[21:06] <BelleReve> but its still inconvenient
[21:06] <BelleReve> inconvenient! listen to me...like it matters
[21:06] * Retrieving #dreams modes...
[21:06] * schapin changes topic to 'http://home.earthlink.net/~appleharborweb/ | Rest in peace, dear Mrs Aster'
[21:07] <Kender> You just take it easy for a while BelleReve, and always remember that we are here if you need someone to talk to.
[21:07] <BelleReve> i just don't know what to do
[21:08] <BelleReve> how to feel
[21:08] <Kender> try not to feel guilty
[21:08] <tomtom> Trust your heart, Belle.
[21:08] <BelleReve> well, in a way I do
[21:08] <tomtom> Things happen for a reason.
[21:08] <BelleReve> like if I had taken care of her better
[21:08] <Kender> that's not helping either you or your mother
[21:09] * tomtom (~lurker@9b184f5.2b24ce30.ri.cox.net) Quit (Quit: http://unfiction.com/chat/)
[21:09] <BelleReve> but there's also...
[21:10] * tomtom (~lurker@9b184f5.2b24ce30.ri.cox.net) has joined #dreams
[21:10] <Kender> try to give her a nice funeral, sort out what needs sorting out. you'll make your mother proud, I know..
[21:12] <schapin> also what?
[21:13] * Stella (~appleharb@296d6466.2430b3da.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #dreams
[21:13] * BelleReve (~appleharb@307e4d48.cc59707.dynamic.covad.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
[21:13] * Stella is now known as BelleReve
[21:13] <BelleReve> sorry about that
[21:13] <tomtom> Welcome back.
[21:13] <schapin> but there's also what?
[21:14] <BelleReve> maybe the guilt can end
[21:14] <schapin> hmm
[21:15] <schapin> how?
[21:15] <BelleReve> she won't be there to throw my life in my face
[21:16] <BelleReve> to make me feel .... wrong
[21:16] <schapin> true
[21:16] <BelleReve> I feel bad for not helping her, true
[21:16] <BelleReve> but I won't forgive the way she made me feel
[21:17] <BelleReve> is that wrong?
[21:18] <schapin> just let it sink in and focus on other things for nwo
[21:18] <schapin> now*
[21:18] <schapin> the funeral for example
[21:18] <schapin> don't worry too much on if you will or will not forgive her
[21:19] <BelleReve> yeah...the details
[21:19] <BelleReve> there is so much to deal with
[21:19] <schapin> right now everything is still so fresh.. sometimes it's easier to be a step further and being able to look back
[21:19] <BelleReve> but I went through a lot of this .. with vic...
[21:19] <schapin> yes..
[21:19] <Kender> it's never easy
[21:19] <schapin> but you're strong, stronger than you think
[21:20] <BelleReve> it's easy to be strong, when you're numb
[21:21] <BelleReve> I know it'll hit me worse later
[21:22] <BelleReve> oh
[21:23] <BelleReve> I have something for you
[21:23] <Kender> what is it?
[21:24] <BelleReve> you asked me for some scans
[21:24] <tomtom> Oh, yes!
[21:24] <tomtom> The article!
[21:24] <BelleReve> I couldn't sleep
[21:24] <BelleReve> how can I give it to you?
[21:24] <tomtom> Er...
[21:24] <schapin> e-mail them
[21:25] <tomtom> You can email it.
[21:25] <schapin> if you can't put them online
[21:25] <BelleReve> oh, I can do that!
[21:25] <tomtom> Do what?
[21:27] <BelleReve> http://home.earthlink.net/~appleharborweb/scans/
[21:28] <Kender> ouch, the newspaperpeople made a typo on the frontpage of the gazette.
[21:28] <tomtom> Is half of the article cut off?
[21:28] <BelleReve> the editors are horrible
[21:28] <schapin> gm
[21:28] <schapin> hm
[21:28] <schapin> Shorline?
[21:28] <tomtom> Isn't grizly?
[21:29] * schapin grins
[21:29] <BelleReve> actually, I think it is Grisly
[21:29] <schapin> someone's gonna get fired!
[21:29] <BelleReve> I thought about that one too
[21:29] <BelleReve> but there is no excuse for Shorline =p
[21:29] <schapin> what's the charm?
[21:29] <tomtom> Charm that was found on the body, wasn't it?
[21:29] <BelleReve> oh
[21:29] <BelleReve> no
[21:29] <BelleReve> I went out there
[21:30] <BelleReve> I found that in the grass, thought it was a beer tab
[21:30] <BelleReve> I don't know if it's important
[21:30] <BelleReve> and I found a piece of paper
[21:30] <BelleReve> in the garbage
[21:30] <schapin> yes.. that looks interesting
[21:31] <tomtom> Yeah..
[21:31] <schapin> three triangles
[21:31] <tomtom> So I see...
[21:32] <tomtom> interlaced in the middle.
[21:32] <BelleReve> I hope that helps
[21:32] * tomtom feels special for making an observation.
[21:32] <BelleReve> I don't know what else I can do
[21:32] <Kender> we'll do our thing with what you found. Thank you very much for the scans!
[21:32] <schapin> thanks BelleReve
[21:32] <Kender> you just take it easy
[21:32] <tomtom> Thank you, Belle!
[21:32] <BelleReve> I'm going to take a walk...while things are still quiet
[21:32] <BelleReve> I know the phone is going to start ringing again
[21:32] <tomtom> Remember, we're here for you.
[21:32] <BelleReve> I hate talking to people
[21:32] <BelleReve> about his over the phone
[21:32] <BelleReve> I know...thanks!
[21:33] <schapin> take care Smile

[21:33] <BelleReve> take care all...and call your moms, tell them you love them
[21:33] * tomtom calls mom from in the other room.
[21:33] <BelleReve> even if they can be pains
[21:33] <tomtom> Wink

[21:33] <Kender> take care BelleReve!
[21:33] <BelleReve> ...or especially if they're pains
[21:33] <BelleReve> I will
[21:34] * BelleReve (~appleharb@296d6466.2430b3da.dynamic.covad.net) Quit (Quit: )

Color Legend:
BelleReve, bold

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:41 pm
Last edited by schapin on Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:54 pm; edited 1 time in total

schapin
Boot

Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Posts: 28

Okay, so from the link she gave us:

http://home.earthlink.net/~appleharborweb/scans/

there are a few scans:
- a news paper article about the vagrant's death
- a picture of a charm Alyssa found in her garden
- a picture of a piece of paper Alyssa found in the garbage
- a letter for the News letter Alyssa got from Jake McCullen (and Odie)

Piece of paper from garden:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

The letters are runes, and translate to
'thri-nein
eit shal bi don
wi haw suksidid
hi eis weith us now'

or, translated:

'03/09 (nineth of March)
it shall be done
we have succeeded
he is with us now'

The second line, 'it shall be done', has been crossed out

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:46 pm

tomtom224
Boot

Joined: 15 Feb 2005
Posts: 57

As well as finding out what the paper meant, we found what the three-triangled charm was:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

We found that the charm was called a Tria Prima Knot Pendant, from http://www.crucible.org/Jewelry.htm
The site claims it represents the Three Eternal Principles (Sulfur, Mercury, and Salt), and InSoMnIaC also claims that it is soul, body, and spirit.

Sounds Vagrant-ish to me.

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:52 pm

Kender
Decorated

Joined: 09 Aug 2004
Posts: 264
Location: The Netherlands

Actually, the charm is this one: http://www.markdefrates.com/pages/valknut1.html

Quote:

It is said that this symbol of Norse Magick, the Valknut (also known as Odin's knot) is a contract between Odin and his acolytes, a binding spell. The symbol also refers to the Three Norns, the weavers of fate. Odin achieved the secret of changing fate through knowledge of the runes with the sacrifice of one of his eyes and by hanging himself from the World Tree, under which (not coincidentally) reside The Three Fates. Odin (Othin, the All Father) was one of the most popular of the Norse Warrior gods and remains important in the modern version of Norse magick, Asatru.

This fits in nicely with the runes on the piece of paper from the garbage, the hung man and the removal of his eye.

Maybe we're dealing with an Asatru cult?

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:14 am

Midnight
Boot

Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 44
Location: Leuven, Belgium

Odin

Edit: Added some more speculations to this reply.

Odin! I think you're on to something, Kender.

-Didn't the old man get murdered on a wednesday? Wednesday is the day of Odin.
http://www.indepthinfo.com/weekdays/wednesday.shtml

-Alyssa said that the old man was preaching about the end of the world. That makes sense now, since the end of the world (Ragnarok) plays an important role in Norse mythology.

-Odin hung himself on the tree to gain knowledge. In this light, it is possible that ritual the "vagrants" performed, was done to gain knowledge. If so, perhaps they left so suddenly because they had learned something important?

-No one knew how the Vagrants arrived and left. Since they seem to be Scandinavian (they had a foreign accent and they worship Odin), the image of a boat does spring to mind. That would explain why no-one saw them leave. Perhaps they had a boat, hidden out of sight of the townspeople?

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:59 pm
Last edited by Midnight on Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:14 am; edited 2 times in total

silverthistle
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Joined: 11 Nov 2004
Posts: 106

The Norse armageddeon is called Ragnarok.

http://www.winterscapes.com/uppsala/odin.htm

Quote:

He hung himself on the tree for nine days and nights, wounded by his own spear. The Havamal relates this tale as "I know I hung on that windswept tree, / Swung there for nine long nights, / Wounded by my own blade, / Bloodied for Odin, / Myself an offering to myself: / Bound to the tree / That no man knows / Whither the roots of it run. / None gave me bread, / None gave me drink. / Down to the deepest depths I peered / Until I spied the runes. / With a roaring cry I seized them up, / Then dizzy and fainting I fell. / Well being I won / And wisdom too. / I grew and took joy in my growth: / From a word to a word / I was led to a word, / From a deed to another deed." In this way Odin won the runes, and the knowledge that brought into the worlds of gods and men both. In this way he brought galdr into existence. In this way he gained a symbolic understanding of all things. And it may be that he had to die for other reasons as well. After all, what's the use of a living god of the dead?

Essay on the Valknut

http://www.aetaustralia.org/helsgates.htm

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