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Caterpillar
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grumpyboy wrote:

That's it for now...

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 1:49 am

Myssfitz
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Way to go guys Very Happy

I would have liked to have at least tried to help. I know, not me. Very Happy

I would have just thrown you guys off track. Thanks for making it way too easy. But with my track record, I needed that. Laughing

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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:23 am

tartanwolf
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excellent job

I was following along from the shadows and I am still reeling from it all!
Excellent job everybody. I am humbled after this experience!

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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:48 am

dashcat
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Nobody can keep up with gb Laughing

Myssfitz you should have come and played...or watched Smile

When the inspiration hits the fan the best I can do is keep up. Usually I just wait for the dust to clear and then go back to see how everyone got to where they got. It is great fun to watch though.

I am so glad to see Myss Moo again. Smile

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:23 am

konamouse
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Mysteries

Sure enough, I leave the chat room and you guys just ROCK!

Just in case anyone was wondering what was down the manhole of StB5:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3193/index.html
The Eleusinian Mysteries

http://www.2think.org/religionmagic.shtml
Book review of Keith Thomas � Religion and the Decline of Magic

http://www.baubo5.com/hums.html
Mythology***Religion***Philosophy ***and other Humanities***

http://www.disf.org/en/Voci/87.asp
Interdisciplinary Encyclopaedia of Religion and Science

http://www.bruderhof.com/articles/ea/MysteryofReligion.htm
Article on The Mystery of Religion

http://www.well.com/user/davidu/mithras.html
Mithraism � The Cosmic Mysteries of Mithras

http://www.tricksterbook.com/BookDescriptions/Religion.htm
The Trickster and the Paranormal book description

http://www.blackdrago.com/religion.htm
Dragons and Religion

http://www.theotherleft.net/anomaly/archives/000008.html
Anomalous Allegories, alegna's aliterative attempts at art

http://www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/resources/english/etext-project/history/fraser/golden/chapter1.html
The Golden Bough � A study in Magic and Religion (1922)

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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:38 am

grumpyboy
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dashcat wrote:

Nobody can keep up with gb

you guys give me WAY too much credit Embarassed

. it was truely a team effort tonight. hope i didnt miss anyone in my summary post above...

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:49 am

Myssfitz
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Re: Mysteries

konamouse wrote:

Sure enough, I leave the chat room and you guys just ROCK!

Just in case anyone was wondering what was down the manhole of StB5:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3193/index.html
The Eleusinian Mysteries
http://www.2think.org/religionmagic.shtml
Book review of Keith Thomas � Religion and the Decline of Magic
http://www.baubo5.com/hums.html
Mythology***Religion***Philosophy ***and other Humanities***
http://www.disf.org/en/Voci/87.asp
Interdisciplinary Encyclopaedia of Religion and Science
http://www.bruderhof.com/articles/ea/MysteryofReligion.htm
Article on The Mystery of Religion
http://www.well.com/user/davidu/mithras.html
Mithraism � The Cosmic Mysteries of Mithras
http://www.tricksterbook.com/BookDescriptions/Religion.htm
The Trickster and the Paranormal book description
http://www.blackdrago.com/religion.htm
Dragons and Religion
http://www.theotherleft.net/anomaly/archives/000008.html
Anomalous Allegories, alegna's aliterative attempts at art
http://www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/resources/english/etext-project/history/fraser/golden/chapter1.html
The Golden Bough � A study in Magic and Religion (1922)

Um, manhole? What manhole. Oh yeah, thanxs Kona Wink

(shortened your post a little so mine didn't seem sooooo long. Hope you don't mind).

And the last one, The Golden Bough... I remember reading about that from the Apollo and Cumaean Sibyl page. That is what she used, the Golden Bough from the tree. Now which tree, I don't remember. So somehow, everything comes together.
Grumpy, how does everything come together? Help please Very Happy

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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 4:20 am

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Re: Mysteries

Myssfitz wrote:

Grumpy, how does everything come together? Help please Very Happy

you mean the connection between the different StB paths so far? your guess is as good as mine. right now, i don't even see how all the greywethers stuff fit into the ctw story Confused

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 7:33 am

JimmyImpossible
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Gotta say, glad I was in chat for this particular batch of solves! Being relatively new, I am still amazed at how a lot of the puzzles come together, and how it really is a total team effort. Thanks everyone for making me feel welcome and for showing me the ropes!!!

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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 9:37 am

Gupfee
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JimmyImpossible wrote:

And I'd like to add that last night's solve-o-fest is exactly why I think community is so important in ARGs. Sure, many of us could have gone through that trail of puzzles on our own, but for me the real rush was in sharing the info with everyone and watching how we played off of each other's information. It was truly a group effort, as has been said.

And for a newbie, Jimmy, you roXored! Very Happy

It doesn't matter how new you are, as you showed us last night, when you solved the gnomon anagram!

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:19 am

MageSteff
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Info: Mysteries (LONG)

konamouse wrote:

Just in case anyone was wondering what was down the manhole of StB5:...

Thanks Kona'squeek' that saves me a lot of backing and filling trying to locate all the pages.

Mysteries (StB5 tunnel Pages Info)

I have changed some of the original formatting to make this a bit easier to follow, the words in bold and/or in color are my emphasis�

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3193/intro.htm

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�. In the beginning, there were two primary forces hard at work in the universe. While they both shared a common goal, self discovery, they were to come together with one common desire, but...from two very distinct arenas .
�
� there really wasn't any reason why this process (the inner stuff, anyway) couldn't be accessed right here on home turf. Mythology constantly reveals that the healing process is really pretty much the same from culture to culture�.

� dealing with unresolved memories, sacrifice and purification. Some of the events and techniques derive from � study of initiatory methodology and the consistent formula found from culture to culture as it relates to mythology and healing unresolved grief , ie: anguish, fear and it's relationship to anger, or sorrow and it's relationship to love. �
�
Recurring themes in this Mythology:
The entrance into the Labyrinth or Underworld
The loss of innocence
The Divine Fire
The Divine Marriage
The Divine Child
Death and rebirth
(repeated cycles without end)

Secrets As A Duality
Secrets are interesting . Like an initiation of sorts, they test us in our loyalty to their keeping and in our strength to maintain silence. In healing the divine child, and working out the shadows which conceal our divine essence, there are two kinds of secrets we explore. They are rooted in two base emotions - love or fear! In the ancient mysteries, these are: ARRHETON*(the ineffable) and APORREHETON* (subject to the law of silence) .

(* Keep thse words in the back of the file cabinet, we may or may not come across them later)

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�we know that there will be an experience or break through that may be evident only to us from within, but cannot be verbalized or written in common language. �
The term used for this experience in the ancient mysteries was an "epiphany" and the silence was referred to as Arrheton. This silence is kept, not through fear, but through the immense love we feel when we are met with the Holy Guardian Angel*, or divine essence within. By tearing down the veils which shadow the divine, we are filled more constantly with the light of truth.

(* Which may bring us back to the Stenographia?)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3193/myth.htm

Major Events of the Eleusinian Myth (highlights only)

[quote]
�
Hades makes a deal with Zeus and carries Kore off in his golden chariot
�
Demeter, hearing of her fate, tears the veil from her divine hair, throws a black cloak (the mantle of death) over herself.
Demeter, disguised, avoids the gods, dwells with mortals.
Demeter, inconsolable, by the Virgin's Well (Well of Beautiful Dances )
Daughters and Metaneira invite Demeter to Celeus' Palace to nurse the infant boy Demophoon
Demeter nurses Demophoon on ambrosia and burns him in the fire [but he isn't harmed].
Demeter demands a Temple toinstitute her rites which, when performed, will conciliate her wrath.
Demeter demonstrates the performance of her rites, teaches the Mysteries and gives the gift of grain to Triptolemus.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3193/stations.htm

Stations of the Eleusinian Mysteries (highlights only)

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Initiation Ritual: Dromena [things Done]; Legomena [Things Said]; Deicymena [Things Shown]. Vision of ineffable things [a golden serpent, an egg*, and the phallus and Persephone (Queen of the Dead)].

(*Yes, I will keep bringing up the egg that supposedly was worked on at the Ashram (in real life stories of the Ashram, not CYW mythos, because I think it may come up at some time)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3193/stations2.htm

Stations of Mythic or Spiritual Journeys (general)

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The following "stations" or "events" represent those typically found in any initiatory experience, whether the initiation be brought on by "life's journey", or invoked voluntarily by the initiate, himself in a formal or ceremonial setting. [b]The order may differ from one setting to another.
�
Separation from innocence/paradise/home/comfort zone
Separation from loved ones
Separation from community
Bereftness-inconsolable grief
Entrance into the Underworld-Psychic Unveiling
Fatigue-exhaustion-illness
Loss of possessions-including identity
Abandonment-betrayal
Lost-meaninglessness-futility-no purpose-defeat
Disintegration
Confrontation with one's demons-fears and history
Loss of illusions
�
Burning in the divine fire (that doesn't burn)
Alliance with the Natural World
Alliance with Liminal figures, others, the dead ( & honoring)
�
Telling the story
Celebration and revelry
Alliance with the gods "Imitatio Dei vel Deae"
Re-cognition
Dis-membering
Transformation:
Fertility
Ecstasy
Understanding
Prosperity
Transmission
Vision
Receiving gifts
Unification:
Conjunctio-Divine Marriage
Birth of Divine Child
Return to Community
Re-membering

Just some things to think about, which ones you feel Dale has been through, and which are yet to come�

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3193/stages.htm

I think this page goes into a bit more of what Mythosphere may be about�
Stages of A Mystery Religion (highlights)

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I. Preparation and Probation
Studying and receiving teachings
Vows of Secrecy
Pilgrimages of penitential nature-undergoing hardship to return to the site as an act of devotion
Mastery of some foreign expressions or secret formulae *
Wearing white**
Wearing masks***

II. InitiationInitiation:
Things exhibited, acts done and things said
Passing from death into life
Experiencing a voluntary death, symbolic burial
Enacting one's own death
Gaining the sign of having been initiated

Ascent of the soul:
Sympathia (with the Mystery God) participating in the sorrows and suffering of the God; repetition of the deity's passion:
Divine Services-public services regularly repeating the experience of initiation
...
III. Epopteia of the Mystery-God and Blessedness
The immediate result of Initiation was to behold an Epiphany of the Deity, whether through vision, dreams, trances, ecstasy, or hypnotic conditions.
�
These mysteries-and all the paths of initiation-have a common characteristic, they are preoccupied with the 'flight of the one to the one' that is man's exit from the world in which he as an individual is 'alone' to achieve union of his whole being with the universal being.
�
The Mysteries were so essentially nocturnal � they actually solemnized the feeling of being shut in by the night, culminating in a sudden great radiance. Surely it is no accident that the Mysteria took place at the waning of the moon.

It is a threefold darkness-the darkness of the veiling, that of the sacred nights in Agrae and Eleusis, and their own inner darkness-that the Mystai find their way back to their own suffering and conceiving motherliness.

* Alchemy
** Wondering where the white initiates fit in? This may be part of that key.
*** ST1 said "they all wear masks" (do a search of the ctw interaction, with me as the author, I posted it, and other posted similar quotes from him, Dave, if you are reading this, I liked thinking of CAROL as a she until you gave it a voice! :LOL:)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3193/mysteries.htm

Perhaps why Dale has been spending more time with Wes than Bruce�

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The Way of Transformation
from the Book "The way of Transformation" by Karlfried Graf von Durchheim
The man who, being really on the Way, falls upon hard times in the world and will not as a consequence, turn to that friend who offers him refuge and comfort and encourages his old self to survive. Rather, he will seek out someone who will faithfully and inexorably help him to risk himself, so that he may endure the suffering and pass courageously through it, thus making of it a " raft that leads to the far shore". Only to the extant that man exposes himself over and over again to annihilation, can that which is indestructible arise within him.
�
�practice should teach him to let himself be assaulted, perturbed, moved, insulted, broken and battered- that is to say, it should enable him to dare to let go his futile hankering after harmony, surcease from pain, and a comfortable life in order that he may discover, in doing battle with the forces that oppose him, that which awaits him beyond the world of opposites.
�
Only if we venture repeatedly through zones of annihilation can our contact with Divine Being, which is beyond annihilation, become firm and stable. The more a man learns wholeheartedly to confront the world that threatens him with the isolation, the more are the depths of the Ground of Being revealed and the the possibilities of new life and Becoming opened.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3193/secret.htm
Secrets

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The Nature of the Secret. In the ninth discourse of the Bhagavad-Gita, it is said that the Great Secret of the universe, of life itself, had several characteristics, which marked it as a true secret. First, the secret had to be intuitional, that is, capable of being known by anyone wishing to know it and not dependent upon outside teaching or being revealed by an adept. Second, it had to be righteous, that is, lawful, within the bounds of the cosmos, according to universal principles. And third, it had to be pleasant beyond measure, that is, the secret had to be life-enhancing and exceed the pleasures of earthly existence.
from "The Traveler's Key to Ancient Greece" Richard G. Geldard

http://www.2think.org/religionmagic.shtml

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Religion and the Decline of Magic
�The traditional roots of many of today's religious practises are discussed.
�
The evolution of religion into the "orthodox" practise of today is shown to be far from traditional. The tremendous shift from magical practise to religious devotion often hard to distinguish, and evidently, far from complete.
�
The book uncovers strange stories about the origin of Insurance underwriters due to Quaker efforts to rid England of superstitious reliance on Catholic saints and medals. The Strata of witchcraft and witch associations, including the methodology of divining for both the 'white witch' and astrologer, both whom often had powerful positions of respect in community and government are discussed in interesting detail.
�

http://www.baubo5.com/hums.html
Resources links:
This is a great set of links to informations sources, many of which have already seen mention in these forums.
If you have some time to burn and are interested in doing some surfing on topics of Mythology, Culture, History, Philosophy, Religion, Anthropology, this is a good place to start your search.

http://www.disf.org/en/Voci/87.asp

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MYSTERY
I. Religion as the Proper Field for the Notion of Mystery
The term "mystery" (gr. mysterion, lat. mysterium) can have very different meanings, depending upon the context in which it is used. First and foremost, however, it belongs to the phenomenology of religion, because it is a term used in discourse about "the divine". The word mystery most probably comes from the Greek verb myein (to close, to stop), which links it, in some modern languages, with terms such as "myopic" and "mute". The idea of closure is here expressed, but also that of limit or boundary. Belonging to the same semantic family is the adjective "mystical" (gr. mystik�s), which indicates . The Latin term sacramentum is often used to translate the Greek myst�rion, but this indicates more its ritual, sacral aspect, as well as the juridical responsibility which flows from it. In antiquity, this led to the word sacrament being commonly used to refer to a contract, agreement, or alliance between two parties, vouched for by the divinity itself, and thereby made sacred.
�
"Mystery", therefore, is set at the summit of a delicate tension between hidden-ness and revelation, closure and openness, the desire to expand and the need to restrain oneself. It has a dynamic, almost a trajectory, that leads from silence to communication, from secrecy to knowledge, even if the mode of communication renders the message accessible only to those that approach the "mystery" with the necessary religious disposition.
�
mystery indicates a horizon of divine knowledge and will that we cannot reach by our own efforts. The divinity himself must enable and authorize us, his creatures, to have access to this realm.
�
In its plural form, "mysteries" came to indicate, above all, a collection of practices, in the midst between religion and magic, which were aimed at introducing an initiate, already provided with the requisite instruction, into the sphere of influence and protection of a particular god. � The ritual practices affirmed the cyclical cadence and reiterative capacity of mystery�
�
In terms of the possession and transmission of knowledge, the religious notion of mystery evolved historically toward that of "gnosis", a term that, in more intellectually developed religions, indicated a secret doctrine, hidden and reserved for a few. "Gnosis" was a system of knowledge reserved only to the spiritual or perfect ones (gr. pneumatik�s) , and they came to be guarded in a very exclusive manner.
�
But gnosis involves, in a more general sense, the secret communication of a key for interpreting the world� whose limited transmission was assured by employing specific and difficult language.
�
IV. References to the Notion of Mystery in the Reflections of some Scientists
�
1. Scientific Contexts. A certain appeal to mystery occurs when we speak of the wonder of the scientist in the face of the intelligibility and stability of the laws of nature, whose existence, together with our capacity to successfully de-code them, come to be considered "a kind of mystery" ( LAWS OF NATURE). One of the most noteworthy examples of this is found in a letter from Albert Einstein to Maurice Solovine:

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�You find it surprising that I think of the comprehensibility of the world (insofar as we are entitled to speak of comprehensibility) as a miracle (Wunder) or an eternal mystery (ewiges Geheimnis). But surely, a priori, one should expect the world to be chaotic, not to be grasped by thought in any way. One might (indeed one should) expect that the world evidenced itself as lawful only so far as we grasp it in an orderly fashion. This would be a sort of order like the alphabetical order of words. On the other hand, the kind of order created, for example, by Newton's gravitational theory is of a very different character. Even if the axioms of the theory are posited by man, the success of such a procedure supposes in the objective world a high degree of order, which we are in no way entitled to expect a priori. Therein lies the miracle which becomes more and more evident as our knowledge develops. And here is the weak point of positivists and professional atheists, who feel happy because they think that they have preempted not only the world of the divine (entg�ttert) but also of the miraculous (entwundert)� (A. Einstein, Letter to M. Solovine, 30.3.1952).

This refers to a conviction that the founder of the theory of Relativity had already expressed on other occasions: (Physik und Realit�t, in "Journal of Franklin Institute", 221 (1936), n. 3).
�

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�Science � a contemporary cosmologist asserts � places human beings, with their desire to know, in front of the mystery of being ever more profoundly, the more profoundly it roots itself in the real. The role of science in the process of knowledge is that of making manifest and penetrating the mystery of being. Humans, with all the peculiarities that characterize us, how can we overcome mystery? Evidently not with science (which, on the contrary, places us before the mystery), but rather with philosophical and religious meditation to which science offers a profound terrain for reflection and sustenance. Certainly, mystery lies beyond scientific rationality, but science retains all of its dialectic function in the process of knowledge that, in order to be complete, requires the involvement of the entire human personality� (A. Masani, Origine dell'universo: il mistero della vita, "Kos" 7 (1991), n. 75, p.15).

�
2. Mystery as Openness to Transcendence. But the real mystery is the presence of the human person in the universe. The questions regarding the origin of the cosmos, the comprehensibility of nature or the emergence of life, point, in reality, toward the mystery of human intelligence and conscience ( ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE). The question arises as to why there should be a link between two realities that are so apparently different as cosmic evolution, dominated by inert matter and necessary laws, and human life, capable of ascending to the heights of self-reflection and liberty:

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We, who are children of the universe � animated stardust � can nevertheless reflect on the nature of that same universe, even to the extent of glimpsing the rules on which it runs. How we have become linked into this cosmic dimension is a mystery. Yet the linkage cannot be denied� (Davies, 1992, p. 232).

�.
Let us try to summarize. When scientists reflect on their research activity, they perceive that the world is a mystery. The being and existence of the universe, its coherence, our intelligent life within it � these all are often considered as "mysteries". The experience by which scientists perceive this mystery is, in a certain sense, an experience of amazement, wonder and reverence, but also an experience of revelation. Nature seems to be showing itself, revealing itself: scientists simply bump into it. Finally, what appeals to mystery or the mystical cannot be fully expressed in formal language, defined or circumscribed; rather, it represents a kind of substrate which upholds the world of facts, i.e. the world that we express by a formal and exact language. As in theology, so also in science the concept of mystery cannot be identified with the ideas of ignorance, limit, or closeness. Both in theology and science mystery is open to a disclosure that goes beyond the experience of the limitation. If limitation can be overcome, it is thanks to metaphysical, aesthetical, or mystical knowledge, which transcends the empirical scientific knowledge, but which remains, nonetheless, true human knowledge. The way in which scientists speak of mystery seems to show the character of a disclosure whose questioning begins within the domain of science, but ultimately transcends it and reaches something which is beyond science, not beyond scientists.

V. Mystery, the Sciences, and Magic
� the relationship between magic and the sciences is more complex, especially before the advent of the scientific method. It should not surprise us that some disciplines like mathematics, astronomy, chemistry, crystallography, or medicine have in their historical genesis some link to practices that border on esotericism, magic, or occultism. The relationships between astrology and astronomy (SKY, II) and between alchemy and chemistry would merit another whole discussion. Also worth mentioning is the fact that the discovery of natural phenomena has many times preceded their complete theoretical interpretation, as happened in the case of chemical reactions or magnetism; and this has favored in certain instances extra-scientific practices in the context of scientific experimentation.
�
�sciences and religion must maintain their striving toward the truth, without accepting its counterfeits or conceding that the human person might find in such surrogates his or her definitive fulfillment. Magic, removing the Absolute or deceptively assuming its semblances, has the pretence to subdue "the whole", with complete control and dominance: it takes advantage from the fact that not everything is familiar and understandable, and thus magic assures that only it can explain and control what is mysterious and unknown. Different from magic, science does not start from the idea of understanding or governing the whole, but rather from the humility of induction and analysis. If religion speaks of the whole of reality, it does so because it receives a freely-given revelation, something not open to re-fashioning because it belongs to the Absolute alone. In the sciences, as in religion, mystery is a "form" of transcendence, that is an access to the manifestations of the "divine" in nature and in history. Magic, on the contrary, is nothing other than a form of immanence, expressed by a ritual closed in on itself, that precludes the possibility of making itself a "form" of the true Absolute; magic remains only a form of false absolutes, in the end, a form of itself.

http://www.bruderhof.com/articles/ea/MysteryofReligion.htm
The Mystery of Religion
Eberhard Arnold

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We are more and more repelled by the question we heard so often: "What are we but a mass of flesh and blood, bones and brain? When we die, we are nothing but a heap that will disintegrate." We feel quite definitely that this opinion has no validity whatever. The spark of life in us cannot be thrown out and squandered, it cannot cease to be. The life-energy that pulses in us, and impels us, goes far beyond our physical being. With our thoughts, feelings, and energies we embrace the truth of the whole world. We feel that life is everywhere and that we belong to life everywhere. This spirit in us that embraces everything that is called life and has body--this spirit cannot be killed, and therefore man seeks to fathom this mystery. What is the origin of this life that pulses in me? Where is the source of this all-embracing power that encompasses all the planets and fixed stars as well as all the atoms and every created being, however tiny?

Thus today a new wave of mysterious and evil powers goes through mankind, a new wave of events that does not need to be unveiled and possibly never can be unveiled. There are things in this area that at first seem ridiculous and merely laughable and one just shrugs one's shoulders�But at least we can see, from the fact that such things could be presented here for several evenings, that there is a strong tendency toward the esoteric and mystical.
�
is not unusual for some piece of furniture to wander from one room to another without the touch of a human hand. And in the evenings when the family is sitting outside, they hear some kind of commotion in the house. When they go into the house, they find the furniture completely changed around, and if the new arrangement pleases them, they leave it. One of Meyrink's children, a child of eight, is so much in communication with the spirit-world that under the inspiration of these spirits he is able to draw the most remarkable pictures, quite astonishingly artistic.
�
The mystery of religion is the mystery of the spirit. The mystery of religion is the mystery of the conscience, the secret of the relationship of the individual man to all other men, of the individual man to life itself, to the great creation, to the soul of creation�
�
Here it becomes clear that mysticism to the left--the magical way--is a terribly dangerous thing. Only too often, those who have made these investigations have undergone severe nervous breakdowns and mental derangement. The reason theosophy and anthroposophy are on the wrong track is that they do not belong to God himself but to an in-between world of mystical beings.
� Behind man's thought-life, behind his desires, behind man's spiritual life, exist mysterious spiritual beings that we are not readily able to penetrate.

http://www.well.com/user/davidu/mithras.html
Religion and the science of Astronomy
The Cosmic Mysteries of Mithras

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The Mithraic tauroctony, then, was apparently designed as a symbolic representation of the astronomical situation that obtained during the Age of Taurus. But what religious significance could this have had, so that the tauroctony could have come to form the central icon of a powerful cult? The answer to this question lies in the fact that the phenomenon of the precession of the equinoxes was unknown throughout most of antiquity: it was discovered for the first time around 128 B.C. by the great Greek astronomer Hipparchus. Today we know that the precession is caused by a wobble in the earth's rotation on its axis. However, for Hipparchus-- because he held to the ancient geocentric cosmology in which the earth was believed to be immovable-- what we today know to be a movement of the earth could only be understood as a movement of the entire cosmic sphere. In other words, Hipparchus's discovery amounted to the discovery that the entire universe was moving in a way that no one had ever been aware of before!

http://www.tricksterbook.com/BookDescriptions/Religion.htm
The Trickster and the Paranormal

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The word supernatural is synonymous with paranormal. Dictionaries make this completely clear. But religious scholars and parapsychologists are not comfortable associating with each other. Parapsychologists avoid the word supernatural by the (legitimate) fear that an association with religion would taint them. Religious scholars do not wish to intrude upon science's territory.
Saints and mystics have produced the most extraordinary paranormal phenomena ever reported. Yet both mainline religions and establishment science now largely ignore mysticism and the reality of miracles. This neglect is an important clue to the nature of the phenomena.

http://www.blackdrago.com/religion.htm
The necessity of two sids to the coin�

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Dragons and Religion

The basic principles of Eastern religion can be found in the Yin Yang. Though many Western people claim that the Yin Yang is a "mix of good and evil" - it was not looked upon this way by the Chinese. Yin is the passive, feminine part of the universe, and Yang is the active, masculine part of the universe. Each of them are intertwined, simply because one would not exist without the other...there would not be a "tall" if there wasn't a "short". Taoism is the "yin" form of this, while Confucianism is the "yang" form.

� drago (bold characters my emphasis)

http://www.theotherleft.net/anomaly/archives/000008.html
Some Kind of Magic: A Search for Authenticity

This site give a brief overview of history surrounding paganism and new religions that have developed by breaking away from main stream Catholisism, and the search to invest each with a sense of the authentic, and how secular society was also changing.

http://www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/resources/english/etext-project/history/fraser/golden/chapter1.html
THE GOLDEN BOUGH - A STUDY IN MAGIC AND RELIGION (1922)
By Sir James George Fraser (1854 - 1941)

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The aim of this book is to explain the remarkable rule which regulated the succession to the priesthood of Diana at Aricia. �I thought that the solution could be propounded very briefly, but I soon found that to render it probable or even intelligible it was necessary to discuss certain more general questions, some of which had hardly been broached before. In successive editions the discussion of these and kindred topics has occupied more and more space, the enquiry has branched out in more and more directions, until the two volumes of the original work have expanded into twelve.

Looks as if in order to explain religious mysteries, one needs to have explainations of the explaination, in order to fully understand the complexities. No wonder they want one to follow without question, it would talk a lifetime to explain why.

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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:37 pm

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Re: Mysteries

grumpyboy wrote:

Myssfitz wrote:

Grumpy, how does everything come together? Help please Very Happy

you mean the connection between the different StB paths so far? your guess is as good as mine. right now, i don't even see how all the greywethers stuff fit into the ctw story Confused

I've started a new thread in CTW: General so we can discuss the various implications of all the different "tunnels."

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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:41 pm

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Found: The sacrificial painting

grumpyboy wrote:

to get everyone up to speed...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

clicking on the "enter" button causes a popup asking "Enter the correct amount of sacrifice to make". Those who read the http://mathforum.org/alejandre/magic.square/loshu.html page quickly knew the correct answer was "15". Entering "fifteen" in the popup box (i don't think "15" works) leads us to http://www.greywethers.net/sb5/fifteen.html

Initially there was nothing in the source code of that page, but it was quickly updated with

That's it for now...

Not quite, I found the painting...
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/piero/resurrection.jpg

It is by Piero della Francesca
Resurrection
1463 (220 Kb); Mural in fresco and tempera, 225 x 200 cm; Museo Civico, Sansepolcro

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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:45 am

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I meant that there are no more greywether pages to be found for now...
Rolling Eyes

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:57 am

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grumpyboy wrote:

I meant that there are no more greywether pages to be found for now...
Rolling Eyes

GB hold your leg out so I can pull it some more Wink

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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:00 am

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