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[SPEC] Perplex City Sentinel Key
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I think that this key may be a Perplexian artifact, quite possibly something physical, something we have no access to. However, I would suggest attempting to dig up more info on KSI or Centrifuge, one of which may possibly give us more info if we can get a key.

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spaceXplorer wrote:
Aah well i guess this is where we will have to agree to disagree! Personally I quite like the challenge of seeing through the confusion and spotting the pattern that lies within.

I'm not aware of the Unravelling game you mentioned so i don't know exactly how that worked, however i can think of many instances (both in virtual and real worlds - the example that instantly springs to mind would be Prolog programming) where you can be confused for a long time, and start even to get quite annoyed that you are so confused.....until you have that 'moment of clarity' where everything just slots into place. Thats what i'm looking forward to Smile

Additionally, i don't see any harm in the odd bit of mis-information. Think of this game like a maze; some paths lead you on long journeys only to find a dead-end - but you just might learn a thing or two on the way.

Anyway, i'm waffling so i'll be quiet now


The Unravelling was just a series of really hard puzzles, one after the other. Basically it was a side game from the main game, since the actual game ended and we had not yet finished The Unravelling (though we did, like, the next day).

Prolog programming (or any kind, really) is different because, if you can't tell what's wrong, at least you know something is, because otherwise it would work. So Prolog really is like a puzzle that is laid out in front of you. In THIS case, we're not even sure there's a problem to solve.

There's no harm in misinformation at all. I'm all for misinformation. Take an example: In the game "Chasing the Wish", we were given a website just like we have now. Everything seemed pretty normal except for this one picture that had trees each with a different number of points jutting outward. It was *clear* that the picture was hiding something, it just took a bit for us to figure out what that was (it was a base 6 encryption, and each tree was a different letter, leading us to a hidden page on the website). So there was plenty of misinformation; nothing written on the page helped us to figure out what the picture meant.

So, yeah, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, and I should stop being such a party pooper. Wink

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Has anyone tried viewing the site through a PDA?

a) That way the key would be physical (the pen device).
b) The @import command hide's thing's from previous version's of browser's. Perhap's it acts differently on other browser versions created for a PDA? (so we would need to try more than one type of PDA).
c) On the front page there is a play on word's that I find intriguing.. "Newton's Apple Tart," - The Apple Newton was one of the world's first PDA's.

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songofthephoenix wrote:
Has anyone tried viewing the site through a PDA?


Please note that this question was asked earlier by Kelis in another thread and was even answered. If anyone else has anything to add about viewing with a PDA or something else, please answer it in the original thread.

Thank you.
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rowan72 wrote:
songofthephoenix wrote:
Has anyone tried viewing the site through a PDA?


Please note that this question was asked earlier by Kelis in another thread and was even answered. If anyone else has anything to add about viewing with a PDA or something else, please answer it in the original thread.

Thank you.


http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=134779#134779

yes it has been tried
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Ok, someone on IRC today stated some things. Normally, I wouldn't bother relaying someone's statement when it sounds like this, but the way it was posted makes me wonder if the person has PM information...

The log will reflect it tomorrow, so they'll be a transcript.

This person stated that the sentinel site is only for building up the story, and is where the PMs will post IG information and information relating to perplex city. That there is no puzzle to be found here, and that all the site does is provide story.

Now, this would be just spec, except the person stated he knew Adrian and Company.

This arised out of "Is the site static or not."

When someone speaks with that much authority on a subject, they either know, or think they know, something. This person wasn't posting speculation by their wording, they were posting what they believed to be fact.
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sente photo web page in image

if you look at the hex of the photo insted of trying to steg it there is a whole page of gibberish that forms some html i'm not shure it's relate dbut it has key in it a lot here is a copy of what i got

and i did open and save the same photo in photoshop and compared the hex
all of this gibberish wasn't in my files
possibly it was authored on a mac? or this has something to do with authentication ? i dunno just look at it im going to bed
sente page.htm
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Re: sente photo web page in image

Djrazz wrote:
if you look at the hex of the photo insted of trying to steg it there is a whole page of gibberish that forms some html i'm not shure it's relate dbut it has key in it a lot here is a copy of what i got

and i did open and save the same photo in photoshop and compared the hex
all of this gibberish wasn't in my files
possibly it was authored on a mac? or this has something to do with authentication ? i dunno just look at it im going to bed


We already found this on IRC. I don't know if anyone posted it. I believe AnthraX10 found it. Anyway... its an artifact of using JPEG. Its called an EXIF thumbnail, and it was edited:
On a Macintosh using Photoshop 3, then edited on a Mac using Photoshop CS.

Or...
Edited on Photoshop CS which saves two EXIF thumbprints for backwards compatiblity.

I had great fun looking at the user picture gallery with an EXIF viewer. So far, lhall's pictures showed the originals, as thumbprints.
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Re: sente photo web page in image

Ayanami Rei wrote:
We already found this on IRC. I don't know if anyone posted it. I believe AnthraX10 found it.


Darun had a post here stating what he found in the senteoped-wide-230.jpg.
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Quote:
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yes it has been tried


I actually read that thread before I posted this. A moto v220 is a mobile phone. Completely different from a PDA. A mobile phone has nothing to do with any of the points I made. (Although technology is starting to bring mobile phone and PDA closer together - still completely different). I read the error message and a PDA would have the power to display the page as opposed to a mobile phone. A PDA uses differently technology's. Higher processing power. A pen device. Different Software ie windows CE. etc etc.

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songofthephoenix wrote:
I actually read that thread before I posted this. A moto v220 is a mobile phone. Completely different from a PDA. A mobile phone has nothing to do with any of the points I made. (Although technology is starting to bring mobile phone and PDA closer together - still completely different). I read the error message and a PDA would have the power to display the page as opposed to a mobile phone. A PDA uses differently technology's. Higher processing power. A pen device. Different Software ie windows CE. etc etc.


Since you read that original thread, then you know that Kelis asked this (emphasis mine):

Kelis wrote:
Has anyone attempted to access this site via some sort of hand held? Pocket PC, Palm, Cell phone w/ wireless web? Not having access to this technology at this time, I can't try it myself.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Pocket PC/Palm = PDA. Just because only one person had responded to Kelis' first post documenting something other than a PDA doesn't mean you should post the same question a different thread - and especially not within hours. Give people a chance to read and reply. Do not go spamming the forums with the same questions because you might have to start ducking a lot of fish.
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Yes, but this is more directed at the key being a pen device which would go with the theories about it being a physical device. As opposed to what the other thread is about. I was afraid if I posted it in the other thread and the key did actually turn out to be a physical thing such as a pen device (which is what I was speculating).. then the threads would have intertwined.

Anyways, in the word's of a naked Elvis.. a little less talk about the whereabouts of threads and a little more action..

Was a PDA tried?

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re:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=134791#134791


if you look at the link in the page http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd


<!ENTITY % plistObject "(array | data | date | dict | real | integer | string | true | false )" >
<!ELEMENT plist %plistObject;>
<!ATTLIST plist version CDATA "1.0" >

<!-- Collections -->
<!ELEMENT array (%plistObject;)*>
<!ELEMENT dict (key, %plistObject;)*>
<!ELEMENT key (#PCDATA)>

<!--- Primitive types -->
<!ELEMENT string (#PCDATA)>
<!ELEMENT data (#PCDATA)> <!-- Contents interpreted as Base-64 encoded -->
<!ELEMENT date (#PCDATA)> <!-- Contents should conform to a subset of ISO 8601 (in particular, YYYY '-' MM '-' DD 'T' HH ':' MM ':' SS 'Z'. Smaller units may be omitted with a loss of precision) -->

<!-- Numerical primitives -->
<!ELEMENT true EMPTY> <!-- Boolean constant true -->
<!ELEMENT false EMPTY> <!-- Boolean constant false -->
<!ELEMENT real (#PCDATA)> <!-- Contents should represent a floating point number matching ("+" | "-")? d+ ("."d*)? ("E" ("+" | "-") d+)? where d is a digit 0-9. -->
<!ELEMENT integer (#PCDATA)> <!-- Contents should represent a (possibly signed) integer number in base 10 -->



this looks like something that could be used to decode the postcard number

but i hate math any suggestions
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no that's just standard DTD definitions... a description of different data types used in the XML linked in the post. ie, it's essentially just web programming, the definition of the XML structure
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thebruce wrote:
no that's just standard DTD definitions... a description of different data types used in the XML linked in the post. ie, it's essentially just web programming, the definition of the XML structure

what better way to hide something than in plain sight Cool
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