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 		Emails Iris and Phyllis Was it Really Dale?long
I felt I needed to share the info with Phyllis about JD. I didnt want her to hear it thru gossip so last night I emailed her and then Iris so that Iris would be with her to help her. Here is a series of emails that I recieved from Iris last night and this morning


when I first alerted Iris to watch over Phyllis

Dear Sunny,

What do you mean? What has happened? I am downstairs and she is asleep, the house is quiet and the doors are locked. What have you heard?

Iris

I sent her back a short message sayin that someone saw JDs death and I had to tell Phyllis.
She sent me this letter this am

Dear Sunny,

I am not sure that telling her now is the wisest of things. Phyllis is
already so upset and depressed and I fear that the news you have sent her will send her over the edge. Please do not take offense when I tell you that I am considering removing your email from her inbox, if we can manage to get onto her computer. That way, we can prepare her and break whatever it is to her more gently than words on a computer screen ever could.

Iris

I then sent her this email
Dear Iris.

well if you are going to do that, which i had a feeling that you would...how did I know this?... anyway Barb sent her another message so you better check that one out too. Be careful tho if you are going ot hold back from her because she is going to hear about it one way or another. I have Phyllis best interest at heart and I can see that you mean well that is why I spoke to you in the first place...Well see what you can do but you know it wont be a secrete for long. Please let me know what is happening as you can. I know that you are holding back information for reasons of security.
I have a feeling that there will be others out there that will want to give
this information to Phyllis so keep an alert eye out. I just didnt know what
to do. I am really stressed over the whole thing. I feel a great loyalty to
Phyllis and want to be honest with her but have never been in this position before. I made a promise to her.....
Well there it is. I await your council and hope that you understand what is motivating me.
You are starting to sound like Dale and Wes! lelelelele.
yours truly
Grace and Peace
Sunny




her reply
Dear Sunny,

First of all, please do not stress. In the end, whatever happens will be what was meant to happen. Second, you are right, the information will get to her eventually; no matter how hard I try to keep it from her. My intention is to save her the shock of hearing about it from the internet. I think it would be easier if she were eased into the knowledge rather than having it thrust at her. Also, how accurate is this information? Who exactly saw Mr. Willingham's murder and if they saw the murder, why has this person not gone straight to the police? Someone told me that Don Marzano was involved in Mr. Willingham's death, that some scar faced man touched Mr. Willingham and caused him to pass on painfully. While I, of anyone, will believe this sort of story, exactly who was your witness and can you be sure this person is telling you the truth? If you are not 100% certain of this, it seems cruel to inflict the story on Phyllis in her time of grief.

Iris
Quoting Prettycolors62SPLATaol.com:

My reply

Dear Iris

Well this is a sticky wicket eh wot? I guess it will be ok to tell you who it was because he said we could share this information last nite. But I expressley request that you do not share this with the police at this time. I know that you have a good sense of timing so I know that you understand why I say this. Several of us last night were contacted by Dale and he is the eyewitness to this ordeal. I trust him implicitly.
Tracie Schimidt is nowhere to be found I hope that she is still alive she was involved in all of this. If you can find her you will have your confirmation as a second eyewitness... watch out for Don Marzano it is important that he not know you know as you probably already figured out. I hope that I have not said too much but this is all snowballing and you are the closest to Phyllis and I continue to believe that you have her best interests at heart. I hope that my confidence in you will be gratified.
Above all Phyllis must be protected.
In earnest
Sunny

her answer

Dear Sunny,

Phyllis has come downstairs and we have gone through all of the emails
together. She is, to say the least, shocked and a little surprised that
people believe such a fantastical story without even any proof that the person you are talking to was Mr. Sprague.

Please Sunny that is also my question to you: How do you know for sure that it was Dale you were talking to? Couldn't it have been the person who 'murdered' Mr. Willingham? Or maybe it was someone seeking to throw us off of whatever truths we are getting close to?

She will probably email you later, but for now has asked me speak with you.

Iris
Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
"insert the sound of screeching tires"

here is my answer

Dear Iris

I am going over what you said and if it is not Dale then it is someone that has taken over his persona. An associate of mine, Heather, thought that maybe he was changed in a fundamental way when the man with the circular scars touched him maybe changed his essence, dont laugh, possessed in some way?You have given me great pause. This chat with Dale last night was set up the day before. He emailed several people to talk to and he gave us this story about Jd, Sal and the Don.. He answered our questions but there was very little that was helpful. Who would have access to his email and personal passwords? There is Sam and Wes..
They would have to have direct access to his mails. Sam is the one that told us that Dale was back and in a safe place and not to tell. The only way that anyone could impersonate Dale would have been to torture the passwords out of him...he has had the same IM name for the past 5 mos no one could have it but for him and the same goes for his email addy. Sam is a suspect, but doubtful, cause he is the webmaster of aglaura and can access peoples emails. I suspect he did that to Phyllis once before cause a personal email between her and I was posted publically on the main town site.
I can only hazard a guess as to how Wes could have done anything with Dales email but he has been the one to do the most tap dancing around the issues. Then there is Bruce. Ah good ole Bruce. It has been hard for me to trust him from day one...he wouldnt have the knowledge to be able to hack into Dales computer but he could be fed the information by someone else.
IF and that is a big if, it wasnt Dale then the person that did this has an intimate knowledge of things that have happened things that Dale knows.
We do have good reason to believe that Marzano is a seat of power but he is aprehensive of Dales (what we percieve as) newfound power.
Dale said he chose a side last night.. I wonder which one?
Sunny
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 		Dear Pam,

Thank you for keeping me advised of everything that is happening.
Sometimes I feel as if I exist in a void and am flailing around; trying to
determine exactly what is happening and how to respond. Phyllis has yet to arise this morning and I am concerned. Someone emailed me to tell me that Phyllis would be getting a very disturbing email this morning. Part of me is considering getting Chris to log onto her computer and read it before she can, in case it is something she does not need to see at this point. I know people out there are trying to help, but sometimes people need some time and distance to heal and if something will just upset her, I am not sure if that is a wise thing to send her at the moment, even if it is true. She already is depressed and upset. Do you understand what I mean, Pam? Maybe if I can delete it, or send it to my computer, the boys and I can at the very least break it to her more gently. I will have to think on this for a while. We are going to distract her as long as we can to try and get more time to consider our options.

Iris

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Iris wrote:
First of all, please do not stress. In the end, whatever happens will be what was meant to happen...


Perhaps a suttle indication that the PM's will not let the characters know any information that they should not.

The rest of the communication could have been a way of saying, "Drop it". But then again...Iris has been keeping some info back from us. Maybe she knows something about Dale we don't.

Kudos to Sunny and Pam for digging deeper.

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 		Email Phyllis her answer to my email
[quote="Elijah Snow"]
Iris wrote:
First of all, please do not stress. In
Kudos to Sunny and Pam for digging deeper.
ES


Thank you for your kind words Elijah it is a very fine line to decide what to disclose and what to hide. I was nail biting it!!!!



Dear Sunny and Barb,
I am sending the same response to both of you because I simply can't think of a way to say this differently. The fantastical tale told by a madman that you presented to us this morning is unacceptable. I know I have experienced some truly strange phenomena but, a scarred creature on the Trails committing psychic murders? A younger-looking Don Mazano? Dale being whisked to some nether place where a younger Sarah heals him? Perhaps, I have reached some plateau where my mind and emotions are frozen by TMI and I simply can't absorb any more outrageous nonsense.

I intend to talk to Dale, face-to-face today. I need to have him tell me this story while he is looking me in the eye. I want to ask him: Were you drugged? Were you hypnotized and brainwashed? How can you be sure your memories are grounded on factual reality and not a fevered interpretation? I really can't bear the idea of Douglas dying in such terror and agony; I can't accept it.

The implications of all of this are swirling around my poor brain and I seem to almost catch a glimpse of something in the corner of my eye, some understanding of what it all means, but it swirls away when I try to look at it directly.

Thank God Iris is here with me! Without a witness, I would surely believe I have lost my mind entirely. And even though you have brought extremely painful ideas into my mind this morning, I do thank God for all of you, too! It is better to know painful truths than to stumble in ignorant darkness. I rely on all of you to keep me informed as much as you rely on me. I see events from my narrow perspective while you are, hopefully, piecing together the bigger
picture.

With love,
Phyllis
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 		Dear Sunny,

Phyllis and I have spent quite a bit of time discussing this whole thing back and forth and for now I will accept your belief that it was Dale you were communicating with. However, I am still not convinced that Dale was not or is not being influenced somehow. Wes told me that when he returned, Dale was without any memory of what had happened to him. He said that Dale was confused and was unaware of what had occurred while he was missing. Now, suddenly, he remembers everything with vivid detail and we are supposed to nod and go along with it. I don't know. Perhaps it is the skeptic in me, but something just does not add up. The fact that he saw a woman who he could not understand chanting over him makes me wonder if he was not under some sort of hypnosis or other mental influence. What do you think? Can you be sure that
he is not compromised somehow?

Iris

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ok guys if Dale was under hynosis then that would mean that Dr K is involved somehow. They say that once you are hypnotised that it is easy to get you to be hypnotised again....
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 		Dear Pam,

I am not sure exactly how Phyllis is doing. She has sort of shut down
emotionally and is very distant today. I think this, when added with
everything else, has just been too much for her to process and she has
gone into an emotional holding pattern. I think she wants to ascertain
whether this information is real before she reacts to it. How would you feel if people were telling you that some metaphysical being had murdered your husband and that he suffered?

Don't get me wrong, I know that it was correct to tell her, I just
would have hoped that people would have found a more circumspect way to broach the subject rather than blurt the whole terrible thing out through email.

Iris

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 		Iris Email Dr K and Remonstrations
Dear Sunny,

Please do not think that I am telling you that Dale was compromised or
hypnotized. I am far from an expert and I have yet to speak to Mr. Sprague myself. All I can tell you is that this is all very hard to accept coming from someone like him. Heck, I would have trouble believing it at face value no matter who was telling the story. It is not that I doubt that it is possible; it is just that I would rather be cautious in believing something like this. I think that it is better to hang back and survey the information that is coming in before jumping after something that will later turn out to be false, especially when it is something so delicate in nature. I mean, do you want to be the one who has to tell Phyllis, "Gee, I am sorry; it turns out that was just a drug-induced dream that Dale was having after all..."? It is easier for all of you. You are all distanced by the wall of email and the internet. I, on the other hand, have to see Phyllis's face, her body deflating and the tears in her eyes. You will never understand just how her voice cracked, how her words wavered as she spoke to me about what was going on and what Dale is reporting. I cannot blame any of you for being angry at me for trying to protect Phyllis, but you are not here and you will just have to trust that what I do, I do with clear heart and positive intentions.

As for Doctor Kendra, have any of you contacted her? She has always taken a long time to get back to me and perhaps one of you has a better relationship with her to ask such leading questions? I am afraid that if I wrote and asked her if her hypnosis could be affecting Mr. Sprague, Dr. Kendra will feel
accused.

Iris

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Dear Iris

I am looking at your recent email and I have also seen the email that you sent to Pam, both of them. I want you to be very clear on this matter and make no mistake!!!
I have been friends with Phyllis for 5 months and we have created a wonderful friendship. I have to say most proudly that she has called me her best friend, not only that, but her first best friend. I do not take friendship lightly and I do not take the information that I sent Phyllis lightly. You do not know how I turned this over in my mind and how it would affect Phyllis. You do not know how I grieved for her loss and you do not know how I continue to hurt for her. I looked at the angles. I stand by what I said. You are mistaken I did not blurt out any thing. I prepared her and I also provided someone to be by her side! And was I to trust you to share this information? I hadnt known you long. Phyllis is the one that I know. It is only logical that I tell her and not go around her. How circumspect could I be through email anyway? I made a promise to her that I would keep her in the loop. Yes this is painful and yes I will gladly be the first person to say that I was wrong, but at this point I stand by my decision. And now you are going to look closer at Dale. If it was not him then you can tell him what is up. I know what grief is so dont try to say I was ignorant of Phyllis plight.
I am trying to arrange for Dr Kendra to be questioned. Lets not harbor these remonstrations, we have work to do.

Grace and Peace
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 		I actually think it is way out of line for Iris to have even thought about going through Phyllis's email. Now, How do we know she hasn't?

Remember Dale said there are more than two sides. There are many whose goal is the same, but motives and ways are different.

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Elijah Snow wrote:

The rest of the communication could have been a way of saying, "Drop it". But then again...Iris has been keeping some info back from us. Maybe she knows something about Dale we don't. ES


Here are the two I received from Iris today. Question is it just me or does anyone else detect a subtlechange in Iris's personality? Must be the lack of sleep...

This is what I sent in response to the Spiral background resopnse (see other interaction topic) and her request that I not share any information with Bruce...

Dear Iris,
I really don't know how to answer your request. On the one hand I really want to know the full extent of the conversation... on the other I know that some of the people I deal with and exchange information with may not honor my promise to you. I can promise that i personally will not tell Bruce what you tell me. If you are afraid that some of the others may pass on the information to Bruce without my permission, then, I would also be willing to not tell anyone else until such time as I can personally see the conection with your information and think it would be necessary to divulge. Several people have had on again, off again suspicions about Bruce, so hearing that you also feel that way does not shock me. But I would hope that you think twice before saying such to Dale, Bruce is his friend from college and they started Anoymous Fame together. I can also promise I won't tell Dale until such time as it is absolutely necessary to prevent a greater harm.
>
> I think you are right to be worried. Don Marzano is tied in to J.D's Death… he didn't do anything directly… I would ask that you not share the following with Phyllis, she has suffered enough lately… JD wasn't poisoned. He was very frightened before he died, and there was a man, a man with odd cuts on his face, in a circular pattern… He touched JD and caused his death in a very painful manner, at least that is my understanding of the situation. Don Marzano is up to something and it is a lot worse than "mob" or "mafia" business. Please. please Iris… if you see Don Marzano make sure there are other "normal" people around, and if not, get away from him, he is very very dangerous, and not in a gun toting way either.
>
The graffiti circles are one of our hanging threads at the moment, so
anything you could provide on them, in bits and pieces as you come across them in your daily routines, would be much appreciated.
>
Thank you for your help so far, it has been much appreciated, and again, I'm glad that you are there to help guide Phyllis through this trying time for her.
>
> Sending you good thoughts,
> Steffeny

This is the response I got to that:
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Dear Steffeny,

Since Mr. Sprague and I have never met and he seems to have no inclination to ever talk to me, you needn't fear that I shall inadvertently say something unwise to him. As for Mr. Abbott, well, he seems far too interested in some things and far too disinterested in others. It is just my gut feeling and I could be completely off base here, but as I said before I do not trust him. It saddens me that some in your circles make it a habit to share information with people even when they know that they probably should not and have been asked not to. It is my understanding that Mr. Abbott is emailing people, asking them to furnish him with the information I am giving them and that just smacks of someone who has other motives than just curiosity, you know?

Ok, on to your question about the graffiti. The other night James and I went out to survey the whole town and look at each and every site that has ever had graffiti. We did so under the cover of darkness so that no one would be suspicious and also so we could hopefully gain some more information on these DEG's that are still hanging around. Anyway, to make a long story short, the copy cat graffiti are gone, no longer visible by any means. I believe that if there was any special meaning to them, they are not metaphysical. The other 'normal' graffiti shine out like beacons, despite having been removed, so unless they found a different way to clean those specific buildings, the two sets are completely different and not related.

Iris



To which I responded - trying to follow up on a spec we had in chat last night (in the Im a Dale Watcher Room hosted by Sunny dearest)

Hi Iris,

Thank you for checking on those graffiti sites. I do really appreciate it. I don't think Dale is avoiding you intentionally, there is just an awful lot of stuff that appears to be centering around him and this town. I don't really talk to Bruce not since the day I tried to do something nice for Dale and asked people if they had any pictures of Diana and Meaghan that I could borrow to make copies, I wanted to make a new album for Dale and be able to give it to him so he wouldn't have to go through hurt each time he had to ask someone for copies of them. Bruce was very abrupt with me, not quite nasty, "If Dale wants them Dale can ask for them!" Of course not being able to hear a person's tone of voice I can't tell if he was being mean or not. But I will not be speaking to Bruce again for anything. I won't be asking or telling him anything from now on.

I don't understand what interest Bruce may have in Marzano, but I tell you, Don Marzano has some people with him that are pretty nasty. Especially the one with the odd cuts on his face. Poor Sal! I think his father killed him just because he was helping Dale!

How is Phyllis holding up? Since Don Marzano paid a visit to her store on Saturday, we think he may have been looking for something in particular in her shop... it could be either a wand shaped item or the other one is a mask of some kind. If you see either thinks, or something that might be shaped similarly, could James take a digital picture and send it to me?

I also have one other question and this one may seem a little odd, and maybe like you I'm also getting a little paranoid... When the guys were going to go out looking for the Jersey Devil, which one seemed to press the hardest for you to go with them?

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Steffeny

To which I got back a response, and man quick for some of them, including her...


Quote:
Dear Steffeny,

I am well aware of Mr. Marzano and the dangers surrounding him. We really do not know why Sal was killed, if he even was killed as Mr. Sprague is telling people. For all we know, Mr. Sprague could have done the deed himself and is either unaware of it, or hiding it from everyone. Yes, the Don is involved in a lot of things, but I am still not convinced that he is the epicenter of all that is wrong in this town. Mr. Sprague seems as likely a candidate for that distinction as anyone else.

You will have to ask Phyllis about what she might have in her shop. I have not seen anything like what you have described, but that does not mean she may not have something hidden away in a cabinet. I am not about to go searching through her things at a time like this and you can better explain why you are seeking information about such things.

I am not at all sure why it matters which of the boys wanted me to go with them, but the answer would be James, I suppose. He kept saying it would be fun and that I could use the fresh air and exercise.

Iris



Hmmm... is it just me, or do ppl seem to undergo a personality change when they go to Empty Threats.
Possibly Dale (who may or may not have shaken it off), Bruce, Wes, and now Iris... But not Phyllis who hasn't gone to the night club.

We know that Don found Tracie, but did he find the camera man? I spec we may be seeing a Chanel 8 exclusive soon....

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 		Why did you ask Iris about wich one of the boys pressed her to go hunting the Jersey Devil? I think I've missed something here

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Why did you ask Iris about wich one of the boys pressed her to go hunting the Jersey Devil? I think I've missed something here


Because od the spirals in the "Hands of the Shaman" painting and the faint spiral in the background of her website. Since his suggestion came :out of the blue" so to speak, I was worried he may, or may not be part of one ot the other groups. She mentioned it was Chris's idea. She had also mentioned in other e-mails how the boys would also attempt to "distract" her and wanted to go hunt for the Jersey Devil. Now if the side that is a bit more violent wanted to get her out into the woods ... So I had to ask, and if the answer had turned up Chris as instigator of both instances, I'd make a bigger deal of it. It doesn't rule out one or the other men are involved somehow... just less circumstantial evidence of it.

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Sunny du Pree wrote:
I felt I needed to share the info with Phyllis about JD. I didnt want her to hear it thru gossip so last night I emailed her and then Iris so that Iris would be with her to help her.


No Worries. I sent the information directly to Iris, to let her decide how much of what to tell or hold back, mainly because I didn't want to hurt Phyllis, my relationship with her is not anywhere near as close to her as your is.

That's also the reason why I pressed Dale to talk to Dr. K about Diana's medical records, I didn't want him to hear it from someone who forgot what ppl do and do not know, I also don't want Bruce to be the one to blurt it out to him in a stressfull moment when Dale might take it the wrong way and take us knowing first the wrong way. We can now honestly say to Dale if questioned, "we tried to break it go you the gentlest manner we knew how." If he chooses not to talk to Dr. K then it isn't for lack of not knowing that he should have.
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Magesteff wrote:
I didn't want him to hear it from someone who forgot what ppl do and do not know, I also don't want Bruce to be the one to blurt it out to him in a stressfull moment when Dale might take it the wrong way and take us knowing first the wrong way. We can now honestly say to Dale if questioned, "we tried to break it go you the gentlest manner we knew how." If he chooses not to talk to Dr. K then it isn't for lack of not knowing that he should have.


It sounded like Bruce didn't want us to be telling Dale either (see Heather's last email from him when Po910 hinted to him that Diana was pregnant - he was surprised, and worried about Dale).
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1898
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It sounded like Bruce didn't want us to be telling Dale either (see Heather's last email from him when Po910 hinted to him that Diana was pregnant - he was surprised, and worried about Dale).
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1898



Yeah, it looks that way. All the more reason to press Dale to talk to Dr. K about it.
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