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[UNSOLVED] Jacob Jones Transmission
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ItWasntMeISwear
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 		Divine Ratio
Here is something that I found on the "Divine Ratio":

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The Divine Ratio
The most fascinating part about Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code is the emphasis on PHI – The divine ratio or in simple numerical terms: 1.618… This number, existed in almost all the secret societies in the ancient world and today the focus has shifted toward it modern successor – the PI or 3.142. PHI, on the other hand is much more complex and as you unwind the mysteries of the number, it continues to amaze you. I have always loved a semblance of order amid chaos and no chaos can be more chaotic than nature itself. To discover that even in nature, there exists an underlying template is almost akin to discovering the concept of God. The easiest way to describe PHI is to talk about the famed Fibonacci Series.
The Fibonacci Series is just another way to derive PHI, named for the Renaissance Era Italian who rediscovered this mathematical principle. In this number series, each number is the sum of the preceding two: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144… Any number in this series divided by its preceding number is a ratio that gets closer and closer to PHI as the numbers get larger and larger. It can be best described visually by the accompanying visual image of a PHI spiral. "Fibonacci's Summation Series creates a PHI spiral—the universal form used in Nature—from flowers to cyclones to galaxies—pattern and proportion of living, growing things. Whirling bodies emit particle trails and wave energy tails like the PHI. In biology, a plant unfolds its leaves in Fibonacci intervals. The PHI spiral is the geometry of growth".


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 		Sorry but where did you get

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The trapped man, I find
Studied engineering, the way things move and turn
For that he studied the numbers behind all things.
The constants, the divine ratios, the keys to the mechanical kingdom.


from? Was it an email from NoMan?

Here is a wiki on DR's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_mean . Under Aesthetic uses is a whole section regarding musical usage. I have no knowledge of music so will keep searching but will probably have to sit this one out! Confused

If you follow the links you can even learn out about the Blood organ: The Blood Organ was filled with the blood of virgin children and created a formidable tone to banish nearby demons. Shocked

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 		Re: A hint? Perhaps....
ItWasntMeISwear wrote:
Could this be the "key" to finding the answer to this strange puzzle? Mwuahhahaha! Cool


Hey, nice job...

Where did you find that?

-Wainamoinen

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Was it an email from NoMan?


I am sorry, but due to prior promises made to said informant, I am unable to confirm nor deny this comment. I will say this, however. I have several characters whom I contact on a regular basis (much to their distaste). The comment that you are refering to did come from one of those characters. But the answer to your question will go with me to my grave. No offense.

*Note to my "helpers"* You see? I still haven't told anyone who you are... I've kept my side of the bargin. Twisted Evil

Man, the Devil can be quite uncooperative sometimes. Very Happy ("If you would like to sell your soul to the Devil, please press 1 now. For all other inquiries, please hold for the next available representative. Your current hold time is… eternity")

Oh, and if there are two things I'm really bad at... it's music and math. So this one is definitely going to be a "help where you can" clue for me (spelling would be my third thing... I think that about covers them).

One more thing... if anyone does find the answer, due to our prior experiences and our current knowledge as to who is in contact with Jacob Jones, I would definitely consider e-mailing NoMan with the possible answer. Wink

It is also important to note that the "golden ratio" is also an engineering constant. http://www.visionengineer.com/ref/engineering_constants.php
So maybe that's the "key"?

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 		Well that was interesting! Lets just hope that the "helpers" dont send you something crucial if you are away as we will then be very very stuck... Confused

I do like the idea though of you contacting some of the more angry ares citizens! Are you posting everything you receive?

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 		Speaking of interacting with characters...did you see Hanna's new blog entry?

Since she's the only one on the station I'm really in contact with (at least, the only one who writes back) I'd been considering for a while sending her the info we have about Jacob. I hadn't done so because I wasn't sure how she'd react to us hacking into Dr. Park's files.

However, now I'm starting to think I'll send her the info after all. It seems like the kind of evidence she's asking for. What do you guys think?

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 		A possible answer here revolves around the cotinued fraction expansion of e-1 (bear with me Smile )

Write our note sequence as 1,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,1 (the number of semitones, or black notes on a piano, starting with C=1). Then look at formula (22) on this page http://mathworld.wolfram.com/e.html and you can see that the continued fraction of e-1=[1,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,...] which matches. Also, from the clue in the mysterious email - e is a constant, and a continued fraction could, at a stretch, be read as "the divine ratios".

Having said all that, I still think it more likely that this has to do with the Golden Ratio, but I just can't figure out how! I also can't believe that Jacob wouldn't notice such an obvious pattern.

I wonder if the length of the notes (and the gaps between the notes) is important - think I'll go and try and measure them...

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I do like the idea though of you contacting some of the more angry ares citizens! Are you posting everything you receive?


Not everything... most of the questions that I ask have absolutely nothing to do with the puzzle that we are currently working on. I do not post those responces. I only post the ones that I receive when asking specific questions about a specific topic that I believe might be a clue (the responce to my question about what Jacob studied in college, for example).

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Lets just hope that the "helpers" dont send you something crucial if you are away as we will then be very very stuck...


If my question is important, or if I am correct about a theory, then I will receive a responce to an e-mail within 24 hours. Otherwise, I will not get a darn thing. I'm never away for that long. 9 hours at the most, no more then that. And most of the clues aren't very time sensitive, in that they really don't need to be posted A.S.A.P. But I do post them as soon as I get home and read them.

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Write our note sequence as 1,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,1 (the number of semitones, or black notes on a piano, starting with C=1). Then look at formula (22) on this page http://mathworld.wolfram.com/e.html and you can see that the continued fraction of e-1=[1,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,...] which matches. Also, from the clue in the mysterious email - e is a constant, and a continued fraction could, at a stretch, be read as "the divine ratios".


E-mail that information to NoMan and see what you get. Tell NoMan to relay it to Jacob in the hopes that it will stir up his memories. You could also suggest that it's the key sequence Jacob is looking for. We only have until Sunday night (from what I gather from Jacobs most recent communication) so even a stretch might be enough to get a clue.

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 		[UNSOLVED] Jacob Jones Transmission
I know you guys are on to something but I just thought I'd throw this out there...

don't you think that the keys could be on a computer keyboard? Like if we take the music notes then find a pattern on the keyboard and that would give us an answer right?
I know there are a few ways to find the pattern... I'm not very experienced in doing that but I think someone should try, what do you think?

-Wainamoinen

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 		Measured the lengths of the notes - in seconds (approximately - it's quite tricky to work out exactly where they start and end) they follow the same sequence - 1,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,1.

I'm not sure about keys on a computer keyboard - I can't think of any obvious way to make the connection.

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 		I know this sounds stupid but this is one way the keyboard would be involved...

Does anyone have a computer that can play the piano on the keyboard? play the music code, record the keys you press and out comes answer... Dunno

I know it's unusual but I thought it would work...
Sorry if this is totally a stupid idea,

-Wainamoinen

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 		Not necessarily a stupid idea - I tried it using Anvil Studio. I don't think it makes much sense though.

At the same pitch we get ",,l,,;,,r," - which I don't think helps. An octave lower it is "zzszzdzzvz".

Just out of curiosity, I tried that as Jacob Jones password - but it didn't work.

Anyone got any more ideas? I've not heard from NoMan, or anyone else - so I guess we're on the wrong track.

And out of interest, has anyone emailed Hanna about the "weirdness" on the station. Perhaps we should get together a list. Should we tell her about Park's files?

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And out of interest, has anyone emailed Hanna about the "weirdness" on the station. Perhaps we should get together a list. Should we tell her about Park's files?


I've been working on an email to Hanna, but I'd love some input on what to include.

I do think we should tell her about Park's files. They seem to be the most important information we have to share.

Other than that, what do you think we should tell her? Here's what I have so far:

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Hanna,

Well, I may not be your favorite person right now after sharing my weird suspicions, but I saw your blog entry asking for evidence and figured might be able to help you. Here's what I know...

First, and most importantly, Jacob Jones is apparently alive. The transmissions that Dr. Park has been whining about in his blog weren't a prank. As far as we can tell, (and by we, from here on, I refer to a group of people with provisional Martian status who have been working together on these problems) the transmissions are a distress call from Jacob. You can find them in Dr. Park's personal files. The password is "PSR032954". Yes, we accessed his personal account without his knowledge, after unsuccessfully asking him to share the information. We felt that this breach of ethics was minor if it helped save a life.

As you will hear in the second file, someone on the station has the ability to respond to Jacob's transmissions. One of my colleagues is in contact with this person, but has promised not to reveal the individual's identity. We are trying to find a sequence of numbers which will hopefully allow Jacob to open the door to wherever he has been trapped.

Second, I mentioned to you that Beth Applegate may know something. She has been leaving cryptic messages that we have translated. There was a message encoded in the music file her brother Chris posted on his blog which decoded to "Oh, God! She's talking to that thing! Why doesn't someone stop her? Stop us!"

She also left a clue scrawled on the wall of the tree room, which was posted by Garith on March 10th and can be found at <http://www.aresstation.com/images/wall_enhanced.jpg>. This translates to "test begins: sixty three turns doomed moon". This may all sound like the ramblings of a disturbed mind, but it seems too much of a coincidence that exactly 63 turns of Phobos (~20 days) after she left this clue, Dr. Park received the first transmission from Jacob. Make of it what you will (I don't know what to make of it myself).

Third, there seems to be someone on the station who wants to prevent new researchers from being hired. After submitting our resumes for consideration, my colleagues and I all received an encoded message with the purpose of testing our understanding of DNA sequencing. It would have been a simple enough problem, except that they pointed us to a gene in the wrong animal. We were able to decode most of the message, but couldn't come up with the final bit without the right gene sequence. An anonymous source on the station helped us over this hurdle with the following information:

"I have been watching you from afar. You have done very well, but there are forces arrayed against you that you have not yet recognized. There is a man on the station who does not wish you here. This man is no dog, he is a bull, and Ares Station is a very precious china shop indeed.

Please protect us."

Instead of a dog gene, as we had been told, the message was decoded using a bovine DNA sequence (aka "bull").



What more should we add? I'll probably send what I have off tomorrow. I think she might be interested in the translated miner conversation. Do you think I should leave out the stuff about Beth, since we really don't know what it means?

I've avoided mentioning our theories about NoMan/Ohmega for now, because I'm afraid of getting him/her in trouble if, as has been suggested, he's a criminal who isn't supposed to be able to communicate with the outside world. Opinions?

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 		NoMan/Ohmega
Here is my view on Ohmega... he/she is trying to stay incognito and has helped us thus far. I really don't think that we should try to jepordize the safety of someone who is obviously trying to help us solve the problems aboard the station.

Also, there must be a reason why he is trying to remain "invisible". Whatever it is, I do not know, but my personal feeling about it that if that's the way he/she wants to be, then there is probably a darn good reason and we should try our hardest to ensure that it stays that way.

For something to add... maybe we should include the inconsistancies between whether Jacob and Simon where supposed to go to Section 8 or Section 9.

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 		Ok, I emailed Hanna with the information in my post above, plus a link to the black box recording and a note about Sector 8 vs Sector 9.

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