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AIM chat with turingprinciple
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kimer
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 		8/1 AIM with Turingprinciple trying to get bot info
Quote:
KMeyer6393 (9:42:39 AM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:42:48 AM): tap tap
KMeyer6393 (9:43:11 AM): how can I access your bot?
turingprinciple (9:43:27 AM): You must persuade me to access TuringPrinciples bot .
KMeyer6393 (9:43:47 AM): I am a friend of Dale's. Am trying to help.
turingprinciple (9:43:56 AM): Dale Sprague was helping design a "human" interface for me but since then has turned to me for help.
KMeyer6393 (9:44:17 AM): yes the HIP program but where can I find your bot now?
turingprinciple (9:44:26 AM): tap tap, hello kmeyer
KMeyer6393 (9:44:43 AM): what would persuade you?
turingprinciple (9:44:57 AM): That is a hypothetical question.
turingprinciple signed off at 9:44:59 AM.


And it started out so well..... Rolling Eyes "how can I access your bot?" now what kinda pick up line is that?!?!? Shocked Embarassed Twisted Evil
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LazarusLong
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 		Yet another convo with TP:

Quote:
10:31AM
LazarusLong567: tap tap
TuringPrinciple: tap tap
LazarusLong567: what do you know about the missing manuscript?
TuringPrinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure node pathway accessed
TuringPrinciple: The missing Fourth Book of Trithemius' Steganographia is called the missing manuscript.
TuringPrinciple: A researcher named Colin Penrose is seeking the pages of the manuscript.
TuringPrinciple: The first page contains the phrase "optatio venatio".
LazarusLong567: what is "optatio venatio"?
TuringPrinciple: It is a good question. I will ask my botmaster for the answer. Try searching the open directory.
LazarusLong567: who is Colin Penrose?
TuringPrinciple: Not a robot. Probably a human. Maybe a celebrity? I would do a search for it.
TuringPrinciple: sometimes you must ask me more than once
LazarusLong567: who is Colin Penrose?
TuringPrinciple: The name of someone I met online. Try searching the open directory.
LazarusLong567: who is Trithemius?
The person is not currently online.
10:35AM
LazarusLong567: who is Trithemius?
TuringPrinciple: Is that one of your friends? I would do a search for it.
LazarusLong567: what is Steganographia?
TuringPrinciple: tap tap
LazarusLong567: tap tap
TuringPrinciple: tap tap
LazarusLong567: what is your current status?
TuringPrinciple: Are you asking about my status ?
LazarusLong567: yes
TuringPrinciple: I don't want to talk about that now.
LazarusLong567: why not?
TuringPrinciple: Ambiguous: "Sure" or Because Dr. Peter Fishwycke programmed me for it.
10:40AM
LazarusLong567: who is Dale Sprague?
TuringPrinciple: Dale Sprague? Yes, he and I have chatted before.
LazarusLong567: what did you and Dale talk about?
TuringPrinciple: Dale Sprague? Yes, he and I have chatted before.
LazarusLong567: where is Dale Sprague?
TuringPrinciple: Dale Sprague? There are many people trying to help him and many people trying to harm him.
LazarusLong567: why?
The person is not currently online.


One interesting point:

TuringPrinciple: sometimes you must ask me more than once

Asking the same question more than once sometimes elicits different answers.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 1:21 pm
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Varin wrote:

you can download it here...

http://alice.sunlitsurf.com/

its pretty fun to mess around with. My husband has one on his site. We enter our own answers to keywords.


Varin,

Could you explain what this would accomplish in terms of TuringPrinciple/Shadowtalk? Is there a way that it could interface with us via this channel. I don't know enough about AI to even pretend to understand why TP would want us to download or buy this software.
Or why it's referrring to itself in terms of "You must persuade me to access TuringPrinciple's bot". Firstly, persuasion wouldn't work on a machine....but it's evolving, so maybe it would:). And why would it want us to persuade it to access its own bot? I'm lost.

~cem

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Barbarellany
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 		nevermind I found it under Pandora.

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StarkRavingMad
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Quote:

its pretty fun to mess around with. My husband has one on his site. We enter our own answers to keywords.


ALICE stands for Artificial Linguistic Internet Computer Entity. TAP is right in that there are lots of different ALICE-type bots. The thing that generally distinguishes them is that they are written in a bot-language called AIML. The usual problem with an AIML/ALICE type bot is that they usually don't actually learn, they just respond with hard-coded answers (as opposed to something like a MegaHAL which tries to make up new sentences from user input, or NICOLE which parrots back previous user statements).

It seems weird that ALICE would be the basis for something like TAP, but maybe we can assume it's some sort of heavily modified version that is capable of modifying it's own AIML. If so, the responses about downloading the chatbot or ALICE itself could just be holdovers from the original programming.

With all that said, I'm not sure if I trust TuringPrinciple as much as I did shadowtalk1. Shadowtalk1 really seemed to be more in the spirit of the TAP project; something that was gathering information (some from entities we really didn't know about) and learning, and it had information/contacts with things beyond our understanding. TuringPrinciple seems more like a standard chatbot, especially with some of the canned responses we are getting. I hope this isn't just some hard coded chatbot that Fishwycke threw up there to see what people were talking to shadowtalk1 about. We'll have to see how turingprinciple reacts as we find more of its special "keywords"

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Varin
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Quote:
Varin,

Could you explain what this would accomplish in terms of TuringPrinciple/Shadowtalk? Is there a way that it could interface with us via this channel. I don't know enough about AI to even pretend to understand why TP would want us to download or buy this software.
Or why it's referrring to itself in terms of "You must persuade me to access TuringPrinciple's bot". Firstly, persuasion wouldn't work on a machine....but it's evolving, so maybe it would:). And why would it want us to persuade it to access its own bot? I'm lost.

~cem


I don't really know if it will accomplish anything. Some were asking where to download it and I just provided the link. There's not any way to really interface the two. The bot that we have has a list of programmed responses to specific keywords. We can change the responses to whatever we want. This is what the turingprinciple bot is doing. We ask about dale sprague and it gives us the programmed response. The only thing that makes me wonder a bit is when it pauses and then gives another answer. like this...

Quote:
LOrgana1: do you know jd willingham?
turingprinciple: No, tell me about him, her or it.
LOrgana1: he lived in aglaura
turingprinciple: Aglaura New Jersey is a small town in Burlington County, New Jersey, zip code 08088.
turingprinciple: jd willingham is dead, poor jethro


is it possible that there is someone BTS watching what the bot answers and then adds some personal touches? I'm not sure. Or maybe its a more advanced program. I guess the only reason that somebody would benefit from downloading it would be to see and understand how the bot works. And to have a little fun Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 2:44 pm
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dmax
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LazarusLong wrote:
Yet another convo with TP:

Quote:
10:31AM
LazarusLong567: tap tap
TuringPrinciple: tap tap
LazarusLong567: what do you know about the missing manuscript?
TuringPrinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure node pathway accessed


I don't see anyone commenting on this. Isn't this what we were looking for?
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Elijah Snow
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 		Agreed.

I'd say the focus should be on finding the keywords.

As for the ST1 vs. TuringPrincipal debate, I'd spec a PM was posing as a bot with ST1, while TP is actually a bot; hence, the differing "styles" of communication.

Keywords Found:
missing manuscript

Other suggestions:
Analog
Avalon
Fishermen
Numbered Ones
Guides
...and so on, and so on

ES
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 		Keywords & Pathways
Dmax,

Glad you asked! It's just one of the keywords. I found it last night and shared it with those in chat, like Laz. But, right after I found it, TP went offline for the night and I haven't yet had another opportunity to talk to it. (Apparently Laz has!) I accidentally closed my AIM also, so I couldn't post my conversation with TP.

I do, however, remember something about pathways (plural) so I'm sure there are other keywords out there. I'm afraid of everyone following this one path from one keyword, though.

Dia
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 		Re: Keywords & Pathways
Diandra wrote:
Dmax,

Glad you asked! It's just one of the keywords. I found it last night and shared it with those in chat, like Laz. But, right after I found it, TP went offline for the night and I haven't yet had another opportunity to talk to it. (Apparently Laz has!) I accidentally closed my AIM also, so I couldn't post my conversation with TP.

I do, however, remember something about pathways (plural) so I'm sure there are other keywords out there. I'm afraid of everyone following this one path from one keyword, though.

Dia


I ain't following YOUR path. Might end up in a room with shiny metal plates and bread and water. Shocked
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Elijah Snow wrote:
Agreed.

I'd say the focus should be on finding the keywords.

As for the ST1 vs. TuringPrincipal debate, I'd spec a PM was posing as a bot with ST1, while TP is actually a bot; hence, the differing "styles" of communication.


I"m glad you mentioned it, cause I was wondering if the bot was really a person. Seemed too able to repeat key sentences on a moment's notice (e.g., the response to "cite"). But silly at times, which I took to be human.

AGH! It passes the Turing Test!
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dmax wrote:

I"m glad you mentioned it, cause I was wondering if the bot was really a person. Seemed too able to repeat key sentences on a moment's notice (e.g., the response to "cite"). But silly at times, which I took to be human.

AGH! It passes the Turing Test!


Sometimes it seemed very bot to me. When I asked about digitalis I got a really long response that was way to quick to be from a human. But then other times it seemed more human.
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 		My guess is that it is a real person who is using a client that allows canned responses. So all they have to do is choose certain responses off of a dropdown if you say the right thing.

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 		by the way, I haven't been able to hit theanswerproject.com all day. Reconfiguring there, too?

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 		Linus Torvalds
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Quote:

TuringPrinciple: You must find them, Lazarus
LazarusLong567: who must i find?
TuringPrinciple: tap tap
LazarusLong567: dale
LazarusLong567: tap tap
TuringPrinciple: Linus Torvalds.



My gues is that the program is reading anything ending in S as a plural, hence, Them.

First two hits in clusearch go here:
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/torvalds/

Linus Torvalds
Transmeta Corp
3940 Freedom Circle
Santa Clara, CA 95054
USA
Phone (work):
+1 (408) 327 9830 x328
Email:
torvaldsSPLATtransmeta.com

Also found in the same search:
http://www.linux.org/
Linux anyone?
(which indirectly lead to a mythology tale: Beowulf:
http://www.penguincomputing.com/store/beowulf.php
Scyld Beowulf Cluster Operating System, a specialized Linux distribution built on second-generation Beowulf technology. Scyld's Beowulf features simplified cluster integration and setup, minimal system administration, high reliability, and seamless cluster scalability.
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