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y2kbozo
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 		UPDATE: NeoThought
The preface page of Neothought:

http://www.neothought.com/preface.html

has updated to:

Quote:
An Introduction Into New Thinking

Borges' A Garden of Forking Paths:

" ... a picture, incomplete yet not false, of the universe as Ts'ui Pen conceived it to be. Differing from Newton and Schopenhauer, ... [he] did not think of time as absolute and uniform. He believed in an infinite series of times, in a dizzily growing, every spreading network of diverging, converging and parallel times. This web of time - the strands of which approach one another, bifurcate, intersect or ignore each other through the centuries - embraces every possibility. We do not exist in most of them. In some you exist and not I, while in others I do, and you do not, and in yet others both of us exist. In this one, in which chance has favored me, you have come to my gate. In another, you, crossing the garden, have found me dead. In yet another, I say these very same words, but am an error, a phantom."

We customarily think of the outside world as separate from ourselves, and the boundary between the two is the surface of our skin. However, think of a blind person who gets around with the assistance of a cane. In time that person will probably treat the cane as part of his or her body, and will think of the outside world as beginning just at the tip of the cane. Now imagine the blind man's sense of touch extending out of the tip of the cane and into the roadway itself. Imagine it extending further, down the block, into the countryside, to the whole world. There is no point where the blind man ends and the world begins. Similarly, we can not say which is the system and which is us observing it.

One of the most recent theories sweeping the world of quantum mechanics posits the idea that the past is influenced by our observations and actions today. If this is true, it means that there is no "absolute past", because there is always the possibility at any time that someone in the present may alter it.

But the Parallel Worlds theory of qm has an answer, or the start of one. Accoding to it, there is no fixed past. The past we believe to be the past is what a community of interacting intelligent entities have chosen it to be. There are a multitude of other pasts waiting to be discovered. But that implies that there an endless multitude of possible futures awaiting us as well. So which one of these futures has the ability to affect us (in its past) in our current time? The answer is, all of them.

Now, if the future communicates and influences the present, and the present affects the past, then, logically, time is not a fixed, pre-defined entity. In other words, we should be able to move through time.

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There is a broken link on the page:

http://www.neothought.com/stepone.html

As this is an old page from an old game which had this as an active link, I think it got left in by mistake.

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 		Re: UPDATE: NeoThought
y2kbozo wrote:
The preface page of Neothought:

http://www.neothought.com/preface.html

has updated to:

Quote:
An Introduction Into New Thinking

Borges' A Garden of Forking Paths:....be able to move through time.

more soon


There is a broken link on the page:

http://www.neothought.com/stepone.html

As this is an old page from an old game which had this as an active link, I think it got left in by mistake.



No... TP said in e-mail, was an old site of Peter's, that he stopped messing with once TAP went live (yes it may be form an old game so it just got recycled into this one)
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 		A little old, a little new...
I ment to say that stepone.html was an old page. The content of the preface page is new. It is the link to stepone.html I think was left in by mistake. For those of you who are curious, stepone.html used to say:
Quote:
An Introduction Into New Thinking

Logic and the Wall

One of the main obstacles to learning to think in new and unconditioned ways is something that we all take for granted, something we use everyday unconsciously in our
day-to-day planning and decision-making. It's something that is so ingrained into our way of thinking that many people have a hard time ever truly understanding how it
colors and affects their judgement, even after they are exposed to this "lesson." In fact, many people think I am joking when they first realize what it is I am talking about
because "it" has become such a natural and automatic part of their thought process. But, in truth, "it" is a totally arbitrary, man-made construct with no basis or application
in the real world. What is "it"? Logic.

"What?" I can hear you asking as you read the word again. Logic?
Yes, logic.
"But, logic makes the world function. It explains how things are inter-related and allows us to solve problems in practical and rational ways."

Oh really? What if I could prove to you that pure logic has no application in the real world, the world we can touch and feel? What if I could prove to you that logic says you
cannot do simple, everyday tasks that you know you can do? Would that shake up your vision of the world and how you relate to it? Read on.

Let's start with a little, simple definition. A 1995 edition of Webster's defines logic as: "the science or art of reasoning; a mode of arguiing." (I know it's outdated but do you
really think it's changed that much?) So basically, it defines "logic" as the way we reason or make decisions. Notice it doesn't say "a" it says "the". It's not open for
debate; it's simply our only way to reason.

OK, now for the proof of how logic has no application to reality, that it is merely a mental game we play with ourselves. But before we start, I want you to get up and go and
touch the wall facing you across the room. Don't ask "Why?" Just do it. Do you want to learn to free your mind and think in a new way or not?

Back? Good. Here we go. First, since the only frame of reference you have to understand this a logical proof, that's the form we will follow. It's kind of like trying to teach
you a brand new language; I can't hope to have any success unless I explain the words, phrases and concepts in the language you already understand. Let's start with a
few mutually agreeable assumptions. Just two simple facts that science has confirmed many times over are true and you would be hard pressed to make an argument
against.

Assumption 1: Every unit of measurement we employ can be divided into a smaller unit, limited only by our ability to measure. There is no smallest unit of measurement.
We are always finding ways to go even smaller.

Assumption 2: To go from point A on a line to point B on a line, you must first go halfway and be there for some period of time, even if its a millisecond. Again, like
distance, our standing theory is that there is no absolute smallest measuring unit for time; it's determined by our technology and ability to measure.

Now, with those two concepts in mind, think about what you just did when you got up, walked across the room, and touched the wall. Logically, you cannot ever do that,
even though, in reality, you just did. Here is why. As you start to walk towards the wall from point A (where you are at) to point B (the wall) you must first get to and stop at
(even for a fraction of a second) point C, halfway between A and B. Likewise, to go from point C (your new location) to point B (the wall) you must first get to and stop at
(even for a fraction of a second) point D, halfway between B and C. Now, if there is no limit to number of times any distance can be sub-divided and split in half, then
logically you can never reach the wall. You must always get to and stop at some point halfway there first.

So what exactly does that mean? Everyone knows that you can get up, walk to, and touch the wall. Exactly. That means that there is only one conclusion that can be
reached from the above example - logic has no true application or meaning in the "real" world.

Are you interested in knowing more? Check back soon.


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 		Re: A little old, a little new...
y2kbozo wrote:
For those of you who are curious, stepone.html used to say:
Quote:
An Introduction Into New Thinking

Logic and the Wall
....
Now, with those two concepts in mind, think about what you just did when you got up, walked across the room, and touched the wall. Logically, you cannot ever do that... you can never reach the wall. You must always get to and stop at some point halfway there first.

So what exactly does that mean? Everyone knows that you can get up, walk to, and touch the wall. Exactly. That means that there is only one conclusion that can be
reached from the above example - logic has no true application or meaning in the "real" world.

Are you interested in knowing more? Check back soon.


I heard that a number of years ago phrased a bit differently:

At a symposia for theoretical and applied mathmaticians, a question was asked about what the difference was between the two disciplines: the interactive explaination was similat to the above:

Men were put on one side of the room and the same number of ladies (paired with each of the men) were on the other side of the room.

The Speaker asked the men to walk half way across the room (repeat) until they reached the women and then they could give them a kiss. Well the theoretical Mathmeticians didn't even bother to start across, knowing they would never reach the end point, while the applied mathmeticians walked clear across the room and claimed the kiss.

The moral of the story?
Depending on your point of view, sometimes close is not close enough to accomplish your goal, and sometimes it is...
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 		i posted this in the puzzles section too, but here's another neothought page from our first discovered pathway...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
http://www.neothought.com/hermes.htm

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 		When www.neothought.com was "Googled" this came up:

http://www.neothought.com/pending.swf

Any ideas?!

ES
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Elijah Snow wrote:
When www.neothought.com was "Googled" this came up:

http://www.neothought.com/pending.swf

Any ideas?!

ES


this looks really familiar. Have we seen this before or am I having some sort of internet deja vu?
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Varin wrote:
Elijah Snow wrote:
When www.neothought.com was "Googled" this came up:

http://www.neothought.com/pending.swf

Any ideas?!

ES


this looks really familiar. Have we seen this before or am I having some sort of internet deja vu?


Must be real. I had the same deja vu. But from where?
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 		It's the Fibonacci spiral of squares.

And the background sort of reminds me of the Icarus pic/puzzle?(But on second look...no...lol)

~cem

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 		Where oh wehere did the fibonacci spirals come from
cemgate2002 wrote:
It's the Fibonacci spiral of squares.

And the background sort of reminds me of the Icarus pic/puzzle?(But on second look...no...lol)

~cem

I have been told that Dave used this site and the fibonacci spirals before
in another game! So you probably saw it there! LOL
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dmax wrote:
Varin wrote:
Elijah Snow wrote:
When www.neothought.com was "Googled" this came up:

http://www.neothought.com/pending.swf

Any ideas?!

ES


this looks really familiar. Have we seen this before or am I having some sort of internet deja vu?


Must be real. I had the same deja vu. But from where?


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