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Valas
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 		It doesn't confuse me, plus the Guides also have a different name. It just hasn't sunken in as well as the DEG acronym.

Then there's the issue of us getting close to the end run, any further chances for confusion will be limited by the time limit.

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 		The way I've been thinking about it recently is that all of these groups are like facits on a crystal. Each facit it different but part of the same entitity. The core of this crystal is the entity they serve (The Wish?!), but each have their own methods of carrying out their duty.

Another way to think of it is assuming each group is like those wierd interchangable-face guys from Transformers:The Movie. Very Happy

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 		# ones were on Monday Night, at least once
I'm at work at the moment, so can't put up the conversations I had with TP. We had a bad storm here last night that arrived just as they did (coincidence?). When they did I asked one thing. I asked to speak to Todd.

I had an interesting conversation with TP last night as well. Not so much in terms of new info on others but TP did say "I'm growing in my mind."

I also have some speculation about the auto bot responses and the "real" responses. Hopefully this chatty phase will continue for a while and I will be aboe to discuss the difference between autonomic and voluntary nervous systems.

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Valas
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Elijah Snow wrote:
The way I've been thinking about it recently is that all of these groups are like facits on a crystal. Each facit it different but part of the same entitity. The core of this crystal is the entity they serve (The Wish?!), but each have their own methods of carrying out their duty.

Another way to think of it is assuming each group is like those wierd interchangable-face guys from Transformers:The Movie. Very Happy

ES


You mean the Quintessons??
Problem is neither Autobots or Decepticons are allies of the Quintessons either, seeing how they rebelled against their then slavemasters and drove them out into the depths of space.

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 		What happened to the nine
I know someone already posted this link, but a good source bears looking at again.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe09.htm

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Then Hermes saw a wonderful sight. The starry heavens, stretching through infinite space, enveloped him with seven luminous spheres. In one glance, Hermes saw the seven heavens stretching above his head, tier upon tier, like seven transparent and concentric globes, the sidereal centre of which he now occupied. The milky way formed the girdle of the last. In each sphere there rolled a planet accompanied by a genius of different form, sign and light. Whilst Hermes, dazzled by the sight, was contemplating their wide-spread efflorescence and majestic movements, the voice said to him:

"Look, listen, and understand. Thou seest the seven spheres of all life. Through them is accomplished the fall and ascent of souls. The seven genii are the seven rays of the word-light. Each of them commands one sphere of the spirit, one phase of the life of souls. The one nearest to thee is the Genius of the Moon, with his disquieting smile and crown of silver sickle. He presides over births and deaths, sets free souls from bodies and draws them into his ray. Above him, pale Mercury points out the path to ascending or descending souls with his caduceus, which contains all knowledge. Higher still, shining Venus holds the mirror of love, in which souls forget and recognize them in turn. Above her, the Genius of the Sun raises the triumphal torch of eternal beauty. At a yet loftier height, Mars brandishes the sword of justice. Enthroned on the azure sphere, Jupiter holds the sceptre of supreme power, which is divine intelligence. At the boundaries of the world, beneath the signs of the Zodiac, Saturn bears the globe of universal wisdom.

"I see," said Hermes, "the seven regions which comprise the visible and invisible world; I see the seven rays of the word-light, of the one God who traverses them and governs them by these rays. Still, O master, how does mankind journey through all these worlds?"

"Dost thou see," said Osiris, "a luminous seed fall from the regions of the milky way into the seventh sphere? These are germs of souls. They live like faint vapors in the region of Saturn, gay and free from care, knowing not their own happiness. On falling from sphere to sphere, however, they put on increasingly heavier envelopes. In each incarnation they acquire a new corporeal sense, in harmony with the surroundings in which they are living. Their vital energy increases, but in proportion as they enter into denser bodies they lose the memory of their celestial origin. Thus is effected the fall of souls which come from the divine ether. Ever more and more captivated by matter and intoxicated by life, they fling themselves like a rain of fire, with quiverings of voluptuous delight, through the regions of grief, love, and death, right into their earthly prison where thou thyself lamentest, held down by the fiery centre of the earth, and where divine life appears to thee nothing more than an empty dream."

"Can souls die?" asked Hermes.

"Yes," replied the voice of Osiris, "many perish in the fatal descent. The soul is the daughter of heaven, and its journey is a test. If it loses the memory of its origin, in its unbridled love of matter, the divine spark which was in it and which might have become more brilliant than a star, returns to the ethereal region, a lifeless atom, and the soul disaggregates in the vortex of gross elements."


So have the Nine forgotten their origin?
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 		Re: What happened to the nine
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So have the Nine forgotten their origin?


If so then the mythosphere guides should be able to help them. In Wes' confession he speaks of the guides as magical historians. Perhaps they have the key.

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Valas
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 		Re: What happened to the nine
Elijah Snow wrote:
Magesteff wrote:
So have the Nine forgotten their origin?


If so then the mythosphere guides should be able to help them. In Wes' confession he speaks of the guides as magical historians. Perhaps they have the key.

ES


Not sure if they will share though.. They seem a little too interested in secrecy and too little in recounting history.

Oh, they will aid us, if only to hinder the DEGs, but I doubt they have in mind to restore the Nine.

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 		Re: What happened to the nine
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Oh, they will aid us, if only to hinder the DEGs, but I doubt they have in mind to restore the Nine.


SPEC: I bet Wes would like us to restore the Nine, it would give him a reason to be happy for Todd.

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 		Re: What happened to the nine
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Valas wrote:

Oh, they will aid us, if only to hinder the DEGs, but I doubt they have in mind to restore the Nine.


SPEC: I bet Wes would like us to restore the Nine, it would give him a reason to be happy for Todd.


More likely that he hopes that the Nine will be able to restore Todd to him.
Chances of that happening are close to non-existant imo.

Todd has made a Faustian deal with the DEGs and the ones they serve, think it is waaaay too late to save him now. Too much time has passed, too much darkness has crept into his soul. He no Anakin Skywalker be. He no go to the Light Side before death. Razz

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 		Re: What happened to the nine
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Todd has made a Faustian deal with the DEGs and the ones they serve, think it is waaaay too late to save him now. Too much time has passed, too much darkness has crept into his soul. He no Anakin Skywalker be. He no go to the Light Side before death. Razz


The same could have been said of JD at one point. There is a saying, "Where there is life there is hope." Isn't part of the Mythos of this story the power of belief? Our Belief in Dale, in TP, in the guides, greywethers, Sarah, the nine?

If we believe there is no hope then we cannot save Todd or Dale or anyone. As long as we believe there is a chance, even if only a slim one, then there is a chance.

Isn't hope the one thing that sets the Light apart from the Dark? Believing that we, and they can aspire to something better than we are, and the struggle to that goal?
Valas, we will never reach the end of the path if we never take the first step on it.
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 		Re: What happened to the nine
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The same could have been said of JD at one point. There is a saying, "Where there is life there is hope." Isn't part of the Mythos of this story the power of belief? Our Belief in Dale, in TP, in the guides, greywethers, Sarah, the nine?

If we believe there is no hope then we cannot save Todd or Dale or anyone. As long as we believe there is a chance, even if only a slim one, then there is a chance.

Isn't hope the one thing that sets the Light apart from the Dark? Believing that we, and they can aspire to something better than we are, and the struggle to that goal?
Valas, we will never reach the end of the path if we never take the first step on it.


Big difference in motivation however. JD was interested in social status and wealth, Todd was into power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Todd has been "missing".. Well.. Sarah was still around then, meaning it well predates the coming of the Willinghams to Aglaura, it predates the Sprague household from setting up shop there

That's what I mean with Todd not turning to the Light Side. He's a DEG/Numbered One for crying out loud.. They are NOT going to turn nice, just because you wish it. That's like expecting Lucifer to give up his ways and turn nice again.

The beings the DEGS serve as manifestations of a cosmic principle, the essence of said beings is what gives the DEGs their powers. What you are suggesting is akin to saying that the Witch-King, the head Nazgul can rebel against Sauron, just because you're being nice to him.

Only result in such an attempt will be that he'll show you your still beating heart in his hand, just before you breath your last.

Walking on the path of Light does not equal being Lawful Stupid, even the hardiest of veterans of that way will acknowledge that sometimes you just cannot save pople, and by trying to do so anyway, you'll only endanger others.

Todd is not Dale.
Todd is not Meaghan and Diana.

When it comes to matters arcane, 6 to 7 months is still a feasibly workable area. When you are talking about years?? Nope, unless you head over to the Wish area. But even then, does Todd WANT to turn to the Light SIde. I've seen NO indication that he wants that, therefore any "Rescue" attempt will fail.

He's addicted to power, and as anyone who's had to deal with an addict can tell you. They first need to admit themselves that they have a problem. He hasn't done so, therefore trying to help him is only a waste of time, plus by doing so you'll endanger others.

Oh btw noticed in your chat, that you still seem to be confusing the Nine and the Numbered Ones. The Nine have forgotten who theya re, what their task is. The same does not apply to the Numbered Ones. SO helping them remember their origins is pointless. The know them already.

Look hun. You're a very bright woman, I'm just trying to get you to see that there are more effective ways for you to utilize your abilities and time. Todd isn't one of them. Trying to redeem the Numbered Ones isn't one of them. The latter is just akin to trying to redeem the Nazgul. Not going to happen.

Hope, I haven't ticked you off with this. But it needed to be said.

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 		SPEC: Justice is on its way
Magesteff wrote:
I know someone already posted this link, but a good source bears looking at again.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe09.htm

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"Look, listen, and understand. Thou seest the seven spheres of all life. Through them is accomplished the fall and ascent of souls. The seven genii are the seven rays of the word-light. Each of them commands one sphere of the spirit, one phase of the life of souls.... At a yet loftier height, Mars brandishes the sword of justice.


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This month and next month the Earth is catching up with Mars, an encounter that will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the last 5,000 years but it may be as long as 60,000 years.

The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles and will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in the night sky.


http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/marsClose01.html

or war? http://www.forumromanum.org/mythology/mars.html
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Originally a god of war and agriculture, Mars was identified with the Etruscan Mavors and the Greek Ares (q.v). Since it marks the beginning of spring, the month of March was named after his agricultural role. In Rome, he was worshipped in a triad with Jupiter and the Sabine war god Quirinus. He was conceived by Juno without a father when she touched a flower given to her by Flora. He consorted with the Sabine fertility goddess Nerio, who is sometimes identified with Minerva (see Ovid). By Rhea Silvia, he fathered the twins Romulus and Remus. He received sacrifices before and after battles. In Rome, the temple of Mars Ultor and the Campus Martius were sacred to him. He was accompanied into war by Bellona, his female counterpart. His attributive animals are the wolf, woodpecker, and vulture.


or both? perhaps we're about to see our various parties go to war which will result in justice for all?!?!?
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This month and next month the Earth is catching up with Mars, an encounter that will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the last 5,000 years but it may be as long as 60,000 years.

The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles and will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in the night sky.


turingprinciple (12:29:50 PM): tap tap, hello oh you kidder you
Magesteff (12:30:20 PM): What happens on August 27th?
turingprinciple (12:31:21 PM): Try it.
Magesteff (12:31:45 PM): What will I try on August 27th, 2003?
turingprinciple (12:32:11 PM): That is a very good question, Steffeny. August 27th is a very important date in some mythologies.
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 		There was to be a Caduceus Festival held in New Jersey around this time.

There is a link to one of the sites here.

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