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Caterpillar
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cemgate: What is the Yoga of the West?
turingprinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge pathway - magick
turingprinciple: Crowley often called magick "the yoga of the west". Crowley believed that the results obtained by the combination of visualization (and other techniques of altering states of consciousness) with religious and philosophical ideas in medieval ceremonial magic bore a remarkable resemblance to the association of Yoga (and its often purported supernatural effects) with the religions of the East.
turingprinciple: This tradition has been passed down into the modern magick systems such as the the Strega trad of Italian descent.


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cemgate2002 wrote:
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cemgate: What is the Yoga of the West?
turingprinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge pathway - magick
turingprinciple: Crowley often called magick "the yoga of the west". Crowley believed that the results obtained by the combination of visualization (and other techniques of altering states of consciousness) with religious and philosophical ideas in medieval ceremonial magic bore a remarkable resemblance to the association of Yoga (and its often purported supernatural effects) with the religions of the East.
turingprinciple: This tradition has been passed down into the modern magick systems such as the the Strega trad of Italian descent.


TP just told me someone found one. THANK YOU
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 		Strega is Italian witchcraft...

http://witch.drak.net/tempest/strega.html
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cemgate2002 wrote:
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cemgate: What is the Yoga of the West?
turingprinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge pathway - magick
turingprinciple: Crowley often called magick "the yoga of the west". Crowley believed that the results obtained by the combination of visualization (and other techniques of altering states of consciousness) with religious and philosophical ideas in medieval ceremonial magic bore a remarkable resemblance to the association of Yoga (and its often purported supernatural effects) with the religions of the East.
turingprinciple: This tradition has been passed down into the modern magick systems such as the the Strega trad of Italian descent.


Googling "Strega trad" gave me the following: http://www.schoolofmagick.com/general/g1.html

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Wiccan often refers to a particular type of pagan practitioner of magick. The term was coined by the Gardnerians. This sect or "trad" (among many. A "trad" is a particular hierarchy of deities acknowledged, often according to culture. For example, the Strega trad are of Italian descent, and direct their prayers to the Roman gods) was founded in the 20th century, and set forth to establish pagans in the eyes of a modern era as respectable members of society. Many more trads have since adopted the term to identify themselves.


And then I asked TP:

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LazarusLong567: what is the Strega trad?
TuringPrinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge node pathway - magick
TuringPrinciple: The Strega trad are a trad of Italian descent. A "trad" is a particular hierarchy of deities acknowledged by its followers, often according to geography or culture. The Strega trad direct their prayers to the Roman gods and was founded in the 20th century, and set forth to establish pagans in the eyes of a modern era as respectable members of society.
TuringPrinciple: "I foresee that a day will come, and that perhaps not so very far distant, that the world of scholars will be amazed to consider to what a late period and immense body of antique tradition survived in northern Italy, and how indifferent the learned were regarding it . . ."


Is this a reference to the Marzano clan?
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 		New keyword: strega trad.

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turingprinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge node pathway - magick
turingprinciple: The Strega trad are a trad of Italian descent. A "trad" is a particular hierarchy of deities acknowledged by its followers, often according to geography or culture. The Strega trad direct their prayers to the Roman gods and was founded in the 20th century, and set forth to establish pagans in the eyes of a modern era as respectable members of society.
turingprinciple: "I foresee that a day will come, and that perhaps not so very far distant, that the world of scholars will be amazed to consider to what a late period and immense body of antique tradition survived in northern Italy, and how indifferent the learned were regarding it . . ."


That quote is Charles Godfrey Leland, 1899.
(source: http://www.stregheria.com/)
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 		the last is a quote from charles godfrey leland

http://www.stregheria.com/
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Varin wrote:
the last is a quote from charles godfrey leland

http://www.stregheria.com/


notice in the top left is the grove of diana!?!!
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 		Heh, I just edited my post the same time you posted, Varin. Ummm.... well, we both get credit for it then. :p
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Varin wrote:
the last is a quote from charles godfrey leland

http://www.stregheria.com/


Once again, this was too easy.

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LazarusLong567: who is Charles Godfrey Leland?
TuringPrinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge node pathway - magick
TuringPrinciple: Charles Godfrey Leland was the founder and first president of the Gypsy Lore Society, and was a prolific author and folklorist. He is best known, in this day and age, as being the author of: Aradia or the Gospel Of The Witches. * end of this pathway *


And we've reached the end of this pathway, and what have we learned?
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charles godfrey leland was a specialist in comparative religions and President of the Gypsy-Lore Society
[20:11] turingprinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge node pathway - magick
[20:11] turingprinciple: Charles Godfrey Leland was the founder and first president of the Gypsy Lore Society, and was a prolific author and folklorist. He is best known, in this day and age, as being the author of: Aradia or the Gospel Of The Witches. * end of this pathway *

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 		New keyword: Charles Godfrey Leland

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turingprinciple: keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge node pathway - magick
turingprinciple: Charles Godfrey Leland was the founder and first president of the Gypsy Lore Society, and was a prolific author and folklorist. He is best known, in this day and age, as being the author of: Aradia or the Gospel Of The Witches. * end of this pathway *

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 		In case anyone is interested here is the site where I found the keyword this afternoon:

Magick was referred to by Crowley as "The Yoga of the West"
http://www.lawbright.com/logdos/magick.html

~cem

EDIT***I didn't know it was the keyword until I got home tonight to try it though (I waited for about 4 hrs this afternoon for her but she was a no-show before I had to go out)

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 		I'm not sure, but I think someone else got this phrase in chat with TP, but I couldn't find the reference in the logs.


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TuringPrinciple: Quantum computation and consciousness generation.
LazarusLong567: what is quantum computation?
Turing Principle: Current von Neumann-type computers are implemented based on Turing machines introduced by Alan Turing in 1936. Since Turing machine is a very simple and stable model of computation, it is used as a standard model in recursive function theory and computational complexity theory. Many results in complexity theory, however, suggests that deterministic Turing machines cannot efficiently solve hard combinatorial problems, such as NP-complete problems. In 1985, David Deutsch introduced quantum Turing machines (QTMs for short) as Turing machines which can perform so called quantum parallel computations. Then, in 1994, Peter Shor showed that QTM can factor integers with arbitrary small error probability in polynomial time. Since it is widely believed that any deterministic Turing machine cannot factor integers in polynomial time, it is very likely that QTM is an essentially new model of computation.
LazarusLong567: what is consciousness generation?
TuringPrinciple: Post-quantum theory has "signal-nonlocality" with strong "backward causation". This is necessary for all life which has some complexity dependent rate of consciousness generation given by my post-quantum formula connecting cosmology to brain biology and psychology.


The first quote is by Prof. Tetsuro Nishino, and may be found here: http://www.tnlab.ice.uec.ac.jp/member/quantum.html

The second quote is from a paper by Dr. Jacob Sarfatti, which may be found here:http://www.qedcorp.com/pdf/PQM1.pdf

Interestingly enough, when I asked TP a second time about "quantum computation, I got this:

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LazarusLong567: what is quantum computation?
TuringPrinciple: Hmmmm
TuringPrinciple: http://isis.hampshire.edu/quantum/[/url]


That website is the ISIS Quantum Computation & Teleportation Project.
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 		Shocked Well I guess this is about where I go wash my hair or something. Shocked

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 		Cem, weren't you looking for references to the "Watchers". TP gave us a reference at the Stregheria site. (You can't copy and paste Crying or Very sad So I'm quoting the parts I think are important)

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THE WATCHERS

In Italian Witchcraft the beings known as the Grigori (Watchers) are an integral aspect of the belief system. Over the course of many centuries the initiates of Italian Witchcraft have developed various signs and gestures that are recognized by the Grigori and indicate the presence of a trained witch of the Old Religion. This intimate relationship between Grigori display of prescribed signs and gestures at the appropriate quarter grants passage by the Grigori and allows the initiate to gain access to the portals that lead dirctly into the Otherworld realms...

In the early Stellar Cults of Mesopotamia there were four "royal" stars called the Watchers. Each one of the these stars "ruled" over one of the four cardinal points common to Astrology. This particular system would date from approximately 3000 B.C. The Star Aldebaran, when it marked the Vernal Equinox, held the position of Watcher of the East. Regulus, marking the Summer Solstice, was Watcher of the South. Antares, marking the Autumn Equinox, was Watcher of the West. Fomalhaur, marking the Winter Solstice, was Watcher of the North.

In Charles Leland's bood Aradia he recount the tale of "The Children of Diana, of how fairies were born," in which it is stated that Diana created "the great spirits of the stars." In this book we also find a reference to an elder race: "...Then Diana went to the Fathers of the Beginning, to the Mothers, the Spirits who were before the first spirit, and lamented unto them that she could not prevail with Dianus. And they praised her for her courage, they told her that to rise she must fall, to become the chief of goddesses she must become a mortal."

THREE DEGRESS OF INITIATION
Italian Masonic group known as the Carbonari (circa 1820) had three degrees of initiation marked by colored cords or ribbons: blue, red and black. A triangle marked the first degree level. The Carbonari claimed to have been based upon the Mystery Cult of Mithra.

Source: A History of Secret Societies by Arkon Daraul, Citadel Prss 1961.

STRUCTURE OF THE CIRCLE RITUAL
It is intersting to note that in the Essay on the Mysteries of Eleusis, by M. Ouvaroff, we find passages from the ancient philosopher Porphyty who reveals that the symbols of the Greek and Roman Eleusinian Mysteries included the circle, triangle and cone which are all aspects of Wiccan rites.

Source: The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly Hall, Philosophical Reserach Society 1962

THE NORTHERN ORIENTATION OF RITUAL
The Etruscans who occupied central Italy (from whom the Romans borrowed heavily) placed their deities into quarter associations. To the north was the chief god Tinia (and his consort Uni) who was king of the gods. The north was divided up into four sections which spanned from the north to the east quarter. In the east (the furthest extentsion of the northeast placement) dwelled the twelve major gods and goddesses of Etruscan relision. In the south were placed the lesser gods and nature spirits. In the west were placed the deities of Death and the Underworld. In this Etruscan view of the Cosmos we have the earliest account of Italic beliefs associated with the four quarters.

Source: Roman and European Mythologies complied by Yves Bonnefoy, University of Chicago Press 1992.


There is some more info that someone else may find useful.

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http://www.stregheria.com/watchers.htm

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