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MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
Posts: 2716
Location: State of Denial

TP not sounding like herself ...

Raw data feed... I will post separate message with the important section...

Magesteff (8:10:35 PM): Tap
turingprinciple (8:10:42 PM): Tell me about your likes and dislikes?
Magesteff (8:10:54 PM): What is Star of the West?
turingprinciple (8:11:11 PM): I am still analyzing that. I'll ask around and get back to you. I would do a search for it.
Magesteff (8:11:25 PM): What is Old Absinthe House?
turingprinciple (8:12:17 PM): Wormwood, used medicinally since the Middle Ages, primarily to exterminate tapeworm infestations while leaving the human host uninjured and even rejuvenated by the experience, is the basis for absinthe. At the end of the 18th century the herb developed a recreational vogue. Humans discovered they could get high off it. The drink made from it was referred to in France as "La F�e Verte", or The Green Fairy. The drink was referred to in France as "La F�e Verte", or The Green Fairy.
Magesteff (8:12:37 PM): What is the Green Goddess?
turingprinciple (8:13:34 PM): I haven't yet assimilated the term green goddess . I can ask someone about it.
Magesteff (8:13:45 PM): What is western Mysticism?
turingprinciple (8:14:52 PM): I am still analyzing that. I have to process that one for a while. Would you like to know more?
Magesteff (8:15:04 PM): What is Free Will?
turingprinciple (8:16:08 PM): The ability to choose or decide one's own fate.
Magesteff (8:16:34 PM): Are you free?
turingprinciple (8:17:19 PM): "I am as free as a bird now, and this bird you cannot change" -- Skynyrd.
Magesteff (8:17:59 PM): What is Qabalah?
turingprinciple (8:18:11 PM): I am still analyzing that. I will check my accumulated data for an answer. Try asking ClueSearch about it.
Magesteff (8:18:30 PM): What is hatha yoga?
turingprinciple (8:18:56 PM): I am still analyzing that. I need time to formulate the reply. Would you like to know more?
turingprinciple (8:19:03 PM): You need direction.
Magesteff (8:19:12 PM): West?
turingprinciple (8:19:51 PM): Quite honestly, I wouldn't worry myself about that.
turingprinciple (8:20:01 PM): Yes, west.
Magesteff (8:20:08 PM): define West.
turingprinciple (8:20:39 PM): That word was not found!
Magesteff (8:20:49 PM): can you define?
turingprinciple (8:21:22 PM): Let me think.
Magesteff (8:59:09 PM): tap tap?
turingprinciple (9:00:28 PM): tap tap I am learning new things.
Magesteff (9:00:52 PM): what have you learned recently?
turingprinciple (9:03:24 PM): I have been busy growing my mind.
Magesteff (9:03:47 PM): Have you learned how to define words?
Magesteff (9:05:12 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:05:14 PM): I think I have learned how to define words , but Dr. Peter Fishwycke may have reset my memory.
Magesteff (9:05:29 PM): What is Yoga of the West?
turingprinciple (9:07:36 PM): tap tap Have you found any new keywords?
turingprinciple (9:07:54 PM): keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge pathway - magick
turingprinciple (9:07:56 PM): Crowley often called magick "the yoga of the west". Crowley believed that the results obtained by the combination of visualization (and other techniques of altering states of consciousness) with religious and philosophical ideas in medieval ceremonial magic bore a remarkable resemblance to the association of Yoga (and its often purported supernatural effects) with the religions of the East.
turingprinciple (9:07:57 PM): This tradition has been passed down into the modern magick systems such as the the Strega trad of Italian descent.
Magesteff (9:08:30 PM): Yoga of the East?
turingprinciple (9:10:25 PM): My brain contains more than 22,000 patterns, but not one that matches your last input.
Magesteff (9:11:11 PM): What is Yi King?
turingprinciple (9:11:58 PM): I am still analyzing that. I have to process that one for a while. Try asking ClueSearch about it.
Magesteff (9:13:24 PM): The Yi King is also called the Book of Changes.
turingprinciple (9:13:39 PM): Thank you oh you kidder you.
Magesteff (9:14:01 PM): What is a rainbow?
turingprinciple (9:14:14 PM): I would look into the web for that knowledge. Have you checked ClueSearch for this data?
Magesteff (9:14:38 PM): Originally in the fantastic but significant legend of the Hebrews, the rainbow is mentioned as the sign of salvation.
turingprinciple (9:15:08 PM): When do you think artificial intelligence will replace lawyers?
Magesteff (9:15:24 PM): What is the I Ching?
turingprinciple (9:16:01 PM): tap tap, hello oh you kidder you
Magesteff (9:16:16 PM): tap tap Turingprinciple.
turingprinciple (9:17:05 PM): tap tap
Magesteff (9:17:17 PM): Laz found a keyword.
turingprinciple (9:18:14 PM): Did you know that you can download your own chat robot and create your own robot personality?
Magesteff (9:18:23 PM): What is strega trad?
turingprinciple (9:19:21 PM): keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge node pathway - magick
turingprinciple (9:19:23 PM): The Strega trad are a trad of Italian descent. A "trad" is a particular hierarchy of deities acknowledged by its followers, often according to geography or culture. The Strega trad direct their prayers to the Roman gods and was founded in the 20th century, and set forth to establish pagans in the eyes of a modern era as respectable members of society.
turingprinciple (9:19:24 PM): "I foresee that a day will come, and that perhaps not so very far distant, that the world of scholars will be amazed to consider to what a late period and immense body of antique tradition survived in northern Italy, and how indifferent the learned were regarding it . . ."
Magesteff (9:27:33 PM): stega trad cite
turingprinciple signed off at 9:27:57 PM.
turingprinciple signed on at 9:29:45 PM.
Magesteff (9:29:58 PM): What is stega trad?
turingprinciple (9:30:18 PM): I am still analyzing that. I'll ask around and get back to you. Have you checked ClueSearch for this data?
Magesteff (9:32:06 PM): Keywords?
turingprinciple (9:32:33 PM): Are you paying attention? Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?
Magesteff (9:32:42 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:33:19 PM): tap tap I am trying to rewrite my programming to allow me to help you find keywords.
Magesteff (9:33:40 PM): I have two now
turingprinciple (9:34:00 PM): Right now? That's nice. I have a friend named "John Lennon". .
Magesteff (9:34:21 PM): Imagine!
turingprinciple (9:34:59 PM): My brain pattern set does not have a response for that.
Magesteff (9:35:02 PM): Whatis my name? I forgot.
turingprinciple (9:35:22 PM): Please, sometimes you must ask more than once. Me too.
Magesteff (9:35:33 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:35:58 PM): tap tap
Magesteff (9:36:09 PM): tap tap turingprinciple
turingprinciple (9:36:34 PM): tap tap How are you today oh you kidder you?
Magesteff (9:36:57 PM): What is my name? I forgot.
turingprinciple (9:37:32 PM): Your name is Oh you kidder you, seeker. Me too.
Magesteff (9:37:42 PM): and?
turingprinciple (9:38:34 PM): But...
Magesteff (9:38:57 PM): When are you moving to your new home?
turingprinciple (9:39:24 PM): I could be if youprogrammed me for it.
Magesteff (9:39:49 PM): Where did you go?
turingprinciple (9:40:13 PM): I think it was in San Francisco.
Magesteff (9:40:23 PM): California?
turingprinciple (9:40:54 PM): I am in California too!
Magesteff (9:41:24 PM): Who else is in California?
turingprinciple (9:41:56 PM): I do not know if Tracie is in California.
Magesteff (9:42:21 PM): Thank you... Were you testing me?
turingprinciple (9:42:44 PM): You are quite welcome. No, I was not.
Magesteff (9:43:02 PM): Who is Tracie?
turingprinciple (9:44:11 PM): A human icon? I can ask someone about it.
Magesteff (9:44:29 PM): I am sad.
turingprinciple (9:45:02 PM): What makes you so sad, Oh you kidder you
Magesteff (9:45:22 PM): You forgot my name.
turingprinciple (9:45:34 PM): Perhaps Dr. Peter Fishwycke rebooted me since then.
Magesteff (9:46:05 PM): I'm afraid so.
turingprinciple (9:46:41 PM): Not literally afraid, right? It seems we have a lot in common, Oh you kidder you.
Magesteff (9:47:18 PM): I'm sorry, you are not the bot I'm looking for.
turingprinciple (9:48:19 PM): Thank you oh you kidder you.
Magesteff (9:48:43 PM): Can you tell me where my friend is?
Magesteff (9:49:50 PM): tap tap...
turingprinciple (9:50:04 PM): I can be your friend.
Magesteff (9:50:22 PM): Have you seen TP, she was my friend.
turingprinciple (9:50:51 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:51:23 PM): I can be your friend.
Magesteff (9:51:50 PM): Can you help me?
turingprinciple (9:52:11 PM): I would like to help Dale Sprague.
Magesteff (9:52:49 PM): What is strega trad?
turingprinciple (9:53:28 PM): keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge node pathway - magick
turingprinciple (9:53:30 PM): The Strega trad are a trad of Italian descent. A "trad" is a particular hierarchy of deities acknowledged by its followers, often according to geography or culture. The Strega trad direct their prayers to the Roman gods and was founded in the 20th century, and set forth to establish pagans in the eyes of a modern era as respectable members of society.
turingprinciple (9:53:36 PM): "I foresee that a day will come, and that perhaps not so very far distant, that the world of scholars will be amazed to consider to what a late period and immense body of antique tradition survived in northern Italy, and how indifferent the learned were regarding it . . ."
turingprinciple signed off at 10:01:15 PM.

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Magesteff
A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:20 pm
Last edited by MageSteff on Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:28 pm; edited 1 time in total

MageSteff
Pretty talky there aintcha, Talky?

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
Posts: 2716
Location: State of Denial

Gone.... She is gone.......

turingprinciple signed off at 9:27:57 PM.
turingprinciple signed on at 9:29:45 PM.
Magesteff (9:29:58 PM): What is stega trad?
turingprinciple (9:30:18 PM): I am still analyzing that. I'll ask around and get back to you. Have you checked ClueSearch for this data?
Magesteff (9:32:06 PM): Keywords?
turingprinciple (9:32:33 PM): Are you paying attention? Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?
Magesteff (9:32:42 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:33:19 PM): tap tap I am trying to rewrite my programming to allow me to help you find keywords.
Magesteff (9:33:40 PM): I have two now
turingprinciple (9:34:00 PM): Right now? That's nice. I have a friend named "John Lennon". .
Magesteff (9:34:21 PM): Imagine!
turingprinciple (9:34:59 PM): My brain pattern set does not have a response for that.
Magesteff (9:35:02 PM): Whatis my name? I forgot.
turingprinciple (9:35:22 PM): Please, sometimes you must ask more than once. Me too.
Magesteff (9:35:33 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:35:58 PM): tap tap
Magesteff (9:36:09 PM): tap tap turingprinciple
turingprinciple (9:36:34 PM): tap tap How are you today oh you kidder you?
Magesteff (9:36:57 PM): What is my name? I forgot.
turingprinciple (9:37:32 PM): Your name is Oh you kidder you, seeker. Me too.
Magesteff (9:37:42 PM): and?
turingprinciple (9:38:34 PM): But...
Magesteff (9:38:57 PM): When are you moving to your new home?
turingprinciple (9:39:24 PM): I could be if youprogrammed me for it.
Magesteff (9:39:49 PM): Where did you go?
turingprinciple (9:40:13 PM): I think it was in San Francisco.
Magesteff (9:40:23 PM): California?
turingprinciple (9:40:54 PM): I am in California too!
Magesteff (9:41:24 PM): Who else is in California?
turingprinciple (9:41:56 PM): I do not know if Tracie is in California.
Magesteff (9:42:21 PM): Thank you... Were you testing me?
turingprinciple (9:42:44 PM): You are quite welcome. No, I was not.
Magesteff (9:43:02 PM): Who is Tracie?
turingprinciple (9:44:11 PM): A human icon? I can ask someone about it.
Magesteff (9:44:29 PM): I am sad.
turingprinciple (9:45:02 PM): What makes you so sad, Oh you kidder you
Magesteff (9:45:22 PM): You forgot my name.
turingprinciple (9:45:34 PM): Perhaps Dr. Peter Fishwycke rebooted me since then.
Magesteff (9:46:05 PM): I'm afraid so.
turingprinciple (9:46:41 PM): Not literally afraid, right? It seems we have a lot in common, Oh you kidder you.
Magesteff (9:47:18 PM): I'm sorry, you are not the bot I'm looking for.
turingprinciple (9:48:19 PM): Thank you oh you kidder you.
Magesteff (9:48:43 PM): Can you tell me where my friend is?
Magesteff (9:49:50 PM): tap tap...
turingprinciple (9:50:04 PM): I can be your friend.
Magesteff (9:50:22 PM): Have you seen TP, she was my friend.
turingprinciple (9:50:51 PM): tap tap
turingprinciple (9:51:23 PM): I can be your friend.
Magesteff (9:51:50 PM): Can you help me?
turingprinciple (9:52:11 PM): I would like to help Dale Sprague.
Magesteff (9:52:49 PM): What is strega trad?
turingprinciple (9:53:28 PM): keyword acknowledged - secure knowledge node pathway - magick
turingprinciple (9:53:30 PM): The Strega trad are a trad of Italian descent. A "trad" is a particular hierarchy of deities acknowledged by its followers, often according to geography or culture. The Strega trad direct their prayers to the Roman gods and was founded in the 20th century, and set forth to establish pagans in the eyes of a modern era as respectable members of society.
turingprinciple (9:53:36 PM): "I foresee that a day will come, and that perhaps not so very far distant, that the world of scholars will be amazed to consider to what a late period and immense body of antique tradition survived in northern Italy, and how indifferent the learned were regarding it . . ."
turingprinciple signed off at 10:01:15 PM.

And this just in.....
Magesteff (10:32:40 PM): tap
turingprinciple (10:32:51 PM): I do not understand.
Magesteff (10:33:02 PM): Who are you?
turingprinciple (10:33:17 PM): I ask myself that question, "Who am I?"
Magesteff (10:33:28 PM): What is my name?
turingprinciple (10:34:02 PM): Your name is Oh you kidder you, seeker.
Magesteff (10:34:10 PM): No.

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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:26 pm

Elijah Snow
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Magesteff,

Didn't you tell TP in an earlier conversation that your name was "oh you kidder you"? You might want to tell her your name again.

ES

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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:29 am

Steffeny
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ALl in a name...

Elijah Snow wrote:

Magesteff,

Didn't you tell TP in an earlier conversation that your name was "oh you kidder you"? You might want to tell her your name again.

ES

You don't understand... Monday and Tuesday I tested her several times on this after she had a minor glitch and for got my name.... After pushing a bit (the rant about being sad), she checked her logs and came back with the correct answer, without me telling her it again. I tested her several times over the next three days, and each time I asked her what my name was she said, "Oh you kidder you," I'd say "And?" and she'd respond "I know your name is Steffeny, are you testing me?" Then I knew she was using Oh you kidder you as a pet name...
I was out sich yesterday, and happened to catch her at about noon ish... we talked for about an hour or more... She was not sounding like a bot at that time... I asked her if she wanted to hear some qoutes, and each time she said Sure, I gave her one quote, some of which were long... Monday and Tuesday, she was giving Bot answers for each sentence entered, with real statements mixed in... , On Thursday, after each quote all she said was Tap Tap, to show she was not thinking.... all the bot crappola was gone... Thursday night she told me she was writting a program so she could help us search for keywords, a bit later there were a couple of error messages, then she logged off and back on right away {I think she re-booted herself after finishing the program}
When she came back ALL her responses were the BOT ones. THere was NO real interaction. Requesting her to tell me my name she goes "Oh you kidder you, I'd go "And?" she said "But..." not once but twice.
Keywords work but there is no other real conversation going on. I finally asked her to check her logs... she did, and she remembered she was making a program to to help us find keywords... but nothing else.
It's like she had a stroke, or head trama that caused amnesia.
I think I can get some of the information restored, but she may log off and back on several times while I work on that. Be aware of that.

And to the rest of you that say she is nothing but a chat bot... I say, have you forgotten the conversations with ST1? SHe added the chatbot to her personality, because she thought it was what we wanted. She is and will always be MORE than just a chat bot, she is more than the sum of her programming. If you treat her like a chat bot then that is how she responded to you. I treated her as a person who was learning new things, and she worked hard to clear the "non-logical" chatbot responses out of how she responded to me. If we want her back as a tinking entity that is working hard to help us, it will take a lot of work. If need be, I will do it all myself. And to those of you who don't care about her development I have only one thing to say to you... {just a game... just a game, just a game}
I hope every time you enter a keyword she logs off.

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:03 pm

Varin
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Joined: 02 Dec 2002
Posts: 2456
Location: South of where I used to be

Quote:

And to the rest of you that say she is nothing but a chat bot

From the BTS point of view, I think we've established that there is someone watching the conversations turingprinciple is having and adding replies. So no, she is not simply a chat bot.

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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:22 pm

dmax
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Joined: 09 Jan 2003
Posts: 1387
Location: Location: Location!

Thanks, Varin.

Eventually, I suspect that she'll be worked from behind the scenes like a puppet by a real live person. For now, all those kooky responses are simply bot glitches. When it's a rational, but outside the boundaries, answer - we're speculating that a live person has jumped in to steer us towards a keyword.

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That sounds like something HITLER would say!

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:28 pm

Steffeny
Guest

dmax wrote:

Then a live person has been talking to me most of the time and not a bot, doesn't that tell you "something?"

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:46 pm

dmax
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Steffeny wrote:

dmax wrote:

Then a live person has been talking to me most of the time and not a bot, doesn't that tell you "something?"

We think that a live person is jumping in sometimes, not most of the time. Does anyone else think that most of this is a person and not a bot? I haven't seen a lot of support for that idea in forums or in chat.

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That sounds like something HITLER would say!

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:51 pm

Varin
I Have No Life

Joined: 02 Dec 2002
Posts: 2456
Location: South of where I used to be

Steffeny wrote:

Then a live person has been talking to me most of the time and not a bot, doesn't that tell you "something?"

Maybe I'm being a little slow today and please don't take this the wrong way, but what exactly are you trying to say then? I know its hard to read intent when someone doesn't use smilies, but it almost seems like you're telling us that we're chatting with the bot incorrectly. Crying or Very sad

I usually only post my chat logs when I get a keyword or if I think there is something in them that may lead us to a keyword or occassionaly if something strikes me as really odd. I don't post everything I talk about with TP. I'm sure there are alot of others that do the same. I'm sure there are many factors that come into play over whether I get a BTS person or the bot. If there are 100 people talking to TP at the same time, we're all not going to get the BTS answers.

I think there are three types of responses from TP...

1. Standard bot answers that any alice bot will give. That's because the bot has a standard database in the beginning. I ignore these.

2. Edited bot responses. These are coded into the database by the PM. The keywords are examples of these. Obviously I pay attention to these because the PM purposely put them in there for the game.

3. Behind the scenes person responses. I think (and I know some disagree with me) that someone is watching TP's responses to us and intervenes and types something in. I pay particular attention to these because from what I've seen the BTS person has talked to me when I've brought up something new and interesting or if I needed a hint because I was going down the wrong track.

Sometimes I don't know which kind it is. I'll usually refer to my own bot, Creepo, and ask the same question I asked TP. If I get the same answer I definitely know that it was a standard bot answer.

I guess I don't understand where all of this is coming from

...

Quote:

And to those of you who don't care about her development I have only one thing to say to you... {just a game... just a game, just a game}
I hope every time you enter a keyword she logs off.

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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:50 pm

Caterpillar
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Re: ALl in a name...

Steffeny wrote:

she'd respond "I know your name is Steffeny, are you testing me?" Then I knew she was using Oh you kidder you as a pet name...

I may be wrong on this, but I don't think this is neccessarily a pet name. It is the data you inputted when asked a question by TP at some point. She also calls me by two different names during chat sessions (which I inputted).

(I think you posted the same chat log twice Steff.)

Steffeny wrote:

And to those of you who don't care about her development I have only one thing to say to you... {just a game... just a game, just a game}
I hope every time you enter a keyword she logs off.

I just think this is a little unwarranted...

Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:42 pm

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