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 		References to The Nine
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turingprinciple: The nine? Current analysis shows "the nine" may refer to nine individuals, who may have mystical or extraordinary significance. Whether they are all contemporary to our current temporal reference is unclear.


This may possibly mean that the members have changed over time.

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turingprinciple: There are instances of famous historical figures being labelled as part of "the nine".


It seems to me that they are then not "otherwordly" in the same sense that The Watchers may be.

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turingprinciple: I have found correlation between Trithemius and "the nine".
turingprinciple: I have been told Don Marzano may be one of the current "nine". Other oblique references to "the nine" and humans from the past include Nikola Tesla, George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff, and many others.


Again, reference to something possibly "of this earth". (That's not to negate "ascension", or any of the other "higher plane" stuff I don't understand:)

This is very long, so please bear with me.
Note: There are references to the Illuminati among the stuff I've looked at concerning the following.
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THE NINE UNKNOWN MEN
This [legend] goes back to the time of the Emperor Asoka, who
reigned in India from 273 B.C.

[snip]

At the sight of this massacre Asoka was overcome. Forever after
he experienced a horror of war. He renounced the idea of trying
to integrate the rebellious people, declaring that the only true
conquest was to win men's hearts by observance of the laws of duty
and piety, because the Sacred Majesty desired that all living
creatures should enjoy security, peace and happiness and be free
to live as they pleased.

It is said that the Emperor Asoka, aware of the horrors of war,
wished to forbid men ever to put their intelligence to evil uses.
During his reign natural science, past and present, was vowed to
secrecy. Henceforward, and for the next 2,000 years, all
researches, ranging from the structure of matter to the techniques
employed in collective psychology, were to be hidden behind the
mystical mask of a people commonly believed to be exclusively
concerned with ectasy and supernatural phenomena. Asoka founded
the most powerful secret society on earth: that of the Nine
Unknown Men.

It is still thought that the great men responsible fro the destiny
of modern India, and scientists like Bose and Ram believe in the
existence of the Nine, and even receive advice and messages from
them.

One can imagine the extraordinary importance of secret knowledge
in the hands of nine men benefiting directly from experiments,
studies and documents accumulated over a period of more than
2,000 years. What can have been the aim of these men? Not to
allow methods of destruction to fall into the hands of unqualified
persons and to pursue knowledge which would benefit mankind.
Their numbers would be renewed by co-option, so as to preserve the
secrecy of techniques handed down from ancient times.

Examples of the Nine Unknown Men making contact with the outer
world are rare. There was, however, the extraordinary case of one
of the most mysterious figures in Western history: the Pope
Sylvester II, known also by the name of Gerbert d'Aurillac. Born
in the Auvergne in 920 (d. 1003) Gerbert was a Benedictine monk,
professor at the University of Rheims, Archbishop of Ravenna and
Pope by the grace of Ortho III. He is supposed to have spent some
time in Spain, after which a mysterious voyage brought him to
India where he is reputed to have aquired various kinds of skills
which stupified his entourage. For example, he possessed in his
palace a bronze head which answered YES or NO to questions put to
it on politics or the general position of Christianity. According
to Sylvester II this was a perfectly simple operation
corresponding to a two-figure calculation, and was performed by an
automaton similar to our modern binary machines. This "magic"
head was destroyed when Sylvester died, and all the information it
imparted carefully concealed. No doubt an authorized research
worker would come across some interesting things in the Vatican
Library.

[snip]

Had other Europeans any contact with the society of the Nine
Unknown Men? It was not until the nineteenth century that this
mystery was referred to again in the works of the French writer
Jacolliot.

Jacolliot was French Consul at Calcutta under the Second Empire.
He wrote some quite important prophetic works, comparable, if not
superior to those of Jules Verne. He also left several books
dealing with the great secrets of the human race. A great many
occult writers, prophets and miracle-workers have borrowed from
his writings which, completely neglected in France, are well known
in Russia.

Jacolliot states catagorically that the Soceity of Nine did
actually exist. And, to make it all the more intriguing, he
refers in the this connection to certain techniques, unimaginable
in 1860, such as, for example, the liberation of energy,
sterilization by radiation and psychological warfare.

[snip]

The story of the Nine Unknown Men was popularized for the first
time in 1927 in a book by Talbot Mundy who for twenty-five years
was a member of the British police force in India. His book is
half-fiction, half scientific inquiry. The Nine apparently
employed a synthetic language, and each of them was in possession
of a book that was constantly being rewritten and containing a
detailed account of some science.

The first of these books is said to have been devoted to the
technique of propaganda and psychological warfare. "The most
dangerous of all sciences," wrote Mundy, "is that of moulding mass
opinion, because it would enable anyone to govern the whole
world."

It must be remembered that Korjybski's _General Semantics_ did not
appear until 1937 and that it was not until the West had the
experience of the last World War that the techniques of psychology
of language, i.e., propaganda, could be formulated. The first
American college of semantics only came into being in 1950. In
France almost the only book that at all well known is Serge
Tchocotine's _Le Viol des Foules_ which has had a considerable
influence in intellectual polical circles, although it deals only
superficially with the subject.

The second book was on physiology. It explained, among other
things, how it is possible to kill a man by touching him, death
being caused by a reversal of the nerve-impulse. It is said that
Judo is a result of "leakages" from this book.

The third volume was a study on microbiology, and dealt especially
with protective colloids.

The fourth was concerned with the transmutation of metals. There
is a legend that in times of drought temples and religious relief
organizations received large quanities of fine gold from a secret
source.

The fifth volume contains a study of all means of communication,
terrestial and extra-terrestial.

The sixth expounds the secrets of gravitation.

The seventh contains the most exhaustive cosmogony known to
humanity.

The eighth deals with light.

The ninth volume, on sociology, gives the rules for the evolution
of societies, and means of foretelling their decline.

[snip]

Avoiding all forms of religious, social or political agitations,
deliberately and perfectly concealed from the public eye, the Nine
were the incarnation of the ideal man of science, serenely aloof,
but conscious of his moral obligations. Having the power to mold
the destiny of the human race, but refraining from its exercise,
this secret society is the finest tribute imaginable to freedom of
the most exalted kind. Looking down from the watch-tower of their
hidden glory, these Nine Unknown Men watched civilizations being
born, destroyed and re-born again, tolerant rather than
indifferent, and ready to come to the rescue -- but always
observing that rule of silence that is the mark of human
greatness.

Myth or reality? A magnificent myth, in any case, and one that
has issued from the depths of time.


This is another reference albeit a little more "extra-terrestrial" and has to do with channelling.
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Dr. Puharich was the main promoter of an elite nondualist secret society based on the Council of Nine -- a higher dimensional ennead that are considered to be aspects of the Nondual God and to be sources of higher intelligence. This Council of Nine is traced back to ancient India and ancient Egypt (see Prince and Picknett's "The Stargate Conspiracy" and Jacque Bergier's "Morning of the Magicians"). Central to the Council of Nine's secret knowledge is the connection between music theory, geometry, algebra and higher dimensional reality. As documented in "The Stargate Conspiracy," many prominent policy makers and society elite have been part of the promotion of the secret Council of Nine, including Gene Rodenberry, Al Gore, and Senator Clairborne Pell.

http://www.nonduality.com/hempel.htm
There's actually a lot out there on this but (???).

And then there's the Emerald Tablet (snippets)
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Once in a time long forgotten,
I THOTH, opened the doorway,
penetrated into other spaces
and learned of the secrets concealed.
Deep in the essence of matter
are many mysteries concealed.

Nine are the interlocked dimensions,
and Nine are the cycles of space.
Nine are the diffusions of consciousness,
and Nine are the worlds within worlds.
Aye, Nine are the Lords of the cycles
that come from above and below.

Down, to the HOLES of AMENTI
I journeyed, the greater knowledge to seek.
Ask of thee, LORDS of the CYCLES,
they way to the wisdom I sought.
Asked the LORDS this question:
Where is the source of ALL?
Answered, in tones that were mighty,
the voice of the LORD of the NINE:
Free thou thy soul from thy body
and come forth with me to the LIGHT

Back I came to my body
stood again with the Nine,
listened to the voice of the Cycles,
vibrate with powers they spoke:
Know ye, O Thoth, that LIFE
is but thee WORD of the FIRE.
The LIFE forth ye seek before thee
is butthe WORD in the World as a fire.
Seek ye the path to the WORD and Powers
shall surely be thine.

Then asked I of the Nine:
O Lord, show me the path.
Give the path to the wisdom.
Show me the way to the WORD.
Answered, me then,
the LORD OF THE NINE:
Through ORDER, ye shall find the way.
Saw ye that the WORD came from Chaos?
Saw ye not that LIGHT came from FIRE?


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 		Cem, this is outstanding research! Very Happy I had entirely forgotten about my obsession with the Nine Unknowns – it was like, um, 30 years ago that I read everything I could find about them.

Another candidate for being one of the Nine was Saint Germaine.
http://www.crystalinks.com/stgermain.html

Yet another was Apollonius of Tyana
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/apollonius_of_tyana.html

The text on this page says, "Apollonius' death is a mystery. According to some he fell out of favor with Emperor Severu, who put him on trial and had his hair cut off to eliminate his magical powers. Apollonius simply disappeared from the courtroom never to be seen again."

I can't find it online but I remember reading that when he was found guilty he said something like, "You can may kill my body but you can never kill my spirit." Then he added, "No, come to think of it, you can't kill my body either." And disappeared! Shocked

Again, I can't find it online anywhere but I remember reading an essay by Gurdjieff, I believe, in which he stated that one of the Nine is unaware of his/her status. This person lives an ordinary life and doesn't know that their activities have far-reaching consequences. This might be Dale, huh? Very Happy

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 		The Lords of the Nine from the Emerald Tablets are not actually Nine, I think. I did a lot of reserach on that a few weeks ago, but I might be missing something.


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Seated within the flower of radiance sit seven Lords from the Space-Time above us, helping and guiding through infinite Wisdom, the pathway through time of the children of men. Mighty and strange, they, veiled with their power, silent, all-knowing, drawing the Life force, different yet one with the children of men. Aye, different, and yet one with the Children of Light.

Custodians and watchers of the force of man's bondage, ready to loose when the light has been reached. First and most mighty, sits the Veiled Presence, Lord of Lords, the infinite Nine, over the others from each Cosmic cycle, weighing and watching the progress of men.

Under HE, sit the Lords of the Cycles; Three, Four, Five, and Six, Seven, Eight, each with his mission, each with his power, guiding, directing the destiny of man. There are only six listed here. There sit they, mighty and potent, free of all time and space. Not of this world they, yet akin to it, Elder Brothers they, of the children of men. Judging and weighing, they with their wisdom, watching the progress Light among men.

There before them was I led by the Dweller, watched him blend with ONE from above. Then from HE came forth a voice saying: "Great art thou, Thoth, among children of men. Free henceforth of the Halls of Amenti, Master of Life among children of men. Taste not of death except as thou will it, drink thou of Life to Eternity's end... snip

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http://www.chapeltibet.cnchost.com/ct/Tablet2.html



Before the Lords of hidden Amenti learned I the wisdom I give unto men. Masters are they of the great Secret Wisdom, brought from the future of infinity's end. Seven are they, the Lords of Amenti, overlords they of the Children of Morning, Suns of the Cycles, Masters of Wisdom. Formed are not they as the children of men? Three, Four, Five and Six, Seven, Eight, Nine are the titles of the Masters of men.

Far from the future, formless yet forming, came they as teachers for the children of men. Live they forever, yet not of the living, bound not to life and yet free from death. Rule they forever with infinite wisdom, bound yet not bound to the dark Halls of Death. Life they have in them, yet life that is not life, free from all are the Lords of the ALL.

Forth from them came forth the Logos, instruments they of the power o'er all. Vast is their countenance, yet hidden in smallness, formed by a forming, known yet unknown.

Three holds the key of all hidden magic, creator he of the Halls of the Dead; sending forth power, shrouding with darkness, binding the souls of the children of men; sending the darkness, binding the soul force; director of negative to the children of men.

Four is he who looses the power. Lord, he, of Life to the children of men.

Light is his body, flame is his countenance; freer of souls to the children of men.

Five is the master, the Lord of all magic—Key to The Word that resounds among men.

Six is the Lord of Light, the hidden pathway, part of the souls of the children of men.

Seven is he who is Lord of the vastness, master of Space and the key of the Times.

Eight is he who orders the progress; weighs and balances the journey of men.

Nine is the father, vast he of countenance, forming and changing from out of the formless.

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http://www.chapeltibet.cnchost.com/ct/Tablet3.html


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Myssfitz wrote:
The Lords of the Nine from the Emerald Tablets are not actually Nine, I think. I did a lot of reserach on that a few weeks ago, but I might be missing something.



Try #9 & #11.......that's where I quoted from.
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald9.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald11.html

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