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SilentAvenger
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[SPEC/WONDERING] Perplex city's street and monument names If you look at the various maps we got of perplex city, you can see that they have named various things after many of our scientific great minds, such as Mobius, Shrodinger, and others.
Furthermore, the Whipsmart flavours are sometimes a play on sounds to make more names of great earth intellectuals.
I wonder, earth doesnt seem to be a big piece of PPC culture. They have some speciality shops for earth, but it isnt an integral part of their culture, and even on the Sentinel, some people called in fictious. So, Why did the perplexians name various important parts of their city after our great minds?
One option would be that they did it in order to honour them, but then again, because earth is not a big part of the culture, people in PPC wouldnt know who these people are!
I havent been able to come up with a good explanation. Any ideas welcome.
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:50 am
Sasuntsi Davit
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The names are familiar becuase they probably have had some of the same people as us in history, like einstein, avogadro, newton etc.
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:56 am
Buceph
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If it's because they share the same people in history then they would have come up in the academy at some point.
I think it's a tribute to those scientists who have bridged the gap between their world and our world. I also think that PPC has been watching us for longer than we appreciate.
This is pure [spec] and gut feeling but those are my impressions.
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:59 am
djrazz
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Re: [SPEC/WONDERING] Perplex city's street and monument name
SilentAvenger wrote:
If you look at the various maps we got of perplex city, you can see that they have named various things after many of our scientific great minds, such as Mobius, Shrodinger, and others.
ah Shrodinger a great name for a cat
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:07 am
vibration13
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It kind of doesnt make sense to me though. Don't they have any great minds of thier own? I'd have thought that an advanced city of puzzle solvers proud of their intellectual capabilities would be keen to celebrate their own greats.
It doesnt quite fit... maybe there's a puzzle in there somewhere...
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:18 am
hannah
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Re: [SPEC/WONDERING] Perplex city's street and monument name
SilentAvenger wrote:
Furthermore, the Whipsmart flavours are sometimes a play on sounds to make more names of great earth intellectuals.
like David Hasselhoff i wonder what they think of earth if they've seen baywatch
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:19 am
djrazz
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more likely if' it's not a puzzle it's just using commly know names to create a sense of knowing whats going on insted of having 2000 names noone ever heard of and then trying to figure out what umlout hamerstteiner
did as a perplexian scientist by using our names we create part of the story in our heads without and story at all
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:22 am
Salkunh
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maybe all our great scientists are actually perplexians.
The error logs already suggest the Academy sit and observe us and see us as a social experiment. Maybe they sent Perplexians over in order to force us to advance. "what effect does teaching them Newtonian physics have on the society" for example.
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:29 am
erekose
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ah Shrodinger a great name for a cat
But so unreliable, it dies on you if you so much as look at it the wrong way
I originally thought that we had not had divergent historys until about 1000 years ago, allowing famous people from our world to be influential in theirs .
Now new information indicates that they have been different from us at least since ancient greek times, and possibly much earlier. This, along with the fact that not a single identity from our world has been acredited with a discovery in theirs, makes it unlikely that the earth people mentioned in the game are also in their universe.(anyway, given PPC's isolationist stance, I doubt that Kofi Annan, the secretary-general of the UN would be worthy of an ice cream flavour).
currently, I don't have any idea why these names are so predominant, their are half-a-dozen explainations, but none of them seem even remotely satisfying . Maybe I should send an email to Violet, she seems to
be more interested in historical questions than Scarlett
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:29 am
dopefiend
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couple of specs on this:
1) the perplexian's interest in earth lit means they formed a lot of their philiosophical/scientific ideas around our discoveries... they read our books and adopted out theories, maybe developing them firther than we have
2) Perplex City was founded by an earthling/earthlings who either went back in time to set it up, or turned it into the city it is today by reorganising the street plan at some stage.[/sup]
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:37 am
theMoo
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If we take it that they don't have a recent shared history with us (recent = 500 or 1000 years) then they can't possibly share a language with us.
We know from the academy site that they have linguists who have learnt many of our languages so I think that all information provided to us is being translated into English so we can understand it.
Maybe they have used the names of the great scientists of our world in place of the names of those who made similar discoveries in their world?
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:33 pm
angelesque
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Maybe 'our' great scientists came from Perplex City??!
Apparently aliens have been here for years you know
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:33 pm
wintermute_au
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im thinking that maybe we dont share a language and things r being translated... the main reason being that their 'ancient tongue' doesn't line up with an ancient tongue that influenced english... (unless someone can tell me Lek means silver or something similar?)
i like the 'our scientists r perplexian' spec just cos its different
...for now i'm assuming that "common history" means that we followed a common path/development, rather than they're literally shared...
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:00 pm
yanka
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wintermute_au wrote:
...for now i'm assuming that "common history" means that we followed a common path/development, rather than they're literally shared...
Yeah, it seems that their history (PC history, I mean) goes roughly 38 centuries back (linky ), and the whole thing seems to sort of parallel the Greek timeline, though I am somewhat thrown by the dates.
What I find particularly intriguing is this: "The period from 700 to 0BC is now thought of as the beginning of the "modern" era, with rapid development in science and technology following a more industrial age." 900 years ago we were in the Dark Ages, and they were entering the industrial revolution! I have had this thought for a while that their Ionic period flourished and fueled further immediated progress (a la Sagan's hopes), as opposed to being stumped on, as happened here, but - again - the dates don't really seem to match. Hm. Very curious to see more on this...
Also, as far as names - I know there are plenty - here's one more I noticed: Professor Astrid Lindstrom . That kinda sounds like Astrid Lindgren... cool
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