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Buceph
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[SPEC] [GENERAL] Story Building: Deconstructing PPC Seeing as we are getting a lot of story around PPC at the moment I'd like to see the realities of such a city.
What are the problems you would see occurring in a very academic, learning based system. Also the day to day and harsh realities of it.
I would imagine there to be a very segregated arm of the population, the poor and homeless. In a world where solutions, and hard fact are so important those who are unsure would be left behind. Anyone who isn't seen to be a vital element, or someone who can't show relevant additions to a puzzle, gets left behind.
These are gut instincts and unsubstantiated opinion, but what do you see as the realities of a Perplec City style world?
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:08 pm
Salkunh
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I personally dont think there would be anyone within the city who cannot solve puzzles.
The academy website says that the locks on dorms in the academy change for you to solve, the tour guide says theres a restaurant where the entire menu is in riddles...to me this sounds like the kind of society where puzzles are second nature.
I think that Perplexians would be brought up with it from such an early age everyone could be good or at least capable of them. And if not Ceretin could always help
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:21 pm
GuyP
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I know this isn't necessarily the perfect thread for this, but it's the closest one and i'm loathe to start a new topic over a small observation.
Has anyone noticed that on the back of one of the cards, showing St Frederick's Station, there's a sign saying "Anthro Replication"? Seems interesting to me. Embarassingly I can't lock down a precise definition for the prefix anthro-, but I always thought it meant "man" as in "anthropology" being the study of humanity.
A less sinister definition is that it's a medical term for "joint" (like cardio- for the circulatory system) so it might be a place to nip down to and get yourself kitted out with some nice new knees, knucles and hips. Still a little odd to highlight it on a map, but maybe that's just me.
Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 12:39 am
Marrec
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I have a very cynical and sinister take on PPC. If everyone were so mentally capable as to solve various puzzles, then what is the backbone of the PPC economy? Do the regular laborers come from this pool of mentally capable people? I'm of the opinion that PPC is a city built on castes that are determined by the persons mental capacity. I don't have much evidence of this... or, any at all actually, but it seems to make sense.
If someone can't solve puzzles as well as someone else, they're given a menial task and paid very little for it, forcing them to live somehwere on the outskirts of the utopia like Perplex City.
The whole of the PPC economy interests me... their PLC is... what... twice the value of the Yen? Is this because of a saturation of the market...? I'm no economist, but I know enough to know that either the PLC is extremely devalued or their system is built on a much more sophisticated and otherwise more zero filled basis then ours. But I digress
Wait, I don't digress... I'm done. Actually I'm not done. Has anyone wondered, since we do have a shared history with the people of Perplex City, when the paths of our History diverted? Where exactly PPC is in relation to our world? They -seem- to speak english, but it's entierly possible they speak... I dunno, Japanese. To address the idea of our shared history, note that one of the flavors of Whipsmart Ice Cream is Rummy Descartes. So we can think that their history is at least similar with ours up until this point... or perhaps what they mean by 'Shared history' is that we have similar historical figures and events at times, but otherwise are completely different...
Okay, now I'm done.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 1:18 am
erekose
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If someone can't solve puzzles as well as someone else, they're given a menial task and paid very little for it, forcing them to live somehwere on the outskirts of the utopia like Perplex City
With perplex city's level of technology most menial tasks should be done with automation, raw materials would be imported. PPC's economy may be based on intellectual property and high tech goods meaning that they can have a very high GDP if they hold the rights to cetain items (Say, keys perhaps?). To answer the issues of puzzles and peoples ability at them, they can test practically any skill that a person has. Not only raw intellegence and knowledge but coordination, visual/spatial ability, timing etc... All abilities that people skilled in such non puzzle solving disciplines as sport or even stacking shelves would be proficient in. Of course their raw materials have to come from somewhere, so a network of semi-subservient city-states may exist to support PPCs ultra-high standard of living.
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either the PLC is extremely devalued or their system is built on a much more sophisticated and otherwise more zero filled basis then ours.
The leck seems to be originally based on a silver, rather than a gold standard, so the monetary value of the leck would be naturally less.
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note that one of the flavors of Whipsmart Ice Cream is Rummy Descartes.
One is also called Coffee Annan, an obvious reference to the head of the UN, There have been documented differences in our histories since greek
times, so they haven't diverged recently. This constant reference to people in our history but (so far) not in theirs is one of the great mysteries about their society.
and now I also, am done.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:58 am
PuzzledPineapple
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For the record, anthro- comes from the greek word anthropos meaning man. I don't remember it had any other meanings, but that doesn't mean that the prefix doesn't. Interestingly, they shouldn't have this since if we do have a shared history it doesn't appear to include the Greeks. Which kind of implies that the names on the map are all translated again. But anyway. Could just be a centre for IVF or something similar, maybe they just clone themselves to reproduce.
Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:22 am
kraed
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Going back to the whole history thing..
Well Violet had an english accent, and pretty much all their (known) contacts are in England, so I'm guessing Perplex City has some shared ancestry with England, and history would tie in with that too. If they split from us from anywhere, it'd probably be from around here.
Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:48 am
Buceph
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On the economy point: PPC seems to be recovering from a dip in their economy. This could be related to their loss of the cube. If you look back through the Sentinel it says that sales in small items have been increasing, but large durable goods are still suffering. This is indicitive of an economy recovering from a slump. People will wait until more prosperous times to buy the large expensive goods. This is because the replacement of older goods can often be postponed until better times. But the increase in sales of small goods shows a society trying to lighten up, and enjoy themselves.
But on the other aspect, I do feel there is an underside to PPC. Different social and working castes. Maybe it's my love of dystopian fiction but there seems to be nothing supporting the mental highs of the PPC society. There's also a possibility though that they are a high tech-nation trading technological developments with other, less mental nations.
But again, I will ask, how do you think a society like this would operate? Warts and all.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 9:34 am
chrome_halo
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Puzzles
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If someone can't solve puzzles as well as someone else, they're given a menial task and paid very little for it, forcing them to live somehwere on the outskirts of the utopia like Perplex City
Sounds a bit like our world to me!
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 5:35 pm
Marrec
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erekose wrote:
Of course their raw materials have to come from somewhere, so a network of semi-subservient city-states may exist to support PPCs ultra-high standard of living.
That's kind of what I'm suggesting in my original post... yet you made it sound much better. *heh*
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The leck seems to be originally based on a silver, rather than a gold standard, so the monetary value of the leck would be naturally less.
That seems makes sense... although, if their economic system were based on silver, then I don't see it being so drastically devalued compared to the American dollar or Euro. A system based on silver, added to an economic recession(sp?) might explain it... Like I said, I'm no economist, so...
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One is also called Coffee Annan, an obvious reference to the head of the UN, There have been documented differences in our histories since greek times, so they haven't diverged recently. This constant reference to people in our history but (so far) not in theirs is one of the great mysteries about their society.
*nod* I'm running with the theory that either: we share certain aspects of history, like the same people doing some of the same things at the same time... or they are using our history to name their Ice Cream, they are infatuated with all things earthian afterall.
I'm still trying to imagine how such a society, one as obsessed with puzzles and alternate realities as the Perplexians are, would run. I think the everyday lives of the students at the Academy can give us a sort of extreme view of how the regular people live. Not so extreme as having their locks change on the door every day, but still puzzle based. Hmm...
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:16 pm
Salkunh
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Marrec wrote:
if their economic system were based on silver
Tis definitely based on silver....says so in the Perplex City history part of the Museum section on the academy website
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:30 pm
Marrec
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Academy Website wrote:
The Mazy River could at one time be "panned" for silver and the much later silver mines under much of the city eventually became part of the extensive run of catacombs. The ancient word for silver - Lek - is still used, albeit in a modern spelling, to refer to our modern-day currency.
This is far from enough evidence to say that it's 'definatly' based on silver. It is entierly possible it's based on silver, but just because they use the word 'Leck' to name their currency today doesn't mean that its either made out of silver or based on silver exports/revenue. If we assume to connect Leck with silver, then someone might also assume to connect Pound with silver as the Pound refers to sterling silver.
Just thought I'd nitpick, for boredoms sake.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:45 pm
Salkunh
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meh close enough...knew i'd seen something about silver on there
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:50 pm
DogsHead
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Buceph wrote:
On the economy point: PPC seems to be recovering from a dip in their economy. This could be related to their loss of the cube.
I seem to remember (can't search - working) that a journo actually highlighted the fact that the slump followed directly the theft of the cube - I felt at the time that this was more back story to illustrate the importance of the cube across the whole strata of PXC society.
On the "temporal reality split" idea, it is possible that the two realities/dimensions were never one. The audio from the clip talks about divergence and somewhere else (too much information) there is a mention of hundreds of years (?) of observation of Earth. This may indicate only that they have been aware of us and the wierd similarities between our realities. I just think that if we had any "shared history" it would have to include mentions of established Religions. After all, prior to 1800AD it was pretty much the only motivator for just about everything.
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:13 am
Mima
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Religions As there has been mention of religion only in the context of the cube and nothing else, I wonder if something happened other than the cube that debunked religion (as far as they are concerned - don't mean to offend), and that was the time that the BC/AC split occured. If there was then a vacuum in belief prior to the cube, that would make far more sense of why the cube was "worshipped" as many people need some form of belief in their lives.
A switch from a god based belief back to (was originally the case on Earth too) an icon based belief.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:00 am
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