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bagsbee
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strife777 wrote:
Its the same as if someone wins a car in a contest, already has a new one, so sells it for cash.

Not the best analogy. People enter contests and go on game shows for the express purpose of winning cash and/or prizes. Presumably (note the emphasis) people don't play ARGs to win prizes and/or make money.

I don't buy the whole, "I signed up but now I don't have time to play" thing. I have a pretty finely-tuned BS-o-meter...then again, I also get a lot of false positives...

Personally, I say he can do what ever the heck he wants with it, it's his now, I just think it's bad karma....but that's just me.

Buceph: Relax, man. It's the society we live in - anytime there's money involved, people get a bit wonky. Unfiction is not immune to that, although we should really endeavor not to make it personal (or take it personal for that matter).

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titovasquez
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bagsbee wrote:
I don't buy the whole, "I signed up but now I don't have time to play" thing.


To be fair, I didn't say that I signed up with the intention of playing. I was having a nose round for work (one of my clients is about to get into gaming in a big way), signed up, forgot about it until I got my email last week, did the puzzle (it was insultingly easy) and the parcel arrived. Nothing sinister about it, I promise.

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hamatoyoshi
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Somebody should start taking bets on when this thread will devolve enough to be locked.

We're all in the game for different reasons and some of us have different ethical views on how various individual aspects of it should be played.

Nobody is going to convince anyone else who isn't of the same mind of the superiority of his or her own views. What it comes down to is that the activity is legal, whether one appreciates it or not, and it makes at least the seller and the buyer more satisfied with their in game experiences.

Maybe some sort of Gaming Ethics forum should open, especially because of the monetary factor in this game.

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NovacaineX
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I think this thread should be locked now so that it cannot be used as a precedent of advertising future ebay auctions (you know there will be plenty).

Yes, i know the starter of this thread is not the auctioner, but it doesn't matter, if this is allowed this forum will be flooded with them as soon as those cards go on sale.

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vibration13
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Yep. The fact is, there are thousands of people interested in this, and very few cards available. Most of the 333 havent actually got to thier destinations yet, and most of those that have would have owners who want to keep them. So those few that do make it onto the market are going to command a high price. But nobody needsto buy one. Only people with enough money (more money than sense by the looks of it) would go for it, but those that do are welcome. I'm happy to keep my parcel. But I dont think that one guy selling his is devaluing the game at all.
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hannah
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vibration13 wrote:
Only people with enough money (more money than sense by the looks of it) would go for it.

i resent that comment, my reasons for buying it are mine alone. but i'm saying nothing more on the topic.

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titovasquez
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I'll be honest - I thought there would be loads of them up for sale. I was quite shocked that it was the only one. And I'm even more shocked that it still is.

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strife777
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bagsbee wrote:
strife777 wrote:
Its the same as if someone wins a car in a contest, already has a new one, so sells it for cash.

Not the best analogy. People enter contests and go on game shows for the express purpose of winning cash and/or prizes.


Um, bags, this was a contest where people were trying to be one of the first 333 people to solve a puzzle (aka entering the contest) for the express purpose of getting a prize (the package). People WERE playing that portion of the game to get a prize.

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belga
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Look at the fact that they give us both limited edition cards AND sticker. Its pretty obvious that they want us to advertise the game using the stickers. As an incentive, they give use rare limited editions cards, so we have all advantage in making the game popular so that the demand for those cards increase (cf. the Black lotus card rate in Magic). Moreover, the back of some card says "trade the cards". I think that tito is right on with the spirit of a CCG. As long a there is peope to buy...
This is not the spirit of ARGs, but this game is not a traditional ARG. An I agree with Buceph. tito has the right to do what he wants with the package

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belga
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titovasquez wrote:
I'll be honest - I thought there would be loads of them up for sale. I was quite shocked that it was the only one. And I'm even more shocked that it still is.

I certainly intend to sell mine in the future if hte CCG part of the game takes off. The rate will probably soar so selling them now may be too early, and we still do not know what exactly this game is. If this a real ARG or a mere CCG ( probably a mix).
A long as there are people to buy, I see no reason for not selling. Even if it ruffles the feathers of ARG traditionalists. I was also in for a real ARG, and the PM changed it into something else. It their responsibility if money changes the rules
I also feel that this has nothing to do with the collaborative puzzle-solving philosophy of the ARGs. If I find the cube, I will obviously share with all the people who helped solve puzzle on this board.
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JebJoya
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Well, I say good luck to him, I'd be interested to see quite how high the bidding goes! The only thing that I have against the guy/gal is that (s)he gave that fake code. That makes them a @#~/?&4 ~+&£ in my book, since they gave it to the watchers of eBay in good faith... Okay, that just annoyed me a bit, maybe they're not that bad... Embarassed

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Rob_Riv
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£52.00 ... man I'm thinking, why not sell mine?? but I won't though.. I'm not like that
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Nogwater
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I think we should draw a line between selling memorabilia, and selling information that the community may need to play.

Selling of memorabilia doesn't do anyone any harm. If anything, maybe it'll bring a little attention to the ARG community.

Selling clues that were designed to be used cooperatively is entirely against the spirit of the game.

As long as tito is willing to give us the information we need for free, then I don't see where there's any harm being done.

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Rolerbe
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I don't have any problem with tito selling his package.
I don't have any problem with Hannah (or anyone else) paying up to their own level of personal value they have for the merchandise.

What I DO have a problem with is US continuing to provide opportunity for tito to fuel his auction fires with endless rebuttals, etc.

Let's just go quiet. Let the sale come and go. For the love of God, Montressor!
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invfish
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Another one here:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4596&item=8189818960&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

and yes I have already asked for the code, just awaiting a response =)

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