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[wild spec] is "Worry" Gunther?
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Manta
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 		[wild spec] is "Worry" Gunther?
I know this may seem VERY far-fetched. But it IS a possiblilty. Its just really random that this "Worry" guy has so much information. I mean, he had the video of Nisha, the audio file of Gunther being arrested (which could have been set up also) and this newspaper clipping. (umong many other things). Every single piece of "evidence" could have been faked SO eaisley. If you have some concrete evidence that refutes my idea, PLEASE tell me.
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 		Well... Worry was active while Gunter was still in prison, even taking pictures of posters in Atlanta.

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 		True, however, do we have concrete evidence that Gunter was in Prison? I mean, Worry is playing some SERIOUS mindgames with Ian and Nisha, it could be one if his goons though... just trying to throw them off.
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Manta wrote:
True, however, do we have concrete evidence that Gunter was in Prison? I mean, Worry is playing some SERIOUS mindgames with Ian and Nisha, it could be one if his goons though... just trying to throw them off.

Just newspaper clippings and a German police report.

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Astald wrote:
Manta wrote:
True, however, do we have concrete evidence that Gunter was in Prison? I mean, Worry is playing some SERIOUS mindgames with Ian and Nisha, it could be one if his goons though... just trying to throw them off.

Just newspaper clippings and a German police report.
Raspberry Well, that disproves my theory, but I still think Worry works for Gunter in some way
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Astald wrote:
Manta wrote:
True, however, do we have concrete evidence that Gunter was in Prison? I mean, Worry is playing some SERIOUS mindgames with Ian and Nisha, it could be one if his goons though... just trying to throw them off.

Just newspaper clippings and a German police report.

Hello,
I'm new to all this ARG-thing and am just browsing through old threads to get an overview. Do you mean http://iannet.lastresortretrieval.com/nisha/secret/mailinbox/Nachricht.jpg and http://iannet.lastresortretrieval.com/kramer/kramer.cgi?url=http://iannet.lastresortretrieval.com/nisha/000740.html&mode=nisha_entrypage ?
As I'm German, I nearly fell of my chair laughing when I saw the purported "police report" and "newspaper clipping" Laughing
The police report does contain so many mistakes yet uses spaces to split words in half, agains all rules of (German) grammar, that I think it might in fact be a puzzle. Have you noticed, how the spaces are so neatly aligned when you look at the page from top to down? Could be a puzzle. Or the numbers mentioned in the "report" contain some kind of information, who knows. Has anybody yet looked at that possibility, the police report as a puzzle?
The purported newspaper clipping (about the arrest, not the flight like the police report) consists of much better German, but there still are too many glaring mistakes and also inconsistencies (names that are not typically German, like Helik Kunderson, hotels that do not exist in or near Emden (Vindern, doesn't that remind us of the VIN car Wink ) etc.

So, is it possible that these documents contain yet more puzzles or are they simply used to enliven the story/ad campaign and the mistakes simply due to the fact that the author doesn't speak native German?
But I must say, the so-called "police report" intrigues me, as the errors (spaces splitting words in two parts etc.) are to numerous and regular, they might contain some kind of puzzle.

Who knows, and I must say that I find this kind of viral marketing for AUDI using an ARG highly innovative and interesting, I wish there were such ad campaigns here in Germany. But who knows, in a few years we might get such innovative campaigns here in Germany too.

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 		welcome
hello jlandgr. Very glad to have you. Just so you know, this game is really impressive and a great deal of fun to play. All the experienced ARGers here are really enjoying it as are the newer players. We will do whatever we can to help you get up to speed.

As for the police report being a puzzle. I have to admit, it never occured to me. I don't read German at all. If you see anything there, it could well be a puzzle. No reason to assume that it wouldn't be, other than the fact that most of the puzzles we have been getting either come from the Gunter SD cards or from Virgil. But we could have missed this puzzle.

It will be very helpful to have a German native playing this game. We were stuck on one puzzle, that I still don't quite understand, that was some kind of German riddle. Having someone with an insight into where Gunter may be getting his inspirations for puzzles will be great!
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jlandgr wrote:
Hello,
I'm new to all this ARG-thing and am just browsing through old threads to get an overview.

Well welcome then.

jlandgr wrote:
As I'm German, I nearly fell of my chair laughing when I saw the purported "police report" and "newspaper clipping" Laughing
The police report does contain so many mistakes yet uses spaces to split words in half, agains all rules of (German) grammar, that I think it might in fact be a puzzle. Have you noticed, how the spaces are so neatly aligned when you look at the page from top to down? Could be a puzzle.

It's nice to know we finally have someone German here who can give us a more accurate picture of the report and newspaper article.

But, I'm not entirely convinced that there is a puzzle in there for us for a few reasons. The first reason is that there isn't a logical explanation for one. If we take these as 'real' documents, the authors wouldn't be throwing in random puzzles for our amusment (if they were in the SD cards, it might be another story).

Secondly, I think most of the errors and mistakes can easily be traced to the fact that they were made by Americans. As I've never seen a German newspaper before, I had no idea that column justification (neatly aligned spaces in the middle of the article) was uncommon. Over here in the States, that style of layout is the norm, and no one thinks twice about it.

Thirdly, the rest of the inconsistencies can easily be subscribed to either a: not being an Emden local, b: not wanting to draw some poor unsuspecting hotel into this game, or c: just honest mistakes. These kind of things actually pop up in this and other ARGs all the time. The trick is learning what inconsistencies/mistakes are actually vital to the game, and which are just as a result of the nature of this type of interaction.

jlandgr wrote:
Who knows, and I must say that I find this kind of viral marketing for AUDI using an ARG highly innovative and interesting, I wish there were such ad campaigns here in Germany. But who knows, in a few years we might get such innovative campaigns here in Germany too.

ARGs are popping up all over nowadays. The chances are, you'll get one yet. Very Happy
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rowan72 wrote:

Secondly, I think most of the errors and mistakes can easily be traced to the fact that they were made by Americans. As I've never seen a German newspaper before, I had no idea that column justification (neatly aligned spaces in the middle of the article) was uncommon. Over here in the States, that style of layout is the norm, and no one thinks twice about it.


Hi,
first: thanks for the warm welcome to both of you!
Of course, I'm prepared to explain away quite a lot of inconsistencies by the fact that Americans made the document, unfamiliar with details of German life and procedures (e.g., you wouldn't call a policeman "officer" ("Offizier") as in America and so on, bizarre names like "Helik" (reminds me of a helicopter) Kunderson (more a Scandinavian, not a German name etc.).
That's not what drew my eye, and I'm also prepared to acknowledge that the fictious hotel "Vindern" was made up so as not to inconvenience "real" hotels, taking the "VIN", the vehicle identification number (of the Audi) that all this is about as the first letters. Or could that be a hint to Norway? There is a city "Vinderson" and "Kunderson" sounds Scandinavian. No, just kidding, I don't know.
And alignment is of course not unusual for newspaper articles, same as in the USA.
But the alignment in the police report made me wonder, as this alignment simply produces tons of mistakes, cutting words into two parts with a space and thus making the text look very strange to anybody who knows German.
For example:
Begin at "Zustaendig er Offizier" and notice the location of the space. The word should be "Zustaendiger", without a space splitting the word in two parts.
And if you look down the page, this space is nearly always in the same place and quite frequently cutting words in two parts, especially in the following cases:
"N ummer"
"Herkunfr evier" (word doesn't exist, but nevermind, I get the gist and there shouldn't be a space if this word existed)
"OberOffiz ier"
"Ober Revi er"
"zus taendiger"
"Ere ignis"
"t eilgenommen"
"Gegebenfa lls
"f estgenommen"
"nic ht"
"Be richt"

etc. , there are also these weird spaces in other places (and some of the words above are repeated (with wrong Grammar), I only listed them once) and this seems "a bit much (and regular)", even if one takes into account that no native speaker wrote this document.

So, especially the police report is weird, but it is difficult to see (if one treats this as a puzzle, and you're right, perhaps it isn't) what mistakes are pure bad luck/lacking skills and what mistakes might have been made intentionally. The fake newspaper might just be part of the storyline and doesn't contain quite so many glaring mistakes, but the "police report" is quite in another league, when one looks at mistakes ...

Just thought I'd mention this, but as long as there are "official" puzzles yet unsolved, it would probably be best to concentrate on these, yes.

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