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Myssfitz
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 		New Manuscript Page?
I got this in the mail today. I think I translated it correctly. I hope someone can figure out what we are supposed to use this for. I think it may be to help us solve the Trithemius page. It looks like 3 of the alphabets like Trithemius would have used.

See the attached file. You can zoom in to see the letters and the numbers and the detail (someone really took a lot of time on this. it's really pretty).

Here is what I think the translation is:

First Dream

within my dream nine ghosts
first wish wealth/power and prosperity/good fortune
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 		That's about what I got too:

The First Dream
Within my dream nine likenesses first solemnly vowed riches as well as good fortune.

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 		Using the dots (36 clusters of them) to place numbers in the grid above (with 36 squares in it), you can just about fill the square with all the corresponding numbers, but there is one too many dots compared to numbers. In chat, there's a spec that the last dot indicates a period - but that's simply spec.

the grid numbers, then, would be

4-15-6-11-5-24
42-1-21-10-2-01 (note the weirdness of that last "01". it bugs me)
52-51-62-3-22-20
41-7-47-13-42-11
21-1-41-31-4-10
8-11-15-31-58- .

What if the dots were simply a way of coloring the grid to give a msg?
No luck:

XOXOXO
OXOOXO
OOOXOO
OXOOOO
OXOOXO
XOOOOX

Where X is single dot and O is double
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 		Re: New Manuscript Page?
Myssfitz wrote:
I hope someone can figure out what we are supposed to use this for. I think it may be to help us solve the Trithemius page.


Nop, this is one of the new manuscript pages Dale sent out!!
It is suppossed that these pages will lead us to the nine stones, or to the
way to use them (see last mail from Dale)

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 		Re: New Manuscript Page?
Shelina wrote:
Myssfitz wrote:
I hope someone can figure out what we are supposed to use this for. I think it may be to help us solve the Trithemius page.


Nop, this is one of the new manuscript pages Dale sent out!!
It is suppossed that these pages will lead us to the nine stones, or to the
way to use them (see last mail from Dale)


Yup. I posted the page before I got Dale's new email. Thanks for the reminder Very Happy
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dmax wrote:

What if the dots were simply a way of coloring the grid to give a msg?
No luck:

XOXOXO
OXOOXO
OOOXOO
OXOOOO
OXOOXO
XOOOOX

Where X is single dot and O is double


Dmax, what about switching the X's and O's. Remember in the beginning of the game all the XX's in some words?
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 		New Page -- Vates
BoyOboy! I got the most beautiful manuscript page in the mail today! From my high school Latin, I remembered "Vates" meaning a seer but just to be sure I looked it up and found:

Vates: Strictly the word meant "seer" or "prophet"; perhaps because seers often gave their prophecies in meter and poets were thought to be inspired by the gods, it also came to signify "poet" or rather "bard."
http://www.iona.edu/latin/ovid/commentpoem1.html

bard: Unfortunately, I can find no English word entirely adequate to translate the Latin noun vates, which can mean "a seer, prophet, or diviner" or "an inspired singer, bard, or poet." Although "bard" can convey the notion of an exalted national poet–which is probably appropriate here–it does not generally imply the poet's connection to a muse or other source of divine inspiration.
http://www.psvdesign.com/Lat_notes.htm

I scanned three images: one of the whole page and two of the upper corners. Haven't a clue what the rest of the page means… Rolling Eyes
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 		For Sally's page, so far I have: (the one in italics make no sense)

1st box- Find
2nd box- fmax
3rd box- truth
4th box- rbwn
5th box- _ga_
6th box- lawia

And for the word at the bottom, it kind of looks like "dates" to me, which in Latin means:

dates
do dare dedi datum : to give, offer, convey, offer, donate, furnish.
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 		Are you sure that second one's not dmax?

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 		How did you get that, Myss?
If it is simple substitution, then you might be wrong 'cause there is a commonn symbol in boxes 1 and 2 and your translation hasn't it....
But of course I can be completely wrong Smile

BTW... have you noticed than boxes 3 and 6 have the same symbols, but
reversed in box 6?

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 		Ursulla, you could be right but…

http://www.deb-art.demon.co.uk/text5.gif
Compare V and D and notice the D has a serif at the bottom left while the letter on the page does not.

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Myssfitz wrote:
For Sally's page, so far I have: (the one in italics make no sense)

1st box- Find
2nd box- fmax
3rd box- truth
4th box- rbwn
5th box- _ga_
6th box- lawia

And for the word at the bottom, it kind of looks like "dates" to me, which in Latin means:

dates
do dare dedi datum : to give, offer, convey, offer, donate, furnish.



I got the same, except the second box - fmap.??? Not sure what the straight lines would be.

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 		I think Shelina is right. The first word would be FINA. If it were a "D" then the box would have a dot in it, wouldn't it?

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 		I too just got a page! I doesn't look like a puzzle, but I'm putting it here just incase it ties into one of the other pages. If not could someone move it to the appropriate place. Thanks
I had to use my digital camera since I don't have a scanner yet. I got the page that has the black border from the missing manuscript site. It is very pretty and I agree with Sally alot of work went into these pages.

http://www.missingmanuscript.com/picturepage14.html

Below is the text. I'm not quite sure about the translation. I hope someone can clean it up abit.

Optatio Venatio
(Wish in Action

Res a fabula of alius universitas,
(Res a fable/tale of another universe/university)
non promptus etiamnunc totus inter,
(not ready/prepared until now/yet complete/whole among/around)
quod populus quod creatura
(and/where as the people and creature/servant)
ut permoveo inter
when to excite/agitate/move among/around


Ut orator per Optatio
(When speaker/spokesman very wish)
sulum fabula a diversus lingua
(each fable/tale a different language/tongue)

Votum Verto Viscus
(Prayer/Wish Turn/transform Heart/Internal Organs)
Viscus Verto Silicis
(Heart/Internal Organs Turn/transform Stone)
Novem In Numerus
Nine upon/In Total)
Porta Ur Verum
Carry/Gate Ur Truth)
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 		Translation issues
Myssfitz wrote:
For Sally's page, so far I have: (the one in italics make no sense)

1st box- Find
2nd box- fmax
3rd box- truth
4th box- rbwn
5th box- _ga_
6th box- lawia

And for the word at the bottom, it kind of looks like "dates" to me, which in Latin means:

dates
do dare dedi datum : to give, offer, convey, offer, donate, furnish.



I have to disagree with a few things.

The code in the first box appears to translate to fiha, not find. I say that because there is no dot in the symbol for the h, and all the other ones with dots appear to represent the second letter choice. True, there are no dots in either choice, but I think it was left off the key because there was simply no room. I also believe the last letter is an a, not a d for the same reason.

The second box I've translated as fmap. The last symbol seems to correspond with the p in the center of the key moreso than it does with the x in the opposite key because it has a box around it.

I believe you've translated the rest as they were intended.

I know we all want the words to make sense in English, but the only one that I think is supposed to is "truth", which is in the center. I think there's more to the letters in the other boxes. Now if I could just figure out what...

I'm thinking that the letters (besides the ones in truth) may need to be combined in a certain way (which may account for the two non-translatable symbols in the fifth box). Their positioning within the boxes may be important.

I also have to disagree with your interpretation of Vates as dates. I think the Latin Vates is correct.

Dia
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