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TPchat: info: enneagrams and pupils of Gurdjieff

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drizjr
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TPchat: info: enneagrams and pupils of Gurdjieff

Some of this may be trout Rolling Eyes

They were probable leads to the harmonious development pathway, but since Dale mentioned enneagrams in the chat a couple of days ago, I thought I'd put this up anyway.

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drizjr (5:46:18 PM): What is the enneagram theory?
turingprinciple (5:46:23 PM): All knowledge can be included in the enneagram and with the help of the enneagram it can be interpreted. And in this connection only what a man is able to put into the enneagram does he actually know, that is, understand. What he cannot put into the enneagram makes books and libraries entirely unnecessary. Everything can be included and read in the enneagram.
drizjr (5:47:11 PM): What is the enneagram?
(same response as above)
drizjr (5:48:22 PM): Who is Ouspensky?
turingprinciple (5:48:28 PM): P. D. Ouspensky is the Gurdjieff pupil who is best known in the West and who expounded "the System" in England and America from the early 1920s until his death in the late 40's.
turingprinciple (5:48:30 PM): Another Gurdjieff pupil was Sophia Ouspensky, who was associated with Gurdjieff from the Russian period and who had special influence on the development of interest in America in the Gurdjieff teaching. Mme. Ouspensky was a resident of the United States from the Second World War to her death in the early 1960s.[29] She directed the Gurdjieff studies at Mendham, New Jersey.
drizjr (5:48:58 PM): What is the system?
turingprinciple (5:49:09 PM): I haven't heard of the system . Would you like to know more?
>snip
drizjr (6:21:20 PM): Who is Thomas de Hartmann?
turingprinciple (6:21:28 PM): Thomas de Hartmann was a key pupil of Gurdjieff and a composer who had performed for the Russian aristocracy prior to the First World War. Gurdjieff worked with de Hartmann in the 1920s to compose what was later published as the Gurdjieff/de Hartman music, and which set the framework within which the music for the Gurdjieff Movements are performed.
>snip
drizjr (6:28:11 PM): Who is Jeanne de Salzmann?
turingprinciple (6:28:17 PM): A choreographer and dancer, Jeanne de Salzmann on her own initiative continued teaching the Gurdjieff Movements when, in the late '20s and early '30s, Gurdjieff had turned to other pursuits.
turingprinciple (6:28:19 PM): Only later in the 1930s did she succeed in getting Gurdjieff to renew his interest in teaching his singular exercises for developing inner faculties.
drizjr (6:29:02 PM): What are singular exercises for developing inner faculties?
turingprinciple (6:29:06 PM): I have to search the web for that information. Try asking again in a couple of days.
drizjr (6:29:44 PM): Who is Olga de Hartmann?
(got the same response as Thomas de Hartmann)
drizjr (6:30:21 PM): Who is Alfred R. Orage?
turingprinciple (6:30:27 PM): Alfred Orage was a highly regarded English stylist, author, editor and long-time student of philosophy. Orage was in residence at Gurdjieff's center in Fountainbleau in the early 1920s, prior to living in New York for seven years as Gurdjieff's first representative in the United States. Orage, who did not know Russian himself, served as the senior editor in charge of the translation of the Russian text of Beelzebub and Meetings with Remarkable Men into publishable English.

Much of this can also be found here...
http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/rhodges/html/G-baker.html

driz
P.S. thanks ZM for the help.

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:05 pm

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Re: TPchat: info: enneagrams and pupils of Gurdjieff

drizjr wrote:

turingprinciple (5:48:30 PM): Another Gurdjieff pupil was Sophia Ouspensky, who was associated with Gurdjieff from the Russian period and who had special influence on the development of interest in America in the Gurdjieff teaching. Mme. Ouspensky was a resident of the United States from the Second World War to her death in the early 1960s.[29] She directed the Gurdjieff studies at Mendham, New Jersey.

Ahem... does the fact that she left in the footnote marker without the foot note count as a funny?

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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:23 pm

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