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The Revolution is Coming
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SuperJerms
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astrovanman wrote:
Well, I have just watched the Nintendo press conference and let me just say they are so screwed.


Not necessarily. What if they gave away their old catalogue for free, or did a subscription service for unlimited access to the catalogue (I'm thinking nes, gameboy, gameboy color, famicom, SNES, n64). What if they made those old-schoolers able to be played multiplayer online?

Think of it. Nintendo makes squat off of those old, unsellable properties. PC Emulators can more than handle the oldest systems. I would gladly pay $400 for a revolution if it meant free access to all those old games plus gamecube and revolution compatibility (no question about it!). They'd have nothing to lose giving those away, and a HUGE advantage over any other system.

Of course it won't happen, but that would demolish the competition.
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My thinking on the Revolution is that they're trying to be the second next-gen console that people buy. (Not that they'd ever admit to it). The hardware is less advanced, and hence can be cheaper than the others (remember that big boost in sales that the gamecube got when they dropped the price to $99 - the people buying already had an xbox or a ps2 or both). And they made a point of how emphasizing how much cheaper it would be to develop for it than the other next-gen consoles, making it more viable for smaller developers working on riskier, more innovative games. Why buy a ps3 and a 360 when most games are going to be on both of them, when you could get a ps3 and a Revolution, save $200, and get access to all sorts of unique games (and the next zelda, mario, metroid, etc.) as well as the nintendo library going back 20 years? I also think that's part of the reason they're making sure it's so small - so it'll fit comfortably next to/on top of the console that you have.

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SuperJerms wrote:
Think of it. Nintendo makes squat off of those old, unsellable properties. PC Emulators can more than handle the oldest systems. I would gladly pay $400 for a revolution if it meant free access to all those old games plus gamecube and revolution compatibility (no question about it!). They'd have nothing to lose giving those away, and a HUGE advantage over any other system.

Of course it won't happen, but that would demolish the competition.


On some level, I have to agree. All us older gamers would grab that sucker and run if the back catelogue was free. The younger generation (christ, I never thought I'd hear myself say that) probably wouldn't care. Even if it's a buck a game or something... that'd still rock.

Of course, they'd need third party support for that. Only nintendo's games wouldn't be nearly as big a draw. But if they get, say, Square on board, and you can get ChronoTrigger and FF2/4 and FF3/6 on there, then I bet a LOT of people would get it. Especailly since the PS port of FF3/6 isn't so hot *grumble grumble bitch moan whine*.

Although even if it was only the mario/zelda/metroid games, that'd still be worth thinking about. And it'd definitely give them a head start on the competition. Granted, the PS3 will still play PS1 games, but being able to down load them... that makes it a little easier to get the games you want.
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I will say this:

Nintendo is not stupid, and realizes that one can go to GameStop and buy the NES cartridge of Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt for a penny.

I think the old games will be free, if not very minimal cost.
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fugitivesoldier wrote:
I will say this:

Nintendo is not stupid, and realizes that one can go to GameStop and buy the NES cartridge of Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt for a penny.

I think the old games will be free, if not very minimal cost.


Ah yes, but that requires:

1) Having an old NES system that still works, and is hooked up
2) Being able to FIND said SMB/DH cartridge for a penny

It's all about accessability. If they can provide me SMB without me having to have a NES system and without me having to go hunt down an old cartridge (that may or may not work), that's worth a bit of money. How much? Well, we'll see if they figure that out correctly.

However, I don't think it'll be free. $1? Maybe. $5? Possibly. $50 for unlimited downloads? Well, maybe for a year or something...

After all, the rereleases of the old classics on the GBA were $20 (I think). If they can get away with charging that much for them on the GBA, why not on the revolution?
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Right. Nintendo is not stupid.

Old man INCyr is right too, though...third party titles could be locked up because of copyright or emulation issues nobody would want to deal with over an expired game.

Surely some of the NES devs went the way of the buffalo, and copyright is still active on those puppies well into 2085 thanks to the Mickey Mouse Protection Act Razz


I also think the inexpensive angle will win a lot of next gen development, and not just with smaller companies. Why would EA want to pay ten times as much to make a shoddy port of the latest movie or fighter clone? The "good enough" mentality has ruined plenty of games, and Nintendo will win a lot of "good enough" games because of their lower costs. 'Course that is as much a problem as an answer, but you could still make some mighty pretty games on the Revolution's hardware.
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That then leaves the next question. How is Nintendo gonna make a controller that closely emulates all of the prior controllers? I had lots of trouble getting used to the new scheme when I bought the Zelda Collection for Gamecube. The cube controller just didn't have the same feel as the N64 controller.

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fugitivesoldier wrote:
I will say this:

Nintendo is not stupid, and realizes that one can go to GameStop and buy the NES cartridge of Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt for a penny.

I think the old games will be free, if not very minimal cost.


On a side note, how cool would a next gen Duck Hunt title be?

OK, it'd probably suck. But in my mind its perfect.
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i agree...it is sad to watch, but i guess karma's a b!tch...however, nintendo is NEVER gonna die, because THE RETARDED JAPANESE MARKET (no offence to any japanese unfictioners we have) WHO PLAY NOTHING UNLES IT COMES IN TECHNO COLORS OR SIMULATES TAKING PARENTAL CARE OF ANIMALS RANGING FROM DOGS TO A BEAST WITH THREE EYES, BUT HAS A HEART OF GOLD, BUY EVERYTHING NINTENDO HAS TO OFFER! THEY BAUGHT VIRTUAL BOY FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD!! the gamecube sold overthere because it was cute, and thats why nintendo won't die...because they market "cute" to a science. beign a proud PSP and former DS owner, i must say there is nothing more i want then to see than the gameboy go down...I'M TIRED OF ALL 30,879,887 INCARNATIONS OF IT!.....and thats my 2 cents...
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thunderclap8 wrote:
fugitivesoldier wrote:
I will say this:

Nintendo is not stupid, and realizes that one can go to GameStop and buy the NES cartridge of Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt for a penny.

I think the old games will be free, if not very minimal cost.


On a side note, how cool would a next gen Duck Hunt title be?

OK, it'd probably suck. But in my mind its perfect.


DUCK HUNT ONLINE OMG
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Duck hunt online!?!?! Shocked Silly I think I need clean pants...
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Nintendo is the only console-maker turning a profit on console sales.

Nintendo's Revolution is likely going to cost about half as much as the upwards-of-US$350 (as much as $450 for the PS3, I've read) competition.

Nintendo has 20 years of backwards compatibility. You don't have to've grown up on the original Zelda or Mario to see the value in that.

Everything they release for the Cube between now and next summer is also, by default, being released for the Revolution.

Nintendo is not stupid. They've been making games of one sort or the other for over a century and have billions in the bank.

Whatever you think of the Revolution, or however poorly the Revolution might do, Nintendo is still raking in the cash with the Gameboy line. Being third in console sales is a farcry from being bankrupt.

Nintendo announced a few months ago they would be expanding into movie production.

Nintendo never plays to the E3 crowd. They reserve their spectacle for SpaceWorld, where they are in the spotlight. You think their E3 showing will have any bearing at all on sales when the finished Revolution, with its controller and launch lineups and whatnot, actually hit the stores in a year? Please.

Just because Nintendo isn't dedicated to keeping you fully satisfied does not mean they aren't making millions of people happy. You are not the only demographic, get over yourself.

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I'm not sure what you guys mean when you say you're an old-school gamer. I've been a gamer as long as I can remember ... I played almost all consoles. I took a break during the PS era, because I was a PC gamer most of that time ... My point is that I don't think I'd be much interested on playing old games. Maybe once or twice, but I think my interest will vanish in less than a day ... Am I alone on this?
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Apparently there is a massive conspiracy theory about this.

No one is saying the Nintendo ON video is 100% factual, but there appears to be more to everything.

They are calling the mystery the N-Game:

Lots of info on the blog here: http://mozlapunk.web-log.nl/

The music from this video, which I love, I have uploaded. Enjoy!
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The Nintendo On video is not for an actual console. Hasn't this already been exposed, just about everywhere? The guy who made it did so as commentary on the upgrade-cycle and short lifespan of consoles, and Nintendo's solo role in experimenting and innovating.

See:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/15/news_6124668.html
http://cube.ign.com/articles/613/613578p1.html
http://www.cubehacker.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=362

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