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[SOLVED] Quirky Acuity - Sayings of Gyvann
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fuegomanchego
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maybe. still not impressed though. and as for jughead.........
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:30 am
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dusty2229
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I don't believe Archer IS the answer.
If it is anything along there lines then it should be Archers associative word. Non of the other words in the list are the star signs themselves but their associative word.

If the answer is Archer then the whole puzzle is ill conceived and very amaturish and puts me in two minds whether to continue with this whole PC thing at all if this is their level of gameplay

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akama
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I've emailed this to Violet, and as yet no reply. I'm not fussed on the plural...

code: recedas

flyR (flier)
lengthE (lengthy)
eyeC (icy)
shakeE (shakey)
faceD
headA (header)
workS

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Violet
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dusty2229 wrote:
If the answer is Archer then the whole puzzle is ill conceived and very amaturish and puts me in two minds whether to continue with this whole PC thing at all if this is their level of gameplay

I agree, if this is the answer, and therefore the standard of the puzzles we're going to get in the game, then I'm seriously contemplating giving in. Nobody say "give it time" because I have - loads!

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wintermute_au
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just for the sake of completion, i sent her the email

my argument (which she didnt bother reprinting) was that the words represented the signs, therefore the missing sign was what mattered -- not that the words could magically fit together to make new words, cos clearly they can't.... They 'represent' the signs either by word-association or appropriate images (eg, a spider as a hard worker)

admittedly a little weird, and i'm not really satisfied with violet's "oh i don't read the futures"

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Could it be a plot device? Maybe their planning on killing Violet off when she goes to the Recon camp, and just picked one of our slightly more plausible (but still wrong) answers. Maybe there is no right answer, and it's just a way to get us more involved by making us feel responsible for her soon-to-happen death...
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Mikeyj
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I think that it's more likely that we'll get a load of sarcasm from Scarlett and then another puzzle. She strikes me as someone who won't pass-up the opportunity to take pot-shots!

I too am still being a doubting Thomas about the whole spiderwork thing (sorry Smile ). The others do all fit nicely, whether they're in the dictionary or not, they're all recognisable as in common usage. Spiderwork just doesn't. If you were designing the puzzle in this way web, or silk would be much better. This goes for either Archer or Fish as the answer. Although if either of these was the answer then it would have to be Fish as with Archer there is nothing missing.

It is, out of the suggestions we have, the answer that uses the most of the puzzle, and therefore seems to me the best so far...dammit.

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Leeravitz
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Yeah, right. I'm about as convinced that this code is cracked as somebody who's not very convinced at all. 'Spiderwork' is nonsense, and 'Jughead' is as well - when was the last time you ever used such a word in English conversation?? Surely, if the puzzle is meant to be fairly simple, we shouldn't even having to be rushing to the Dictionary to discover whether or not the words exist - THEY ARE BLATANTLY NOT COMMON USAGE!!!

True, it could just be that we have been set a throughly pathetic puzzle - but I, for one, would like to give our hosts a little more credit than that. On occassion, up to now, they have shown some real invention and brilliance - I would dearly love the answer to 'Master of Secrets', for instance, to turn out to be 'Sir Alan Gardiner' because it is, not to put too fine a point on it, bloody clever (and, as such, was well worth the effort that it took to decipher...).

So, I think Violet's clutching at straws as much as we are...

The lack of meaningful sequence here is striking as well. What does this obviously have to do with Reconstructionist belief? I don't buy it. You know, if somebody was bending over backwards to make the code word 'belief' or 'faith' or 'the Cube' then it makes more sense. But a forced answer isn't an answer, same as an incomplete answer is an incomplete answer...


But I'd rather be annoyed because a genuinely good puzzle was stumping me, than because some half - baked solution was deemed acceptable...

Perplexians are meant to be *geniuses* at this kind of thing - surely they'd put a bit more care into their work?
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BrianEnigma
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Leeravitz wrote:
'Spiderwork' is nonsense, and 'Jughead' is as well - when was the last time you ever used such a word in English conversation?? Surely, if the puzzle is meant to be fairly simple, we shouldn't even having to be rushing to the Dictionary to discover whether or not the words exist - THEY ARE BLATANTLY NOT COMMON USAGE!!!

While spiderwork is probably made up, jughead is a fairly common word in the US. Sometimes it is used to refer to someone in the Marines, Army, etc. Sometimes it is used to refer to someone who is not terribly bright. Sometimes it is used to mean both. Having friends that do computer work for the Navy, I hear the term being thrown around all the time.

Spiderwork...yeah, I'm just as pissed off as you about that non-word.
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Violet
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Lovely, but it's still not a great sounding solution. It just doesn't sit right. It feels as thought the solution was picked as the most convoluted from a list of possibles, rather than being written from the start

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nichtwahr
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I think the reason the PMs used 'work' instead of say, 'web', was to make the puzzle a little more challenging. About the only word that connects to 'web' is 'spider', and there aren't too many mentions of those in the PPC-world.
That said, 'spiderwork' is a real world, albeit an archaic one. Ever seen a smashed windshield that's still held together? It's got a spiderwork of lines covering it.

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Violet
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again, lovely, but if we wanted challenging it would be vaguely plausable challenging. Can you tell I'm frustrated because half term is over?!

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fuegomanchego
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I think that, despite our misgivings, archer must be right. It does make sense and it got Violet's thumbs-up. Congrats to Peter Howard and all those who were on the right track - job well done in not-ideal circumstances. I think we might have been too busy tearing the puzzle apart to say this yet.....
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According to Violet's Phone number "y" isn't vowel.

This puzzle is weird. I agree that "eye" goes better with "Eagle" than it does with "Archer," but it goes with the latter better than "Spider" and "work" go together (in my language).

Perhaps "spider-work" is common in another language - in fact I would assume as much considering how much spiders work.

Regardless, I matched up "eye" with either Archer or Eagle and noticed that only 7 signs of the 12 were mentioned - it left out an exact season, Autumn. I emailed V. and she auto-responded.

Gyvann and Bianca, interesting that they have the same number of letters.

On the Recon compound, when you type in the wrong answer, I wonder if the key-room *blows up* - or if everyone around you just laughs because you're stupid.

Oh, and on a 70's American cartoon The Archies there was a famous character named Jughead, Much like Shaggy (Scooby-Doo) only with black hair and no sidekick or dog. There was also a band called the Jugheads that seemed to have a gig every episode. You know the type.
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Okay, for the sake of argument, lets say that Spiderwork and Jughead are actually valid words and that they really couldn't think of better suffixes to fit for either spider or jug. I still don't understand why the answer would be Archer?

We are meant to be looking for the missing word that completes the series, right? Well the series of words given are those which are suffixes of words from the Futures. However, Archer *is* the word from the Futures, not the suffix. Therefore the correct answer would have to be something that is a suffix of Archer, for example 'Fish'.

So, as with the whole Spiderwork / Jughead thing, the fact that Violet says that Archer is the right answer suggest to me one of two things:

a) Archer is NOT the right answer, and Violet once attempting to input it into the keypad will be captured by the recons and tortured for being so stupid (deservedly so, in my opinion), or
b) The person who wrote this riddle is an idiot, and they should be sacked from Mind Candy immediately for wasting everyones time Twisted Evil

Aah....i'm glad i got that off my chest
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